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  • MistermtdMistermtd Steinhatchee Posts: 76 Greenhorn
    I'm having trouble finding good info on Seattle Fly fishing so thanks for that mtd. I'm trying to see if Id be able to bike to any of the wadeable areas. Do I have worthwhile options within 20 miles of downtown?

    Ok - well now you've got your work cut out for you a bit. King Cty Wa has 1.9m people in it and a LOT less steelhead. If that's your mode of transportation then you want to orient yourself to one of two watersheds (my opinion, which when combined with $2 is worth $2). They are the Skykomish or the Snoqualmie. These are the larger rivers bracketing the Seattle area. If your DOWNTOWN Seattle then you'd take a bus (pretty good public transit as that goes) as far as you could and then spin the rest of the way. My son is plugged into the bike messenger community there so he can give you all the beta on how to get around.

    As a for instance - the section of the Snoqualmie just below the falls would be wadable for about 1/2 mile. After that there are deeper pools so then you'd need to know where you can wade and where you couldn't. I always observed people fishing the holes RIGHT at the powerhouse outlet, (and not that frequently) though WW boating schedules and fishing schedules don't exactly coincide. I was mostly there during the summer and generally after work. Downtown to the falls is 28 miles. You could ride the bus to Fall City (about an hour), which puts you 4 miles from the falls, then an easy ride from there to the falls. Doable - though certainly not optimal. I doubt there are salmon above the falls but maybe there's a fish ladder I'm not aware of. Certainly there is fishing below this section, but I'm not familiar with that part of the river since it holds no interest for the WW boater. You do see driftboats putting in at the base of this section and running down from there - so there is some fishing done on the lower parts.

    Similar exploits might be done on the Sky, though I'd just go live in Monroe - lots of people/jobs/etc.

    Anyway - those two rivers will both have multiple sections to fish, though it will be work to reach wadable water (remember all those 1.9m people gotta live somewhere) If you were headed there and FISHING was the objective then you'd probably do better to live closer to the water and head to Seattle when you wanted to be there. As pointed out by TD, the Peninsula has better fishing, LOTS less people (fewer jobs - in case that matters) and in ALL cases having a drift boat or paddle raft is a better way to get around though I'm pretty sure that will nix the bike plan, though that bike will be very handy for shuttles.

    Not sure how your gonna haul the wade gear. Washington rivers are uhhhhh, "refreshing" most of the year and you won't get much wet wading done. In 10 years of whitewater boating I probably didn't get into a river in Western Washingotn once between October 1 and July 1 without full on dry suit.


    As to fishing intel there are plenty of books (I have a few at home and will post titles when I get there) and there are a few shops around. The shops I've been in were always helpful but I was just buying yak fuz to tie with or books. (Started visiting those shops after I moved away.) Steelies are scarce beasts so TD is right that you're going to have to work to "join the community". Salmon are a bit more successful of a fish, so you'll probably spend a bit more time bending a rod with them.

    Have fun deciding!!!
  • MistermtdMistermtd Steinhatchee Posts: 76 Greenhorn
    As an adendum to my last post, I found this link - which I think is an accurate description of chasing Steelies/Unicorns. And who wouldn't wanna go chase a Unicorn.....

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  • DowntownNashDowntownNash Posts: 182 Officer
    Some great info there. I'm going to go check out that link right now and spend some time on Google Maps to see if I can familiarize myself with some of the rivers you're talking about.

    I would love to be in a decent size city, where I could find plenty of jobs, and be able to go just outside of the city and get lost fishing.
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  • td.td. Posts: 4,695 Captain
    Lol, I couldn't even tell you how may days I spent on the Sky and the Snoq. I've bagged steelies, silvers, kings, pinks and chums between those two rivers, along with sea run cutts. Monroe is out a ways but good access to the Sky. East side of Redmond gives you good access to Fall City, a good location to start at for the Snoq. Also caught kings, silvers (lots) and sockeye (lots) right in Lake Washington, but again, you need a friend with a boat and knowledge for that. Fun place, I'll be there in a week for a short visit.

    Join this forum and get to talking to folks via IM. Most won't post too much for locations other than popular runs that everyone knows about.

