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  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 9,524 Admiral
    edited April 19 #182
    dave44 said:
    I heard he said he couldn’t breathe. 
       I have also heard you get oxygenated by breathing. Or gills.
    Not with hemoglobin based measurements based in time delayed metabolism.  Suffocating and reduced hemoglobin saturation are not directly linked.  

    Sounds like the pulmonary expert's testimony was good....  unless you know something this expert doesn't.  

    As an example you can have dyspnea and normal oxygen saturation levels.  
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  • cadmancadman Home of the Gators Posts: 37,005 AG
    cadman said:
    kellercl said:
    cadman said:
    That's not what the experts testified to at the trial.
    Which sides expert? I don't have time to watch
    Prosecutor.  EMT also testified she was barred for being able to help Floyd when she arrived on scene.


    Does the defense have the ability to  call experts? We all know from the kung flu pandemic that science differs depending on how much money heads their way
    The prosecution couldn't find "experts" that agree on cause of death, making defense easy.  One goof claimed he could tell cause and moment of death from a poor quality cell phone video.  Another of the prosecutor's experts claimed Mr. Floyd's oxygen saturation was normal when he arrived at the hospital.
    Floyd was dead when he got to the hospital. They tried to revive him, but he was already dead. He had no pulse. 

    Which witness claimed he had normal oxygen levels? Sounds like you heard some blog who was clueless.

    Tobin was permitted to discuss oxygen levels in Floyd's blood. He said that given the readings they have on his oxygen saturation level, Fowler's assertion on how much carbon monoxide could have been in his blood was incorrect.

    "It's simply wrong," Tobin replied. He said Floyd's measured 98% oxygen saturation in his blood, which would be considered normal.

    Testimony Ends Without Derek Chauvin Taking The Stand : Live Updates: Trial Over George Floyd's Killing : NPR

    Tobin said medical records showed Floyd's oxygen saturation was 98% when he died.

    April 15, 2021 Derek Chauvin trial day 14 news (cnn.com)


    You're no longer clueless...

    That is the same doctor who said he died due to lack of oxygen.

    Apparently, you can have 98% blood level and die from lack of oxygen in the lungs 

    Who knew


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    I am just here for my amusement. 

  • jetmech2jetmech2 Panhandle Posts: 1,205 Officer
    Floyd was also complaining he couldn’t breathe while standing up. 
  • treemanjohntreemanjohn Posts: 6,465 Admiral
    jetmech2 said:
    Floyd was also complaining he couldn’t breathe while standing up. 
    Critical information that has been overlooked 
    We’re like the piggy bank that everybody is robbing, and that ends
  • supratentorialsupratentorial FLPosts: 1,194 Officer
    cadman said:
    cadman said:
    kellercl said:
    cadman said:
    That's not what the experts testified to at the trial.
    Which sides expert? I don't have time to watch
    Prosecutor.  EMT also testified she was barred for being able to help Floyd when she arrived on scene.


    Does the defense have the ability to  call experts? We all know from the kung flu pandemic that science differs depending on how much money heads their way
    The prosecution couldn't find "experts" that agree on cause of death, making defense easy.  One goof claimed he could tell cause and moment of death from a poor quality cell phone video.  Another of the prosecutor's experts claimed Mr. Floyd's oxygen saturation was normal when he arrived at the hospital.
    Floyd was dead when he got to the hospital. They tried to revive him, but he was already dead. He had no pulse. 

    Which witness claimed he had normal oxygen levels? Sounds like you heard some blog who was clueless.

    Tobin was permitted to discuss oxygen levels in Floyd's blood. He said that given the readings they have on his oxygen saturation level, Fowler's assertion on how much carbon monoxide could have been in his blood was incorrect.

    "It's simply wrong," Tobin replied. He said Floyd's measured 98% oxygen saturation in his blood, which would be considered normal.

    Testimony Ends Without Derek Chauvin Taking The Stand : Live Updates: Trial Over George Floyd's Killing : NPR

    Tobin said medical records showed Floyd's oxygen saturation was 98% when he died.

    April 15, 2021 Derek Chauvin trial day 14 news (cnn.com)


    You're no longer clueless...

    That is the same doctor who said he died due to lack of oxygen.

    Apparently, you can have 98% blood level and die from lack of oxygen in the lungs 

    Who knew


    The entire trial was based on Mr. Floyd dying due to lack of oxygen.  Obviously his O2 sats were normal due to resuscitation efforts (given 100% oxygen), he was still dead.  If the jury (or anyone else not given a proper explanation) had heard this testimony, it would absolutely cause some doubt about everything else they heard. Makes me wonder if the defense brought up carbon monoxide levels to get this information out of the expert.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 9,524 Admiral
    edited April 19 #187
    jetmech2 said:
    Floyd was also complaining he couldn’t breathe while standing up. 
    Critical information that has been overlooked 
    Hasn't been overlooked.  Somebody can't breath... 

