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  • Vinny lVinny l Posts: 350 Deckhand
    edited December 2019 #32
    Apart from fuel consumption, speed, weight and trailering is there any other advantage you guys can think of with going to a Carbon fiber or kevlar boat?

  • TGunnTGunn Posts: 1,919 Captain
    A lighter boat will be more responsive on the trolling motor, and you will get longer battery life on your TM.  You didn’t mention draft. 

    With my CE, it’s like having two fewer people on board compared to a glass boat. I’m sure you can feel the difference between having two and four people aboard—-that’s a significant difference. 
  • TXWahooTXWahoo Posts: 538 Officer
    edited December 2019 #34
    Vinny l said:
    Apart from fuel consumption, speed, weight and trailering is there any other advantage you guys can think of with going to a Carbon fiber or kevlar boat?

    Impact resistance with Kevlar, so I've been told.  Plus you get a cool sticker on the side.
  • FlatsBoyFlatsBoy Posts: 1,389 Officer
    edited December 2019 #35
    TGunn said:
    A lighter boat will be more responsive on the trolling motor, and you will get longer battery life on your TM.  You didn’t mention draft. 

    With my CE, it’s like having two fewer people on board compared to a glass boat. I’m sure you can feel the difference between having two and four people aboard—-that’s a significant difference. 
    Mr. TGunn is 100% correct. Plus I'll add since my Full Kevlar Moccasin is 150 lbs. less than my glass one was. it's like running with a 1/2 tank of fuel when your full compared to my last boat. Now add Lithium Batteries and I saved another 100 lbs. in the Moccasin. Now that doesn't sound like a lot but it equates to better MPG better draft & speed along with the added benefit of Kevlar which reflects energy back out when it has a impact from water etc. Just like Bullet proof vests when they take a impact from a object it doesn't let it pass thru and deflects it. This is what I noticed when running chop you don't feel it as much as the glass boat which some may say it's a stiffer ride which it is but at the same time it's a smoother ride with less absorption to you from impacts with water. Plus if you hit something it will prevent it better from puncturing or breaching the hull along with being more abrasive resistance than just carbon fiber. Now if you do just a carbon layup with glass then that is a different feel and does not have the impact resistance or withstand extreme temperatures like Kevlar. Carbon Fiber is more brittle and stiffer and not as flexible but it is lighter than Kevlar and does not reflect energy like Kevlar. What does this equate to other than your wallet being hit harder who knows other than what I've experienced side by side running the same boats like explained above.
  • Vinny lVinny l Posts: 350 Deckhand
    edited December 2019 #36
    Thanks guys! If I get a second Moccasin it'll be Kevlar. 
     
  • Vinny lVinny l Posts: 350 Deckhand
    edited January 1 #37
    I’ve been doing a bit of research on Carbon Innegra. Hells Bay has been using the material since 2013, I 🤔. I’ve also spoken to several engineers who specialize in the field. Between what Hell’s Bay has been doing and the conversations I’ve had with the specialists I’m seriously considering it for my next build.
    Forgot to add I took a look at a 25 Contender yesterday in Fort Lauderdale. I was suppose to take a ride with Randy from FB Marine today but wound up staying in Pompano. I’ll check it out when I come back in a couple of weeks.

  • FlatsBoyFlatsBoy Posts: 1,389 Officer
    The only way your going to have a manufacture do a build with with Carbon Innegra is if they offer it or use it in production. You can't just say to a boat builder use this material doesn't work like that! Lol So I suggest go with a boat builder that offers it and a boat you like. Egret does not use or offer a layup with it.
  • Vinny lVinny l Posts: 350 Deckhand
    edited January 1 #39
    Phil
    I stated in post #25 first page, Islamorada/Stuart boat works is using CI in a new 24 Morada build and they plan on offering it as an option. I also stated that I was waiting to see/ride the finished product. I’ll be back in Florida in a couple of weeks to fish with a Capt. out of Miami that has a Morada.
    I plan on sea trialing the Morada CI in February. 
    Thanks again for your input
  • FlatsBoyFlatsBoy Posts: 1,389 Officer
    edited January 2 #40
    I was at the factory and saw this boat during production that was done in the CI let us know how the sea trial goes. It is light for sure.
  • Vinny lVinny l Posts: 350 Deckhand
    edited January 2 #41
    My wife, son and I visited the factory when the CI was getting wired, the same day we sea trialed a glass hull. I was as impressed with that boat as I was with the Moccasin. My wife described the Morada as a Moccasin on steroids.
    I'll let ya know how it goes. For what its worth Bob at the factory confirmed what Hells bay and the engineers said to me " that the boat will be softer and quieter then a glass hull".
    If my memory serves me, they also claim the CI hull is 1/3 lighter.

  • Doc147Doc147 Brisbane, AustraliaPosts: 2 Greenhorn
    Hi, 

    For some reason my Ghost147 account got "locked out" or something, where I couldn't access, so I've had to create a new account. 

