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  • FS BlairFS Blair Posts: 1,839 Admin

    About VoteWater.org

     

    FLORIDA’S WATER CRISIS IS A POLITICAL PROBLEM. IT REQUIRES A POLITICAL SOLUTION.

    The science is settled. The time to fix the problem is now.

    VoteWater.org is a nonpartisan, grassroots initiative designed to help Floridians identify clean-water candidates in 2020.  VoteWater.org will be producing a Voter Guides for several key counties for the 2020 Election Cycle as well as endorsing candidates who best exemplify what we need in our elected officials. 

    Earlier this year a five questionnaire was sent to all qualifying candidates in five important races: US Congressional races, State Senate and Representative races and County races.  Their answers, both the yes/no and open-ended answers were used heavily in the ratings of the candidates. 

    The questionnaires and volunteers, who assigned the ratings, were nonpartisan.

    WHAT the VoteWater Campaign is fighting for:

    Clean water is a right that must be preserved for every citizen. Floridians deserve the freedom to enjoy the outdoors in an environmentally safe and sustainable manner.

     

    2020 Election - Key Issues

    Here are the policies we seek candidates and elected officials to pursue:

    ·         Hold major polluters accountable.

    ·         Make human health a priority.

    ·         Fully fund pollution monitoring and enforcement.

    ·         Prioritize funding of sewer upgrades.

    ·         Prioritize above-ground water storage & conveyance instead of injection wells.

     

    Who is VoteWater: 

    350,000 Floridians Used the Bullsugar Clean Water Voting Guide During The 2018 Election Cycle.

    For 2020, we've added to the team across a wider coverage area with county captains.

    The County Captains are a nonpartisan volunteer group of individuals from around the state, many who have been fighting for better water management in their local communities for decades. The group consists of business leaders, educators, fishing guides, mothers, fathers, sons and daughters.

    In the 2020 Voter Guides we’ll focus on key races in: Lee, Collier, Monroe, Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Martin, St. Lucie, Manatee, Sarasota, Indian River, Brevard, Volusia and Charlotte Counties.

     

     

    How you can help:

    You can donate to Votewater.org, 100% of your donation will go towards promotion of the 2020 Voter Guides! 

    With your support, we can ensure that 2020 voters will have clean-water choices from both parties in the upcoming election.  Our goal is to raise $50,000 to amplify the VoteWater Campaign.  We're looking to fund traditional advertising campaigns on television and magazines, as well as social and text messaging programs.  And certainly we want as many yard signs out as possible closer to the election dates.

    You can also help spread the word about this important initiative via social media and if you’d like the VoteWater organization can get you a VoteWater yard sign.

      


  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,383 AG
    Y'all gonna hold Disney and all of the watershed north of the lake accountable?
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • lemaymiamilemaymiami Posts: 4,420 Captain
    Let's hope so... but more importantly we need a statewide effort so we're not just "preaching to the choir".  I'd like to think that everyone is a sportsman and cares about our waters - but that's just not the case.  We need serious outreach to every Floridian to convince them of the importance of sorting out our waters... If we actually got started today I'm betting that young'uns just entering college this year would be able to find employment in this endeavor - their entire lives if they learned the right skills (and we're going to need everything from civil engineers to scientists, to construction types - heck, even lawyers.).  -And as they retire 30 to 40 years from now, the job still won't be done... It's that large, that important, and we've got so many mistakes to fix around the state.... 

    I"ll get down off of my soapbox now - feel free to pass this on to anyone interested - particularly folks who don't fish or hunt, or paddle our waters... 
    Tight Lines
    Bob LeMay
    (954) 435-5666
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,383 AG
    Let's hope so... but more importantly we need a statewide effort so we're not just "preaching to the choir".  I'd like to think that everyone is a sportsman and cares about our waters - but that's just not the case.  We need serious outreach to every Floridian to convince them of the importance of sorting out our waters... If we actually got started today I'm betting that young'uns just entering college this year would be able to find employment in this endeavor - their entire lives if they learned the right skills (and we're going to need everything from civil engineers to scientists, to construction types - heck, even lawyers.).  -And as they retire 30 to 40 years from now, the job still won't be done... It's that large, that important, and we've got so many mistakes to fix around the state.... 

