any ducks outside sta's?

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  • binellishtrbinellishtr Posts: 8,797 Admiral
    karma's a **** ain't mocc boys...yall loved to talk **** about another Island back in the day,n it came back to haunt ya...ya them loose lips and big lips sink ships allright. X marks the spot..
  • cprcpr Posts: 9,309 Admiral
    My son and 2 of his friends got 2 each on lake Kissimmee last week.
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  • binellishtrbinellishtr Posts: 8,797 Admiral
    We had a blast this weekend, took two kids out Sat morning one 5 one 9 and had them in the blind eating donuts,getting buzzed by birds...took a nice airboat ride on the way in,saw an incredible amount of wading birds,and had a nice conversation at the ramp with a gentlemen who bagged a limit. Then proceeded to the breakfast spot,then off to a nap.........all along,nobody told us when we had to be there, where we needed to park,when we had to be back in,or how many shells we could carry. All in all a great morning!
  • huntmstrhuntmstr Posts: 6,290 Admiral
    It's amazing how much people complain about and find blame in places where there is none, all because they aren't having it easy. Access restrictions, more rules, limitations, etc... are all just ways to regulate others so that those in favor of the increased restrictions can feel they're on a level playing field. Unless a regulation has sound scientific biological reasoning behind it and is instituted for the sake of managing the game itself, stop trying to regulate people. It doesn't work. It's just another way to get even with those who are having more fun or success than others. Nothing more.

    It's also comical how angry these restrictionists get at the few of us here opposing them simply because we combat their whining with facts. I'll keep saying it... worry less about others and concentrate on hunting and having fun. Hunting is supposed to be fun. If you're not having fun, perhaps you should take up another hobby because you're doing this one wrong.
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  • Big MakBig Mak Posts: 2,485 Captain
    Amen Chuckie Cheese!
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  • eazy89eazy89 Posts: 140 Officer
    huntmstr wrote: »
    I'll keep saying it... worry less about others and concentrate on hunting and having fun. Hunting is supposed to be fun. If you're not having fun, perhaps you should take up another hobby because you're doing this one wrong.

    Amen Chuck. Its not about killing a limit everytime or bashing the other hunter who's not a pro or biologist like you.... its about having fun and enjoying your time outdoors. Also, it's about giving back and showing others the way.
  • RedneckFshin'RedneckFshin' Posts: 147 Deckhand
    There are OFFICIALLY no ducks outside the STAs, everyone please stay at your local STA, and try getting that standby line above the 200 mark...
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    eazy89 wrote: »
    Amen Chuck. Its not about killing a limit everytime or bashing the other hunter who's not a pro or biologist like you.... its about having fun and enjoying your time outdoors. Also, it's about giving back and showing others the way.


    Touché sir!

    I believe we did just that ourselves yesterday with our three bird slaughter! Haha but it was more fun than some days I've had shooting limits!
  • Toothy ThangToothy Thang Posts: 1,415 Officer
    Chet wrote: »
    Back in the 70's and until the early 80's there was a swamp on the west coast full of Pintails and Widgeon. It's called Chassahowitzka. It was a duck mecca. I scout it just about every year and a few years ago I saw one Widgeon. That's been it. You can't buy a duck in Chaz now. This place was and still is a hunt only Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday. In the mid to late 80's the ducks left. They just stopped coming. Couldn't have been the pressure because the "duck experts" say if you have three day a week pressure the ducks will stay around. Couldn't have been all of those nasty STA's because they didn't exist. You have for examples Merrit and Chaz where your wish is in effect and the results blow. Lets face it restrictions do nothing but take away opportunity.

    As for Moccc. we all know why that place was ruined. You can't shoot limits of Widgeon all most every day, get on the net and brag about it, lead people on all season and then tell them you'll post the spot up after the season is over. Then go back next year and not expect to see people who never even knew you could hunt there in the area. The place was blown up by the internet. Just go back to the clubs history. Read the thread when a daily count down to 100 widgeon was taken place. At the end of the thread when the location was posted look and see how many posted, "I never knew that place was huntable". And how many asked, "where is this place".

    Nothing like destroying your backyard and then blaming the damage on others. Loose lips run off ducks not pressure.



    yep.
  • ChetChet Posts: 292 Deckhand
    huntmstr wrote: »
    It's amazing how much people complain about and find blame in places where there is none, all because they aren't having it easy. Access restrictions, more rules, limitations, etc... are all just ways to regulate others so that those in favor of the increased restrictions can feel they're on a level playing field.