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  • Carl BlackledgeCarl Blackledge Posts: 674 Officer
    here is my favorite place...1/3 the price of the keys, 10 times more fun.

    Hey Gang,
    I just returned from my annual 3-½ week fishing trip to Loreto, Mexico. Every year seems a lot different than the year before, and this year was no exception. This was a great year for Dorado, and we had tons of them - mostly on the smaller side. We did nail some big ones, though, right at the start of the trip. My largest Dorado was a hair over 40 pounds, and I also caught another dozen or so in the high 30-pound bracket, verified on my Boga Grip. My fishing partners and I landed Dorado, Roosters, Jack Crevalle, Sailfish, Skipjacks and Ladyfish on cast Crease flies. I also caught a few Sailfish while trolling around searching for Dorado.
    The first few days we wanted to go out and just look around, since my guide hadn't been out Dorado fishing at all that year (because he was so busy Yellowtail fishing), so we started off trolling the big pink Chicken fly. That didn't last but a few hundred yards until we had fish on. We would bring that trolled up fish next to the boat, and throw live sardines to the other Dorado following the hooked fish. It was on! I would cast out and hook a large Dorado, and my buddy would land the other hooked fish, and he would cast out and hook another big boy, etc. On one of these special double hook-ups, my fishing partner and I both were hooked to large Dorado next to a Sargasso patch. These particular fish we had hooked on cast Crease flies, when all of a sudden an even bigger Dorado came up to play, so I handed my rod to the captain and immediately cast to the new guy and hooked him, too. At about that time my buddy lost his fish (the smaller one), so the captain handed him my other rod with the hooked fish. After we landed both of these fish they weighed in at 37 and 39 pounds respectively,
    During these first few days, if there wasn't any Sargasso we trolled, and if there were lots of Sargasso paddies, we just went from paddy to paddy throwing sardines. On one of those early mornings we were trolling a fly searching for Dorado when a smaller Sailfish (around 50-60 pounds) nailed my pink Chicken trolling fly, so I proceeded to land that fish. As soon as I landed that Sailfish, within the next 30 minutes I hooked two more, but didn't land either one. By the end of that day I must have spotted at least 20 more Sailfish with no more takers. Those were the last Sailfish we were to see for at least a week. As time went on, we trolled less and less due to the fact that more and more Sargasso floated in. Now we just went cruising around looking under the grass paddies to find Dorado hanging out. The water temperature was rising very rapidly every day, which is probably why most of the Sailfish left. It also seemed like the Dorado and the Sargasso were getting more plentiful each day, but the Dorado also seemed to be getting a lot smaller on average. Don't misunderstand me - Dorado are Dorado, however I'm one of those guys that loves to catch the bigger bulls. So the rest of our trip was mostly looking around and searching the numerous Sargasso paddies for Dorado. When we found them, we would catch every one that would bite. We also had doubles on constantly and when that happened, we would go look for another patch, while keeping an eye out for Sailfish.
    On a couple of our days heading in we spotted a large group of feeding Jack Crevalle busting water, maybe 5 miles from shore in front of the Oasis Hotel. We threw a few sardines at them and they went crazy. We cast the silver DIY Crease flies at them, and they ate them with reckless abandon as Jacks usually do, and the rest was easy. By the time we landed our first two fish the rest of the pack had vanished, and a few days later the same scenario repeated itself with the same results.
    On another occasion I was hooked up to a rather large Dorado right next to a patch of Sargasso, when all of a sudden my guide started shouting, “Sailfish, Sailfish!“ I looked over my shoulder and maybe 75 feet away, a good sized Sailfish was swimming around a Sargasso patch with his sail up. I screamed at my boat partner that if he wanted to cast at that fish, I would back off the drag and the guide could get the boat closer for a shot at him. There was lots of confusion in the heat of that moment, and, long story short, the sailfish remained unscathed, and swam off happy. It was a great sight, and very exciting. It’s hard to believe that almost the exact same thing happened again a few days later, with the same results. I have never seen the Sailfish herding bait around a Sargasso patch like that before.
    One day when my fishing partner decided to take a rest, my guide and I went out and were just about at the fishing grounds we had planned on fishing when he spotted some activity in the water. On further investigation we saw Dorado, and lots of Dorado, with some big boys in the mix. I cast out and hooked up almost immediately with a Crease fly. After I landed that beauty and then another 5-6-7 nice sized fish, I looked around and about 10 other boats had shown up and were crowding in on us, with lots more on the way. I told my guide, “Let’s go and find a new spot.” He agreed. I sat down and we left, and within a minute or two he stopped the boat real fast, and loudly announced he found Sailfish. I grabbed my other12-wt. Sage rod with a fresh leader and Crease fly already attached. The Sailfish was maybe 30 feet from me, and the guide threw a sardine to the Sailfish, and the Sailfish ate it immediately. So I cast my fly and he ate it, too, and before I set the hook, the fly just fell out of his mouth. My guide threw another sardine, and the Sailfish ate it, too, so I cast again. This time the fish was swimming away from me slowly, and my fly landed right in front of him; he ate my fly again and continued to swim away slowly. I just leaned back and broke his neck, with a very hard hook set, and I had a great angle this time to bury the hook. Well, needless to say that really made him mad and he kicked in the afterburner and left Dodge in a hurry! What a sight to have a Sailfish so close to you, then watch the fastest fish in the ocean scream away. I have landed quite a few hot Sailfish, but this one takes the prize for stripping my backing off, and this same fish must have jumped at least 20 times, and after landing him, and looking him over, he was released unharmed. What a beauty!