    I"ll get down off of my soapbox now - feel free to pass this on to anyone interested - particularly folks who don't fish or hunt, or paddle our waters... 
    this I agree with as long as all users/abusers feet are held to the fire.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Ron38SpecialRon38Special S FloridaPosts: 110 Deckhand
    Congressman Mast is our friend on this issue!
  • FS BlairFS Blair Posts: 1,839 Admin
    ANUMBER1 said:
    Let's hope so... but more importantly we need a statewide effort so we're not just "preaching to the choir".  I'd like to think that everyone is a sportsman and cares about our waters - but that's just not the case.  We need serious outreach to every Floridian to convince them of the importance of sorting out our waters... If we actually got started today I'm betting that young'uns just entering college this year would be able to find employment in this endeavor - their entire lives if they learned the right skills (and we're going to need everything from civil engineers to scientists, to construction types - heck, even lawyers.).  -And as they retire 30 to 40 years from now, the job still won't be done... It's that large, that important, and we've got so many mistakes to fix around the state.... 

    I"ll get down off of my soapbox now - feel free to pass this on to anyone interested - particularly folks who don't fish or hunt, or paddle our waters... 
    this I agree with as long as all users/abusers feet are held to the fire.
    We can fix it sooner than you think, but it's not easy.  We simply have to flip the priority from ag and water users, primarily Big Sugar, to conservation and water quality.  Easier said than done, but with the right votes it can happen.  Note what Congressman Brian Mast has been doing.
  • MangroveMarkMangroveMark Oak HillPosts: 450 Deckhand
    Wait, don't we need the Feds to keep subsidizing billionaires like the Fanjules to grow enough sugar to increase the amount of obese Americans??? :s
  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 10,310 AG
    Started many decades ago. In my opinion it was to hurt Cuba’s industry for political reasons.  Time to get over it  and cut production in half.

    “Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  • FS BlairFS Blair Posts: 1,839 Admin
    Started many decades ago. In my opinion it was to hurt Cuba’s industry for political reasons.  Time to get over it  and cut production in half.
    Agreed, stopping the spread of communism by propping up a sugarcane industry grown in the Everglades as seen its time and usefulness.  Communism isn't coming to Florida.  We need to take back our water.  There's no reason to grow 400,000 acres of sugar in the Everglades any longer, not if we have to provide water and land in case they need to pump their dirty water from their fields.  
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,383 AG
    Ahem, you mean Orlando's dirty water, right?
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Ron38SpecialRon38Special S FloridaPosts: 110 Deckhand
    Florida ships as much as 700,000 tons of sugar each year. That has to be worth something to the economy.

    Sugar may take up storage area, but dirty water does not flow North.

    If you really want clean water ,  Stop the discharge and septic tanks up by good old mickey mouse, 
    If you stopped sugar today, there would still be green water in lake Okeechobee! And honestly if you argue that point, you don't jack poop about Florida water woes.....

    There was never a problem in the Lake before the Orlando boom!
  • Ron38SpecialRon38Special S FloridaPosts: 110 Deckhand
    edited October 2020 #13
    This is not saying water should not flow South!
    If water flowed south, it would be clean by the time it got to Florida Bay. Its the canals and short circuits flow that negates the everglades ability to clean water.,

    Quite honestly I have been studying this since I was 13 years old. And then spent a lifetime building water treatment areas and marshes.
  • FS BlairFS Blair Posts: 1,839 Admin
    ANUMBER1 said:
    Ahem, you mean Orlando's dirty water, right?
    No, the primary source of pollution going into Lake O is from Ag just north of Lake O, not the upper Kissimmee.  Some Sugar, but mostly dairy and ag.  I expect if the pollution was coming from Orlando and Disney they'd fight to keep the status quo much like the Ag industry is doing currently.  

    There's no question where the pollution is coming from, the State keeps tabs on both the levels of phosphorous and nitrogen going into the Lake and where it comes from. It's not the upper Kissimmee nor Disney.   
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,383 AG
    so, several posts back it was primarily Big Sugars fault, now it's mostly dairy and ag as there isn't much sugar north of the lake..

    Sounds like y'all don't know which tree to bark up but you do know to stay awy from the real culprit...

    Shine on!
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • FloridaODFloridaOD Posts: 4,258 Captain
    edited October 2020 #16
    So here we have a natural “ System” (anyone here recall Art Marshall,Johnny Jones) that has been compartmentalized.....we now promote high levee wall “ Reservoirs” and “ Treatment Areas” to be Built in Ag Land..... which is former Everglades Flow Land.
    Next: Calls to repair “ Aging” Lake O Dike......and raise it some feet to accommodate higher water supply.