    It's also comical how angry these restrictionists get at the few of us here opposing them simply because we combat their whining with facts. I'll keep saying it... worry less about others and concentrate on hunting and having fun. Hunting is supposed to be fun. If you're not having fun, perhaps you should take up another hobby because you're doing this one wrong.



    Sounds like duck redistribution. Maybe Obama can get on this right after he levels the financial playing field.
  • publichunterpublichunter Posts: 1,180 Officer
    Lable me a liar. You can read what I wrote on the sub forum thread but that's the reason I did my best to leave this alone. Now that it seems few care and some are actually learning things, count this liar in again. But that's all you got on me.

    On the other hand.....

    Show me where I said all the ducks are in the STA's.

    Show me where I've ever complained, whined or *****ed about not being able to find ducks, or any game for that matter. And how could any of you possibly know about what birds I have or havn't found, or how much I scout or anything at all about the way I hunt?

    As far as someone saying I'm sore because I'm not having it easy...I don't like it easy. I prefer the non quota areas and the challenge in hunting places most people think suck because I don't like crowds.

    I have never hunted the STA's and don't even hunt quota permits outside of spring turkey in Ocala and kill as much as I want to year in and year out which is why I sometimes poke a little fun or come across critical of folks who hunt in what look and sound like zoos compared to the places I hunt. I suppose I'm a bit proud of the way I hunt but that's no excuse and I know I've been a **** on occasion in that regard and for that I apologize.

    About this thread, I think the arguments are...

    Are the STA's pulling ducks from elswhere in the state (notice I didn't say stealing...not my term, never used it) and are they getting better?

    These same conversations are going on in other forums so sometimes I forget what I post where. I've only been duck hunting for a little over a decade but know alot of people and have learned from a few who've been at it for alot longer. In regards to the first question, I've heard enough of these people who know alot about ducks and duck behavior have their suspicion to think that it's not an absurdity.

    How much is anyone's guess but I think the harvest data shows it's possible. True, harvest numbers for certain STA's have remained constant for the most part but some have expanded alot. I don't hunt them so I don't know the when's and where's of adding extra hunters or reduction of permits, but do know that opportunities have increased. What's also increased is the number of birds harvested. From a low of 17,286 in 07-08 to a high of 41,693 last year. If you look at number of birds harvested, it's gotten better. If you look at the increase in certain species being harvested, some would also say it's better. If you look at birds per hunter, it's stayed pretty constant. I guess it's how you interpret better.

    Posts have been made to say it's slow there this year but prior to the weekend that just ended 25,474 birds had been killed so far. With 4 weekends left at the time of that number, they're pretty much on pace with last year....in a year where a large portion of the state is having on all accounts, a tough year. Even a guide who's hunting and looking daily and stays on the birds as much as anyone admits to growing tired of cancelling charters.

    I want to reitterate that I don't think they are THE reason ducks are scarce up here, but I think it's possible that a growing number of birds are passing up places further north because of a lack of habitat or in some cases pressure, and are finding their way there. From a flyway standpoint it makes sense. I'm having a hard time finding older harvest check station data for places when they used to do ariel surveys for a comparison but I think the steady upward trend in birds harvested to over 40,000 while birds per hunter remains steady suggests there are alot of birds are there year in and year out while elsewhere, not so much....as if anyone questioned that.

    The question is how many, and how many other places are seeing less and less birds while the filter marshes see great numbers year in and year out. Before you scoff at the idea that 50,000 acres (slated to be close to 100,000 at completion) could have an effect on bird migration and where birds end up, consider that there is a 2,000 acre property in Arkansas that was said at one time to have as many as 25% of Arkansas ducks using it. To this day I've read of 200,000 ducks being there...old numbers go as high as half a million.
  • 139sst139sst Posts: 322 Deckhand
    Lable me a liar. You can read what I wrote on the sub forum thread but that's the reason I did my best to leave this alone. Now that it seems few care and some are actually learning things, count this liar in again. But that's all you got on me.

    On the other hand.....

    Show me where I said all the ducks are in the STA's.

    Show me where I've ever complained, whined or *****ed about not being able to find ducks, or any game for that matter. And how could any of you possibly know about what birds I have or havn't found, or how much I scout or anything at all about the way I hunt?

    As far as someone saying I'm sore because I'm not having it easy...I don't like it easy. I prefer the non quota areas and the challenge in hunting places most people think suck because I don't like crowds.

    I have never hunted the STA's and don't even hunt quota permits outside of spring turkey in Ocala and kill as much as I want to year in and year out which is why I sometimes poke a little fun or come across critical of folks who hunt in what look and sound like zoos compared to the places I hunt. I suppose I'm a bit proud of the way I hunt but that's no excuse and I know I've been a **** on occasion in that regard and for that I apologize.

