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New rule against chumming from a beach

bgeorgebgeorge Plant City FLPosts: 1,652 Captain
At the most recent FWC meeting they passed a draft rule prohibiting any chumming from a beach or wade fishing from the beach.  Beach = sandy area with enough sand at high tide to support a sunbather.  Chum is any natural or artificial product that can attract marine life.

They say this is to protect people but a boater can come in and put out as much chum at the beach as they want.  

When asked about it they said that they could not find anyone who chums from shore.  This includes any person throwing out whitebait to get the snook bite on or people putting out fish food to get bait concentrated so that they can cast net them.

Can someone let me know if I am crazy to not believe that only people who own boats are chumming fish and bait up?
The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones. Hopefully the next man is not dropping his stones on the mountain you are trying to move.
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  • JettyparkJettypark Posts: 1,972 Captain
    LOL.... there are a bunch of people who chum from shore... i have seen newie so-called shark fisher who drop a few baits (large baits) right off the beach thinking that this will bring in all kinds of fish.... i have seen guys punch holes in
    catfood and toss them out there......the sad thing is that most of these AH will do it right front of bathers and even boast how will it works for them.... and that's how it all get started ..... and once someone tell it... by the time it gets around the shore fishermen are chumming cows LOL....but again i have seen it and its nothing new
    aa13.gif"A ship without Marines is like a garment without buttons"
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    edited December 2018 #3
    shark fisherman use kayaks to chum while shore fishing in public areas where people swim.  So the FWC is stepping in.  I don't see any issue with the new proposed rules.  It never should have been happening in the first place. 
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • brianbbrianb Posts: 2,489 Captain
    I have fished with some of the best beach shark fisherman in this state and nobody has ever mentioned chumming or actually chummed in my personal experience. I never seen anyone chum from land for sharks. 
  • YEA..But it sounds good...so we did something , anything...
    Killin and Grillin :grin
  • bgeorgebgeorge Plant City FLPosts: 1,652 Captain
    brianb said:
    I have fished with some of the best beach shark fisherman in this state and nobody has ever mentioned chumming or actually chummed in my personal experience. I never seen anyone chum from land for sharks. 

    That is what I understand is that the shark people generally do not do it.  When ever I have fished for them via boat I had not either but plenty of people put a little chum out for bait fish to cast net on.  Then there are some that snook fish and throw white bait.  
    The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones. Hopefully the next man is not dropping his stones on the mountain you are trying to move.
  • AlwaysAbuAlwaysAbu Posts: 477 Deckhand
    In 1350 miles of Florida coastline never been (1) incident of shark attack correlated with land based "chumming"...but we need a new reg for it. 
  • ScoutboatScoutboat Posts: 2,565 Captain
    I can see a need for the new regulation.
    As an example, Venice Beach and pier.
    If you've visited "Sharkeys' Restaurant at the pier, you'll see hundreds of teeth and jaws on display.  All those sharks have been caught from the pier or nearby.
    It makes good sense (to me) to discourage chumming near a public beach. 
  • bgeorgebgeorge Plant City FLPosts: 1,652 Captain
    I do not disagree with the not chumming by a beach.  Just not for people who approach the beach from the shore.  A boater could still chum all they wanted.  I believe the rule should be no chumming within a set proximity to the beach.
    The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones. Hopefully the next man is not dropping his stones on the mountain you are trying to move.
  • LostconchLostconch Posts: 1,060 Officer
    Ok does that mean no throwing white bait for inshore fish? This is why we need to be careful about making knee jerk laws.


  • swampmonsterswampmonster Posts: 344 Deckhand
    If people even chum from the beach it is useless and they probably will stop doing it. The bigger picture is business controlling the beach through the FWC. Next will be limiting fishing areas, then more areas. The surf fisherman will end up driving to remote areas to fish. 
  • bgeorgebgeorge Plant City FLPosts: 1,652 Captain
    Lostconch said:
    Ok does that mean no throwing white bait for inshore fish? This is why we need to be careful about making knee jerk laws.