    Trivia question:What is the “ projected” future South Florida human population that drives growth management policy, assumptions?

    Dont be surprised to see a bloated South Florida population/ society/ political establishment turn its back on Lake O habitat/ recreation in the name of assured water supply.

    ‘Supporting ‘ “ Water” is also construed as supporting water supply/ continued “ Growth”.
    So far, Florida Sportsmen, Conservation Organization, Foundation,River Keeper “ educational” efforts have proven largely futile.

    Art Marshall was a close friend of mine.He predicted this scenario.
    Hunters are present yet relatively uncommon in Florida :wink
  • Ron38SpecialRon38Special S FloridaPosts: 110 Deckhand
    FS Blair said:
    ANUMBER1 said:
    Ahem, you mean Orlando's dirty water, right?
    No, the primary source of pollution going into Lake O is from Ag just north of Lake O, not the upper Kissimmee.  Some Sugar, but mostly dairy and ag.  I expect if the pollution was coming from Orlando and Disney they'd fight to keep the status quo much like the Ag industry is doing currently.  

    There's no question where the pollution is coming from, the State keeps tabs on both the levels of phosphorous and nitrogen going into the Lake and where it comes from. It's not the upper Kissimmee nor Disney.   
    Certainly agriculture has its problems, but the change in content from Orlando development discharges was the tipping point.

    If you statement was correct Blair, Lake O never would have been clean. Ag North of the lake has existed for much longer than green algae.

    So be careful pushing opinions as facts, You facts just don't pan out!
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,383 AG
    Bull Creek WMA when stolen from the Kempher family was supposed to be for water storage...

    Never happened and the SFWMD got away with robbery..
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • SnapperwhackerhardSnapperwhackerhard Posts: 31 Deckhand
    Congressman Mast is our friend on this issue!
    What has Congressman Mast done? Fresh water is a pollutant if artificially introduced in great quantities into an estuary.  And the lake is being drained into our estuarys  TODAY . Human pollution is an added problem. Everyone knows that filter marshes south of lake to restore sheet flow is only real solution. 

    This is an 1856 map of south florida which is self explanatory 




  • H20dadH20dad Posts: 2,488 Captain
    ANUMBER1 said:
    so, several posts back it was primarily Big Sugars fault, now it's mostly dairy and ag as there isn't much sugar north of the lake..

    Sounds like y'all don't know which tree to bark up but you do know to stay awy from the real culprit...

    Shine on!
    He just has to push the communist/socialist agenda. 
  • Ron38SpecialRon38Special S FloridaPosts: 110 Deckhand
    The real culprit is simple, too many fish in the fish bowl. 
    Get rid of people, problem solved. Florida can't function naturally with humans living where they live. Its as simple as that.
  • I have a few I'd like to vote off the island ;)
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • FairoaksFairoaks LantanaPosts: 11 Deckhand
    Ron is correct. People living in the areas that were once sheet flow.
    The system will never work as it once did...
    Oh, and that stupid Sparrow too....
  • diverdandiverdan jacksonville flPosts: 27 Deckhand
    We need to start local. Capt Jeff is a great example of this by starting on his local canals. Cant slay all the dragons at once but if someone says they are "working" on a problem in your backyard you can verify what is not being done.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,383 AG
    just for clarification..
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • FS BlairFS Blair Posts: 1,839 Admin
    ANUMBER1 said:
    just for clarification..
    Thanks for posting, in looking at the TP load you see where the pollution is coming from, and that's exactly what I was stating, from land north of the Lake.  As you can see the TP load from the Upper Kissimmee (Greater Orlando) only accounts for 15% of the TP load.  

    You talked about barking up trees earlier, ag north of the Lake and Big Sugar for water issues.  It's still both.  Two trees.  Two problems.  One is pollution, basically ag and dairy north of the Lake, which no longer has measurable regulations as to how much phosphorous and nitrogen they dump into their local watersheds.  The other is Big Sugar which controls how much water is kept in the system, generally keeping too much, which leads to massive discharges to the estuaries.  

    I'm not anti-farming, but I am pro-angler.  I'd expect others on the Florida Sportsman Forum, part of the fishing community, would feel the same.  
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,383 AG
    So federal mandates on STA discharges don't matter
    ?
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
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