    My guide was slapping me on the back, and I was trying to drink some water when he turned and yelled, “SAILFISH” and started pointing again at another spot maybe 30 feet away. I cast the same fly, with the same beat up leader that I just landed the last Sailfish with, when I realized with frustration that I was standing on the line. As I was looking down and removing my feet from the line, I felt a tug on it. This new fish had already eaten my fly and was starting to swim away, and about the time I realized it, I struck hard, I mean real hard, and that pathetic, beat-up leader wasn't up to the task, and failed. All I got out of the second Sailfish was a big splash and one jump. But I didn't care because I still got the best of both those fish. I sat down and finished my water with a big smile and a great tale to remember. That night I took my guide to La Mission for pizza and beer.
    During my trip, I had lots of opportunities to go fish for Roosters. First off I will report that my partner and I, plus a few other boats that I know of, went to the same haunts that produced big Roosters last year, but this time with zero results. We couldn't find any big boys at all, and I didn't hear of anybody catching anything over about 12-15 pounds. I found numerous places that held the smaller Roosters. We also went to the regular hangouts - places like San Bruno beach, and Escondido Harbor entrance. Our friend who was staying next door to us told me when they were finished for the day, they dumped all their sardines overboard, and all of a sudden the Roosters were everywhere, streaking through the water eating the discarded sardines. This happened right at the entrance to Loreto Bay harbor, under that giant half-mooned rock, so we went by there the next day on our way home and looked around. We found plenty of little Roosters to catch, and to our surprise we also found a few dozen Dorado hanging out, and the Dorado were good-sized ones. I don't know how many Roosters I cast to and landed on my trip, but I found they liked that silver DIY Crease fly with a 20-pound leader. Those little guys really tug hard. I also caught Ladyfish while casting for the little Roosters, and also Dorado in that same area.
    We stopped many times and beat up the Skipjacks, just for a change of pace, and we decided we would use Crease flies only. We would throw in large handfuls of sardines and bring the skippies to the surface; they are a blast with surface flies. They sure are tough little critters, because they fight you straight up and down (very good way to break a rod if you’re not careful).
    I got to test lots of flies, and the results were just about what I figured they would be. The brown Tube Crease fly just might be the best and most durable Dorado fly I ever tied. The Roosters just loved that silver DIY Crease fly. I also took the silver Crease fly and painted the back a metallic blue and a few others a metallic green with little stripes running down the sides. I called them my Chicken Taco flies. I only had a few, but they all got eaten. I also got to test my hybrid fly lines. When Dorado fishing as most of you know, it’s not like Tarpon fishing where you need pinpoint accuracy, where you need to drop the fly in the imaginary hula hoop 80 feet away. For Dorado just a 40-foot cast is all you need, but you need a line that will deliver that big Crease Fly-Popper out there with ease. No false casting through the boat, no water hauling; just a nice, easy cast with a large fly. I took a Wulff Ambush line, which has a real short and thick 26-foot floating head, and cut the first six feet off the tip, then added 10 feet of a Cortland clear line to the remainder of the line. At the back of the head on the Wulff Ambush line it had a very skinny little running line that will hang up on anything near you. It probably worked well at the casting pond, but in the real world it was pretty worthless. I cut that skinny line off close to the back of the head and replaced it with a lot thicker and stiffer running line. Now I could get a hold of the line, and it was tangle free. The result is a full floating line that casts those big Tube Crease flies with ease. It also has the 10-foot clear floating tip, which lets me get away with a short 6-foot one piece leader that really turns a fly over easy. I just love the line, and used it every day. My roommate bought my spare, and as soon as I got home I made another. This line worked better then any line I ever took to Loreto in the past. For my other rod set up, I just used a Cortland crystal-clear floating line, with maybe a 6-foot leader, and the fixed hook Crease fly. This line also has a very short, fat head, which is perfect for those big Crease flies.
    I took 6 Sage XI3 fly rods on my trip from 12 wt.-16wt. The 12-wt. rods were the cream of the crop with the new Ambush hybrid fly lines. I took 4 Abel Super 12’s with 500 yards of 50-pound Power Pro backing. All my leaders were Seaguar material. This gear has given me great success over the last 12 years.
    My trip was orchestrated by Fishing International. They did a superb job of handling everything and it was smooth sailing all the way. We stayed at the Oasis Hotel again for because the food is great, the rooms are great, and the staff and management are first class. We get to use the computer, shoot pool, and play darts in the air-conditioned bar free, while watching Nascar on the big screen TV.
    As usual I had a ball on this trip, and my Captain is the best in Loreto. My only regrets are I really wish the big Dorado would have hung around longer, and I also wish the majority of the Sailfish wouldn't have left so early. It was really neat to see so much Sargasso. We didn't have to troll hardly at all, because there was so much Sargasso with Dorado under most all of it. All my roommates have already signed up for next year, and we are counting the days until we return again to Loreto.
    If anybody that reads this report has any questions about the fishing, the flies, fly lines, leader setups, or any other part of this trip to Loreto, please just send me an email. [email protected]
    Carl Blackledge