    Option A: call in medical assistance 

    or 

    Option B: kneel on his neck 9 minutes


    I won't bother asking what option seems reasonable, mainly because I don't really want to know your view.
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  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 9,524 Admiral
    kellercl said:
    jetmech2 said:
    Floyd was also complaining he couldn’t breathe while standing up. 
    Critical information that has been overlooked 
    Hasn't been overlooked.  Somebody can't breath... 

    Option A: call in medical assistance 

    or 

    Option B: kneel on his neck 9 minutes


    I won't bother asking what option seems reasonable, mainly because I don't really want to know your view.
    Maybe calm down and stop fighting. Can you add that to your options?  Thanks in advance
    Floyd isn't on trial, so that has little impact.  The question is if the force used was excessive.  I'll wait to see the verdict, but my feeling is the defense is going to struggle convincing the juror 9 minutes of kneeling wasn't excessive.  The actions, IMHO, aren't the problem.  It was the length of time.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

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  • ferris1248ferris1248 Posts: 14,473 Moderator
    kellercl said:
    jetmech2 said:
    Floyd was also complaining he couldn’t breathe while standing up. 
    Critical information that has been overlooked 
    Hasn't been overlooked.  Somebody can't breath... 

    Option A: call in medical assistance 

    or 

    Option B: kneel on his neck 9 minutes


    I won't bother asking what option seems reasonable, mainly because I don't really want to know your view.
    Maybe calm down and stop fighting. Can you add that to your options?  Thanks in advance
    Now that's irony. :)

    "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."

    Rabbi Hillel (c20 BCE)

  • treemanjohntreemanjohn Posts: 6,465 Admiral
    The majority of law enforcement are bad or complicit With the bad things that happened in their precincts. This happens at all level from federal to local. Anyone with half a brain should understand that cops enjoy roughing you up if you keep fighting it will only lead to more cops who enjoy roughing you up arriving at the scene..

    He would still be alive if he chose my option.  He was too stupid to do so
    We’re like the piggy bank that everybody is robbing, and that ends
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 9,524 Admiral
    The majority of law enforcement are bad or complicit With the bad things that happened in their precincts. This happens at all level from federal to local. Anyone with half a brain should understand that cops enjoy roughing you up if you keep fighting it will only lead to more cops who enjoy roughing you up arriving at the scene..

    He would still be alive if he chose my option.  He was too stupid to do so
    So it is ok because it happens...  amazing logic.  

    Might as well wait for the verdict.  It will be a quick one.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

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  • cadmancadman Home of the Gators Posts: 37,005 AG
    The majority of law enforcement are bad or complicit With the bad things that happened in their precincts. This happens at all level from federal to local. Anyone with half a brain should understand that cops enjoy roughing you up if you keep fighting it will only lead to more cops who enjoy roughing you up arriving at the scene..

    He would still be alive if he chose my option.  He was too stupid to do so
    I will agree, if he not fought, he would be alive. But even the cop's supervisor said he violated policy. He also kept his knee on Floyd long after he stopped moving. 

    I think the guy gets convicted on the manslaughter charges.

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    I am just here for my amusement. 

  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 14,538 AG
    Instead of saying he couldn't breathe, he should have asked "if you let me go, I promise I won't do it again".
    Just dropping grenades in OT
  • GardawgGardawg The Sportfishing Capital Of The WorldPosts: 12,306 AG
    What's the make up of the jury? 

    They're the ones that matter

    I think it'll be a split decision.  
    "Forgiveness is a strange thing. It can be sometimes easier to forgive our enemies than our friends. It can be hardest of all to forgive people we love." Fred Rogers  
  • jetmech2jetmech2 Panhandle Posts: 1,205 Officer
    Gardawg said:
    What's the make up of the jury? 

    They're the ones that matter

    I think it'll be a split decision.  
    I think the jury is scared to death. 
    Their identities have been leaked. 
     I would not be surprised if there is a mistrial. Definitely a appeal. 
  • GardawgGardawg The Sportfishing Capital Of The WorldPosts: 12,306 AG
    Some sort of plea deal maybe.  Convicted but in such a way it'll be overturned  on appeal in  a few years and he'll even get his back pay and retirement.  Not that I'm cynical or anything.  
    "Forgiveness is a strange thing. It can be sometimes easier to forgive our enemies than our friends. It can be hardest of all to forgive people we love." Fred Rogers  
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 9,524 Admiral
    Gardawg said:
    What's the make up of the jury? 