    Would be ok for boaters to throw as much as they wanted.  Shore fishermen fishing same area may not be able to if there is enough sand to support a sunbather at high tide.  

    Major amounts of the panhandle coast is beach even though there is a lot of it that the crowds do not go to swim at.
    The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones. Hopefully the next man is not dropping his stones on the mountain you are trying to move.
  • petedoggiedogpetedoggiedog Posts: 206 Deckhand
    i am 68 yrs old and a florida native. in all my years, i cannot remember a single incident where any shore based fishing, involving chumming or other manner of taking fish has caused injury to anyone. period. since the movie jaws came out, there has been a hysteria against fishermen sharking on the beach or nearshore. beware surf fishermen, they don't want us out either. bad for tourism. 
  • andrewthe1andrewthe1 Posts: 801 Officer
    shrimp boats "chum" when they cull there catch to the tune of hundreds of pounds of helpless dead sea critters but i digress
    we need more internet money
  • JustDaveJustDave Jacksonville FlPosts: 194 Deckhand
    And no fishing pier cleaning station ever supplied ample amounts of “chum” that would attract toothy critters either........... ;););););)
    1995 Stratos 2500WA Twin 2013 200HO ETECS! 
  • bgeorgebgeorge Plant City FLPosts: 1,652 Captain
    JustDave said:
    And no fishing pier cleaning station ever supplied ample amounts of “chum” that would attract toothy critters either........... ;););););)
    Maybe they will give you a bag to take the scraps home with you.  Paper of course because plastic is so bad.
    The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones. Hopefully the next man is not dropping his stones on the mountain you are trying to move.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    If people don't chum from the shore, why does a rule banning chumming from the shore upset folks?
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • SaltygatorvetSaltygatorvet TallahasseePosts: 5,807 Admiral
    Do people from Florida shark fish? I thought it was a tourist thing
    You should have been here yesterday
  • ScoutboatScoutboat Posts: 2,565 Captain
    If people even chum from the beach it is useless and they probably will stop doing it. The bigger picture is business controlling the beach through the FWC. Next will be limiting fishing areas, then more areas. The surf fisherman will end up driving to remote areas to fish. 
    Swampy,
    I think that the regulation would impact fairly small areas adjacent to the the swimming beaches.
  • JustKeepSwimmingJustKeepSwimming Posts: 256 Deckhand
    bgeorge said:
    At the most recent FWC meeting they passed a draft rule prohibiting any chumming from a beach or wade fishing from the beach.  Beach = sandy area with enough sand at high tide to support a sunbather.  Chum is any natural or artificial product that can attract marine life.

    They say this is to protect people but a boater can come in and put out as much chum at the beach as they want.  

    When asked about it they said that they could not find anyone who chums from shore.  This includes any person throwing out whitebait to get the snook bite on or people putting out fish food to get bait concentrated so that they can cast net them.

    Can someone let me know if I am crazy to not believe that only people who own boats are chumming fish and bait up?
    Am I reading this correctly they are wanting to ban wade fishing from the beach? 

    I don't fish beaches full of people I always walk well away from anybody, but banning wade fishing from any beach seems crazy. Hopefully I'm misunderstanding this and they are only wanting to stop people wade fishing in front of bathers?
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    Wade fishing isn't on their list.

    https://myfwc.com/news/all-news/shark-fishing/
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • RareRare Posts: 248 Deckhand
    kellercl said:
    If people don't chum from the shore, why does a rule banning chumming from the shore upset folks?