    I had a dabble look at the Carbon Innegra. Wow, it looks great, but gees, it is a costly material. 
    East Coast Sportfishing Ventures
    International Federation of Fly Fishers Certified Casting Instructor
    International Federation of Fly Fishers Fly Tying Group Member

    Brisbane, Australia

    "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
    Martin Luther King Jr., 1963
    "Just because a fish swims away, it does not mean it will survive! Think about your fish handling methods!"
  • Vinny lVinny l Posts: 350 Deckhand
    edited January 13 #43
    $10-12,000 more for CI hull and Deck I think. Very expensive however over the long haul 800 lbs lighter or there abouts means less motor to push her, wear and tear on trailer/truck and better fuel consumption. Not to mention the previously stated advantages.
    I'm just not sure if these advantages truly justify the additional cost.
    That's a lot of $$
  • Doc147Doc147 Brisbane, AustraliaPosts: 2 Greenhorn

    ooooo…. that is pricey! I think I will just stick to the CK hull. I don't think the cost of the CI hull justifies it. And I don't think the advantages are so much it justifies it.

    It is still something I will think about.

    East Coast Sportfishing Ventures
    International Federation of Fly Fishers Certified Casting Instructor
    International Federation of Fly Fishers Fly Tying Group Member

    Brisbane, Australia

    "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
    Martin Luther King Jr., 1963
    "Just because a fish swims away, it does not mean it will survive! Think about your fish handling methods!"
  • Vinny lVinny l Posts: 350 Deckhand
    edited February 18 #45
    If you guys are interested, the weight difference between the glass vs. the Carbon Innegra Morada 24 is about 300#s. A far cry from the original “about 1/3 less” guess (800#s). 
    My wife son and I went to the boat show yesterday, took a ride in a 25 BayContender. The bay was confused from all the boat traffic not to mention a solid 1 1/2 -2 foot chop. The boat ran remarkably well, smooth dry solid very comfortable 30+ cruise burning 3+ mpg. Its nicely laid out.
     Tomorrow I’ll be fishing on a 24 Morada out of Biscayne, Sunday on a 25 Bay Contender. I’ll keep ya posted.
  • Vinny lVinny l Posts: 350 Deckhand
    edited February 22 #46
    Yesterday I spent 6+ hours fishing Biscayne bay in the Morada. Being how the bay was relatively calm, the Capt was kind enough to bring us outside for a bit to feel what the the boat was capable of in a decent chop. The boat proved to be soft, comfortable and dry.
    Our Moccasin is an outstanding boat, the Morada is our boat on roids. 
    Sunday is the Contender Bay out of Islamorada. 
    I’ll keep ya posted.
  • Vinny lVinny l Posts: 350 Deckhand
    edited February 26 #47
    My wife, son his friend and I fished on a 25 Bay Contender with capt Poland Sunday. We left out of Islamorada headed for ENP. It wasn’t a great day fishing but the boat was amazing. Coming back to Islamorada we were in solid 2+ with an occasional set of 3’s thrown in to the mix. It made know difference which direction we traveled, beam to, quartering, head or following. No one got wet regardless of where they sat nor experience any pounding. The boat ran 35 mph in that  mess and just under 4mpg. It also ran incredibly skinny, I thought for sure on a couple of occasions we would feel a speed bump, nothing. 
    It’s a good boat, the down side is we felt cramped in side and the height of the aft deck is uncomfortable for my wife.
    looks like the Morada will be the second boat unless Frank decides to build a 24.

  • TXWahooTXWahoo Posts: 538 Officer
    edited March 2 #48
    Where did you feel cramped on the Contender?   It looks like trying to provide that wrap around seating and then a large front deck in front of it just eats up all the room when walking around the console.
  • Vinny lVinny l Posts: 350 Deckhand
    edited March 1 #49
    TXWahoo said:
    Where did you feel crmapled on the Contrender?   It looks like trying to provide that wrap around seating and then a large front deck in front of it just eats up all the room when walking around the console.
    That’s about right, plus not much room between the aft deck and the seat. I was fine with the layout but my wife was uncomfortable in it. She claims it’s too high for her to step on and off the aft and forward decks  and with a fish on, well it makes it even worse for her, not too sure footed she is. The step up in the Morada is 12 1/2“ the Contender is 17. That’s a big difference for a non athletic 57 year old little lady.
    It’s a great boat, soft, dry and runs incredibly skinny. It’s fast and fuel efficient with plenty of storage.
  • TXWahooTXWahoo Posts: 538 Officer
    edited March 2 #50
    Vinny l said:
    TXWahoo said:
    Where did you feel crmapled on the Contrender?   It looks like trying to provide that wrap around seating and then a large front deck in front of it just eats up all the room when walking around the console.
    The step up in the Morada is 12 1/2“ the Contender is 17. That’s a big difference for a non athletic 57 year old little lady.

    17" is quite a bit.  I wouldn't want to be stepping up or down that much either,
  • Vinny lVinny l Posts: 350 Deckhand
    edited March 2 #51
    It’s a good boat though, runs super skinny for 25' !!
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