    They're the ones that matter

    I think it'll be a split decision.  
    I'll be surprised if he isn't convicted, but I have surprised in the past.  I think two things are going to hurt:

    1) 9 minutes is going to come off as excessive to most

    2) Bystander called EMT (police didn't) and according to testimony (if I understand it properly) when the EMT showed up, the cops denied her access to Floyd

    Both of those issues are going to be hard to explain/justify.  
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

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  • ferris1248ferris1248 Posts: 14,473 Moderator
    Gardawg said:
    Some sort of plea deal maybe.  Convicted but in such a way it'll be overturned  on appeal in  a few years and he'll even get his back pay and retirement.  Not that I'm cynical or anything.  
    This would not surprise me but I'm leaning towards manslaughter.

    "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."

    Rabbi Hillel (c20 BCE)

  • MulletMaster239MulletMaster239 Southwest FloridaPosts: 873 Officer
    jetmech2 said:
    Floyd was also complaining he couldn’t breathe while standing up. 
    Yep.  The mantra was based on a lie.  Here is a bodycam video of St. Floyd being arrested in 2019..very similar to the 2020 incident, crying for mommy and repeatedly refusing to comply with simple orders.  The officer also yells ‘spit it out’ when he gets to the vehicle.  


    So St. Floyd obviously had a history of swallowing evidence and crying for mommy to avoid consequences for his actions.  Unbelievable that cities were burned and there’s murals everywhere of this pathetic blubbering crybaby.  Can’t say I blame cops for getting rough with someone like this.  I bet he wasn’t crying when he held that pregnant woman at gunpoint during a robbery though.  
  • RennieRaeRennieRae Posts: 767 Officer
    Yep.  The mantra was based on a lie.  
    As are so many of the problems currently in this country... and propagated daily by mainstream media.  

    The true question I have in the Floyd incident is, was Chauvin motivated because of race.  I have to say it sure doesn't seem that way.  That may not make him innocent of murder but should it not be part of the national discussion to quell the rioters?  
    Bob 

    17 ft. Ankona Native with 40 hp Suzuki 4 stroke 
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 9,524 Admiral
    Floyd isn't on trial, I don't get what is so hard to understand about that.  The question is and only is, did the officer use excessive force?
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

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  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 9,674 Admiral
    edited April 19 #203
    No Floyd is not on trial. The whole legal system of the country is on trial. When politicians endorse riots if they don’t get the verdict that they want that is sad very sad. Are the southpaws going to condemn that person?

    “Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  • dave44dave44 Posts: 14,402 AG
    No Floyd is not on trial. The whole legal system of the country is on trial. When politicians endorse riots if they don’t get the verdict that they want that is sad very sad. Are the southpaws going to condemn that person?
    Never.
         I believe Ferris has her on speed dial though. 
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 9,524 Admiral
    No Floyd is not on trial. The whole legal system of the country is on trial. When politicians endorse riots if they don’t get the verdict that they want that is sad very sad. Are the southpaws going to condemn that person?
    I don't know what you mean by southpaw.  But if you are asking me, violence is wrong and I will accept the outcome.  
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 9,674 Admiral
    kellercl said:
    No Floyd is not on trial. The whole legal system of the country is on trial. When politicians endorse riots if they don’t get the verdict that they want that is sad very sad. Are the southpaws going to condemn that person?
    I don't know what you mean by southpaw.  But if you are asking me, violence is wrong and I will accept the outcome.  
    I forgot you don’t know anything about baseball.

    “Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 9,524 Admiral
    kellercl said:
    No Floyd is not on trial. The whole legal system of the country is on trial. When politicians endorse riots if they don’t get the verdict that they want that is sad very sad. Are the southpaws going to condemn that person?
    I don't know what you mean by southpaw.  But if you are asking me, violence is wrong and I will accept the outcome.  
    I forgot you don’t know anything about baseball.
    Lol, I got it now.  Also a boxing term, no?  Rocky is a Southpaw.  
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 9,674 Admiral
    Yes that would be correct. Boxing also.

    “Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 9,524 Admiral
    edited April 19 #209
    Yes that would be correct. Boxing also.
    I know a bit about sportsball.  
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 9,674 Admiral
    kellercl said:
    Yes that would be correct. Boxing also.
    I know a bit about sportsball.  
    OK Keller now you have stumped me. I never heard of sportsball. Is that one of your video games?

    “Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 9,524 Admiral
    edited April 19 #211
    kellercl said:
    Yes that would be correct. Boxing also.
    I know a bit about sportsball.  
    OK Keller now you have stumped me. I never heard of sportsball. Is that one of your video games?
    No, I was putting all sports into one category.  The game of sportsball.

    Joking aside, I only watch NFL and a bit of college football.  Even with those I don't watch as much as I used to.  
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
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