    About this thread, I think the arguments are...

    Are the STA's pulling ducks from elswhere in the state (notice I didn't say stealing...not my term, never used it) and are they getting better?



    The question is how many, and how many other places are seeing less and less birds while the filter marshes see great numbers year in and year out. Before you scoff at the idea that 50,000 acres (slated to be close to 100,000 at completion) could have an effect on bird migration and where birds end up, consider that there is a 2,000 acre property in Arkansas that was said at one time to have as many as 25% of Arkansas ducks using it. To this day I've read of 200,000 ducks being there...old numbers go as high as half a million.


    Claypool's reservoir?
  • Big MakBig Mak Posts: 2,485 Captain
    Welcome back Hunter. That was probably your best post regarding this whole subject. Take chill pill, kick back, watch the game, and relax man! There is no reason to be torqued so tight tonight. The people have spoken and their VOICE has decisively resounded here in the land of the free, overwhelmingly.
  • eazy89eazy89 Posts: 140 Officer
    Not being an **** but write less if you want people to read your opinion. I gave up on paragraph 3

    Lable me a liar. You can read what I wrote on the sub forum thread but that's the reason I did my best to leave this alone. Now that it seems few care and some are actually learning things, count this liar in again. But that's all you got on me.

    On the other hand.....

    Show me where I said all the ducks are in the STA's.

    Show me where I've ever complained, whined or *****ed about not being able to find ducks, or any game for that matter. And how could any of you possibly know about what birds I have or havn't found, or how much I scout or anything at all about the way I hunt?

    As far as someone saying I'm sore because I'm not having it easy...I don't like it easy. I prefer the non quota areas and the challenge in hunting places most people think suck because I don't like crowds.

    I have never hunted the STA's and don't even hunt quota permits outside of spring turkey in Ocala and kill as much as I want to year in and year out which is why I sometimes poke a little fun or come across critical of folks who hunt in what look and sound like zoos compared to the places I hunt. I suppose I'm a bit proud of the way I hunt but that's no excuse and I know I've been a **** on occasion in that regard and for that I apologize.

    About this thread, I think the arguments are...

    Are the STA's pulling ducks from elswhere in the state (notice I didn't say stealing...not my term, never used it) and are they getting better?

    These same conversations are going on in other forums so sometimes I forget what I post where. I've only been duck hunting for a little over a decade but know alot of people and have learned from a few who've been at it for alot longer. In regards to the first question, I've heard enough of these people who know alot about ducks and duck behavior have their suspicion to think that it's not an absurdity.

    How much is anyone's guess but I think the harvest data shows it's possible. True, harvest numbers for certain STA's have remained constant for the most part but some have expanded alot. I don't hunt them so I don't know the when's and where's of adding extra hunters or reduction of permits, but do know that opportunities have increased. What's also increased is the number of birds harvested. From a low of 17,286 in 07-08 to a high of 41,693 last year. If you look at number of birds harvested, it's gotten better. If you look at the increase in certain species being harvested, some would also say it's better. If you look at birds per hunter, it's stayed pretty constant. I guess it's how you interpret better.

    Posts have been made to say it's slow there this year but prior to the weekend that just ended 25,474 birds had been killed so far. With 4 weekends left at the time of that number, they're pretty much on pace with last year....in a year where a large portion of the state is having on all accounts, a tough year. Even a guide who's hunting and looking daily and stays on the birds as much as anyone admits to growing tired of cancelling charters.

    I want to reitterate that I don't think they are THE reason ducks are scarce up here, but I think it's possible that a growing number of birds are passing up places further north because of a lack of habitat or in some cases pressure, and are finding their way there. From a flyway standpoint it makes sense. I'm having a hard time finding older harvest check station data for places when they used to do ariel surveys for a comparison but I think the steady upward trend in birds harvested to over 40,000 while birds per hunter remains steady suggests there are alot of birds are there year in and year out while elsewhere, not so much....as if anyone questioned that.

    The question is how many, and how many other places are seeing less and less birds while the filter marshes see great numbers year in and year out. Before you scoff at the idea that 50,000 acres (slated to be close to 100,000 at completion) could have an effect on bird migration and where birds end up, consider that there is a 2,000 acre property in Arkansas that was said at one time to have as many as 25% of Arkansas ducks using it. To this day I've read of 200,000 ducks being there...old numbers go as high as half a million.
  • publichunterpublichunter Posts: 1,180 Officer
    . Nevermind...said I was going to try to be nicer in the new year
  • PinmanPinman Posts: 2,381 Captain
    Lable me a liar. You can read what I wrote on the sub forum thread but that's the reason I did my best to leave this alone. Now that it seems few care and some are actually learning things, count this liar in again. But that's all you got on me.