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  • MistermtdMistermtd Steinhatchee Posts: 76 Greenhorn
    Nash - check this out. Steelheadfishing on the Skeena A bit long but pretty cool story.
  • DowntownNashDowntownNash Posts: 182 Officer
    mistermtd - Thank you for sharing that video, wish I would've noticed your post sooner!

    I also thought I'd give a little bit of an update on my plans. I think the last place I left off was with a very real possibility of packing up and moving to Seattle. Since then things have been changed, mix matched, rearranged and altered. As I've said before, my 1 year lease is up in May which means that whatever I decide to do, it has to be planned out before walking out the door of the apartment for the last time. I've gotten a lot of heckling about sticking out my lease and not wanting to bail on it but by hook or by crook I'd like to finish out one of the only real commitments I've ever made in my life. At this point the fishing is my biggest motivation for going somewhere new. Don't confuse this with some snarky thought process of only catching fish. That is not my motivation nor my intention. When I say I'm motivated by the fishing I mean I am motivated by the inevitable acts of meeting people, exploring new areas, tying flies through the night, and spending all day on the water.

    Let me preface this by saying my decision was NOT based on Seattle's record breaking winter this year:grin
    With my family at my heels about going to school I figured it was time to finally make an adult decision and seriously decide what was the best decision for my future and put my desires of world class fishing on a back burner. So now with school in mind, it doesnt make any sense to relocate to another state after already having spent so long in Tn. If I packed up and moved to somewhere like Seattle, I would likely get there and have to wait AT LEAST 12 months for residency in order for in-state tuition. So I have 2 options. Go back to Florida, or stay here in Tennessee and claim residency. I feel as though I should also say that I really have enjoyed Nashville. I've met some great people, had some great jobs, and I love the area. But I don't know if I'll really still be happy here after I commit to a 2 year AS Degree. Part of that knowing that I'm 2 hours away from the nearest small stream trout fishing.