    Just another stepping stone in a direction they(we) don't want to go in... 
  • LostconchLostconch Posts: 1,060 Officer
    Because they never stop with banning one thing. If the waterfront owners get this through they will want to restrict when or where or something else next. You have to remember many of the people that bought on the beach are of the impredd8on that they own the beach



  • JustKeepSwimmingJustKeepSwimming Posts: 256 Deckhand
    kellercl said:
    Wade fishing isn't on their list.

    https://myfwc.com/news/all-news/shark-fishing/
    Thanks. 
  • bgeorgebgeorge Plant City FLPosts: 1,652 Captain
    bgeorge said:
    At the most recent FWC meeting they passed a draft rule prohibiting any chumming from a beach or wade fishing from the beach.  Beach = sandy area with enough sand at high tide to support a sunbather.  Chum is any natural or artificial product that can attract marine life.

    They say this is to protect people but a boater can come in and put out as much chum at the beach as they want.  

    When asked about it they said that they could not find anyone who chums from shore.  This includes any person throwing out whitebait to get the snook bite on or people putting out fish food to get bait concentrated so that they can cast net them.

    Can someone let me know if I am crazy to not believe that only people who own boats are chumming fish and bait up?
    Am I reading this correctly they are wanting to ban wade fishing from the beach? 

    I don't fish beaches full of people I always walk well away from anybody, but banning wade fishing from any beach seems crazy. Hopefully I'm misunderstanding this and they are only wanting to stop people wade fishing in front of bathers?
    They are not looking to stop wade fishing or even shark fishing.  Just you can not put anything in the water that may attract a fish if you are fishing in proximity to a beach and you are not in a vessel unless it is on your hook.

    Was talking to a LEO tonight and even cleaning fish at beach proximity could come into play.  The real question was in how a beach is sandy and has room for a sunbather.  They questioned what the definition of a sunbather was and how much room do they need.  Funny thing could be if the sun is not up there can be no sandy area containing a sunbather.
    The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones. Hopefully the next man is not dropping his stones on the mountain you are trying to move.
  • JustKeepSwimmingJustKeepSwimming Posts: 256 Deckhand
    It would be interesting to know how many people chum from the beach? Anybody got any ideas?

    It's not something I've ever done from the beach regardless of the type of fishing or seen. 

    I'd also like to see their argument for no chumming, it's not like things aren't swimming out with or without people chumming. Schools of bait fish bring in everything else, what are they going to do? politely ask the bait fish to please swim somewhere else...
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    I know people who kayak out chum (frozen block) and drop it off.  
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • SaltygatorvetSaltygatorvet TallahasseePosts: 5,807 Admiral
    I’ve seen people chumming ( while sitting on a piling that had a no fishing sign) and shark fishing right by alligator point marina. It was during the day and there were kids swimming in front in the condos less than 100 yards away. It’s not a beach, but is adjacent to a beach.
    You should have been here yesterday
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 11,772 AG
    I've read the proposed rules and they seem sensible to me.  
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • JustDaveJustDave Jacksonville FlPosts: 194 Deckhand
    If only they would ban people feed the **** Flying Searats! Nothing worse than some JA opening a bag of chips 20 yards away and drawing every seagull for 20miles to come eat them. 
    1995 Stratos 2500WA Twin 2013 200HO ETECS! 
  • spanglerspangler daBurgPosts: 2,775 Captain
    edited December 2018 #31
    I can't believe they're gonna prohibit chumming for any species.. silly.  And if no one's doing it, the question shouldn't be why do we have a problem banning it, but why are we wasting time, energy, money and resources on the matter?  THAT is the real problem.  Fixing made up problems...
    I don't really shark fish anymore.  When I was a kid, oh man.  What kid that fishes wouldn't find this exciting.  Isn't that important too?  To let kids explore and have adventure.  So to fix this 'problem' you stifle a bunch of kids from doing something they perceive as exciting and a whole lot of fun.  Instead, they'll just stay in and play minecraft..
    I believe shark fishing absolutely helped hook me on fishing.  Even though I loved fishing long before I started targeting sharks, a young boy does reach that age where a little thrill and excitement go a long way.  Gotta stop slowly taking all the fun out of this before it's just too much hassle...
    At least the kids whose Dads have boats won't have to worry...................
    There will never be a really free and enlightened state until the state comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived.
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