    On the other hand.....

    Show me where I said all the ducks are in the STA's.

    Show me where I've ever complained, whined or *****ed about not being able to find ducks, or any game for that matter. And how could any of you possibly know about what birds I have or havn't found, or how much I scout or anything at all about the way I hunt?

    As far as someone saying I'm sore because I'm not having it easy...I don't like it easy. I prefer the non quota areas and the challenge in hunting places most people think suck because I don't like crowds.

    I have never hunted the STA's and don't even hunt quota permits outside of spring turkey in Ocala and kill as much as I want to year in and year out which is why I sometimes poke a little fun or come across critical of folks who hunt in what look and sound like zoos compared to the places I hunt. I suppose I'm a bit proud of the way I hunt but that's no excuse and I know I've been a **** on occasion in that regard and for that I apologize.

    About this thread, I think the arguments are...

    Are the STA's pulling ducks from elswhere in the state (notice I didn't say stealing...not my term, never used it) and are they getting better?

    These same conversations are going on in other forums so sometimes I forget what I post where. I've only been duck hunting for a little over a decade but know alot of people and have learned from a few who've been at it for alot longer. In regards to the first question, I've heard enough of these people who know alot about ducks and duck behavior have their suspicion to think that it's not an absurdity.

    How much is anyone's guess but I think the harvest data shows it's possible. True, harvest numbers for certain STA's have remained constant for the most part but some have expanded alot. I don't hunt them so I don't know the when's and where's of adding extra hunters or reduction of permits, but do know that opportunities have increased. What's also increased is the number of birds harvested. From a low of 17,286 in 07-08 to a high of 41,693 last year. If you look at number of birds harvested, it's gotten better. If you look at the increase in certain species being harvested, some would also say it's better. If you look at birds per hunter, it's stayed pretty constant. I guess it's how you interpret better.

    Posts have been made to say it's slow there this year but prior to the weekend that just ended 25,474 birds had been killed so far. With 4 weekends left at the time of that number, they're pretty much on pace with last year....in a year where a large portion of the state is having on all accounts, a tough year. Even a guide who's hunting and looking daily and stays on the birds as much as anyone admits to growing tired of cancelling charters.

    I want to reitterate that I don't think they are THE reason ducks are scarce up here, but I think it's possible that a growing number of birds are passing up places further north because of a lack of habitat or in some cases pressure, and are finding their way there. From a flyway standpoint it makes sense. I'm having a hard time finding older harvest check station data for places when they used to do ariel surveys for a comparison but I think the steady upward trend in birds harvested to over 40,000 while birds per hunter remains steady suggests there are alot of birds are there year in and year out while elsewhere, not so much....as if anyone questioned that.

    The question is how many, and how many other places are seeing less and less birds while the filter marshes see great numbers year in and year out. Before you scoff at the idea that 50,000 acres (slated to be close to 100,000 at completion) could have an effect on bird migration and where birds end up, consider that there is a 2,000 acre property in Arkansas that was said at one time to have as many as 25% of Arkansas ducks using it. To this day I've read of 200,000 ducks being there...old numbers go as high as half a million.


    Is this what a meltdown is publichunter?  I don't think what I am doing is a meltdown cause Im having waaaayyyy too much fun.

    Although I wish you and the Gootch were a bit more of a challenge. Its kinda like "shooting deer over a corn pile" or a hogs in a "40 acre pen" 

    This sure was a great thread. Miss some of the contributors. Aww the memories.....

  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 20,184 AG
    Did you melt down somewhere Ron?

    And yeah....some just can't take the heat..... LOL
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  • Big MakBig Mak Posts: 2,485 Captain
    Ron, you have a better memory than a elephant.
  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 20,184 AG
    Nothing gets passions stirred like ducks.... 

    and please ...stop long catting Public hunters diatribe.... LOL 
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    Many things to do.
    Knots to be unraveled
    'fore the darkness falls on you
  • FloridaODFloridaOD Posts: 3,444 Captain
    I know of a remote pond in a certain National Forest........ Only 76 Hunter Pressure Days
    Hunters are present yet relatively uncommon in Florida :wink
  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 20,184 AG
    The location of " The Moint " is a closely guarded secret.... 
    There are many roads to travel
    Many things to do.
    Knots to be unraveled
    'fore the darkness falls on you
  • Big MakBig Mak Posts: 2,485 Captain
    duckmanJR said:
    The location of " The Moint " is a closely guarded secret.... 
    Yes and someone moved it but forgot to tell me where!
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