    So between family, friends, and old contacts this is where I'm currently at. Again, sometime in May my lease is up. I had to junk the car I came up here with and I'm borrowing a family members because as an 18 year old, I can't get much of a loan. Let me know what all of you think about this. Would you approve your own kid doing it, have you done it yourself?

    Mind you, I'll be fishing along this whole trip wherever I can figure out how to get out without spending much money. The day my lease is up I'm thinking about already having sold everything I cant fit into 1 suitcase and a backpack. Jumping in the car, spend a couple days car camping in the Great Smoky Mountains, make my way to virginia to stay for a few days with family, fish, and drop off my car. From Va I can have a family member drive me to DC where I can catch a train from DC to NYC for something like $30. I have family, and my mom is in NYC where I could stay for a month if not more. With my only expense being food for the month. I believe I may be able to find a couple weeks worth of work here to offset some costs. From NYC I could catch a one way plane ride to Florida where most of my family will be gathering from across the state for my grandfathers 70'th in June. In Florida I have family that could house me in Melbourne/Malabar, Fl for another month or so if need be and from there I'll start the paperwork to getting into a new apartment. I'm looking at places like the general area of Ft Myers. Places with a Community College nearby, an airport, restaurant jobs, etc...I've checked that areas Craigslist and the job opportunities seem to be plentiful in the industry I'm looking for. The only thing about the Ft Myers area is that I don't know if the population is going to be a little too... elderly for me. BUT I would love to be sight fishing Snook off the beach, and snook/reds in the backwaters.

    I know some people will be revolted by just the notion of something like this, but it is not too far of a stretch from some of the things I've already done. I've been living 1200 miles away from the closest family member and financially independent since I was 17. Now realize I pay over $600 in rent alone to live by myself in a gated community. Almost anywhere in the country I could go, I could find a place to stay for even cheaper with a roommate. With 2 roommates I could spend the same amount of money living in NYC.

    I've got to start getting ready for work so I'm going to cut this a little bit short but again I ask you...

    What would you do?
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  • LostFLAboyLostFLAboy Posts: 29 Greenhorn
    Not even a nibble, huh???

    Downtown, You've asked a very complicated question ... If the question is "if you should go to school," then the answer is almost certainly. The real questions you need to ask yourself are: when, where, to study what and to what end.

    All the best,
    LFB
  • dogman18dogman18 Posts: 355 Deckhand
    Just a few though from an old guy.
    Get a good education the best you can afford. Be it a trade, 2 year degree or a BS. The best.!!
    As far as what I'd do: having an education and wanting to fish by brains out I'd go to Australia and get a job,live like a rat ,save every dime I could and go to New Zealand for the summer, buy a cheap car, drive both islands and fish for 3 months. Then figure my next move.
    I have a friend who was H bent on Montana. He has a programmers degree and experience. At about 25 he left the NE and went to Montana and is living his dream.
    My dad always said: go to school and get a degree,they can't take that "paper" away from you. D18
    “There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.”
    ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
  • DowntownNashDowntownNash Posts: 182 Officer
    Starting to prepare... Cutting unneccessary bills, touching up on my spanish, etc...
    Here's the general route I'll be taking
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  • smctroutsmctrout Posts: 37 Greenhorn
    Have you considered the University of Tennessee at Knoxville? If you are a Tennessee resident, you will get in-state tuition rates, and you may also be eligible for the lottery scholarships. There is good flyfishing for trout in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park (GSMNP), the adjoining National Forest, and nearby TVA tailwaters. There is an event called "Troutfest" in Townsend, TN, which is adjacent to one of the entrances to the GSMNP. This year it is May 18-20. You can get a good feel for the fishing in the area. The year-round weather is about as good as you will find in the continental US. I have met people who have moved here from other states because of the climate. You would be a one-day drive from the Florida panhandle.
  • Bill@NSB[email protected] Posts: 207 Deckhand
    Reads like a plan. Personally, I'd take Florida over Tennessee or Seattle any day.
    You've never mentioned what you want to study. Edison College and Florida Gulf Coast University are in Ft Myers, among others.
    From a fishing-standpoint, not much bad about the area. Snook, reds, tarpon.
    With boomers like me getting old, a healthcare career would be a good choice and FGCU offers degrees in that area.
    I visit Ft Myers fairly often for work. it's not as old as you'd think.
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