Red tide problem -- Be pro -active

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  • saltyseniorsaltysenior Posts: 794 Officer
    what the hell has the sugar farming to do with red tide ????
  • Ron@.38 Special[email protected] Special Posts: 6,831 Admiral
    Seriously Dude, 

    How are we going to stop the environmental problems in Florida when every time something happens its big sugar!

    Red tide is a natural occurrence that has been going on for 100's of years at least, maybe hudreds of thousands
  • butts182butts182 Posts: 165 Deckhand
    EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS LINK, PLEASE TAKE THE TWO MINUTES:
    http://myfwc.com/research/redtide/faq/

  • gmccgmcc Posts: 10 Greenhorn
    Good info in the red tide faq.  Thanks for posting
  • GarysmoGarysmo Ft. Pierce, FloridaPosts: 554 Officer
    butts182 said:
    EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS LINK, PLEASE TAKE THE TWO MINUTES:
    http://myfwc.com/research/redtide/faq/

    Great article..thanks for posting
  • pottydocpottydoc Posts: 2,416 Captain
     The fact that the link says Bull Sugar in it should be enough to let everyone know that whatever it’s about will be blamed on Big Sugar and Rick Scott. I’m sure that BS will tell us that sending the Red tide south will take care of the problem, also. 
  • John McKroidJohn McKroid Posts: 1,628 Captain
  • John McKroidJohn McKroid Posts: 1,628 Captain
    Seriously Dude, 

    How are we going to stop the environmental problems in Florida when every time something happens its big sugar!

    Red tide is a natural occurrence that has been going on for 100's of years at least, maybe hudreds of thousands
    Seriously Dude,

    Read up on it.  It's a complicated issue, but I doubt anyone will deny the fact that everytime Okeechobee water is released, algae blooms form that kill marine life.  Before big sugar was around, the natural flow into the Everglades, filtered the water.  People blame industries for impeding this natural filtration system.
  • John McKroidJohn McKroid Posts: 1,628 Captain
    butts182 said:
    EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS LINK, PLEASE TAKE THE TWO MINUTES:
    http://myfwc.com/research/redtide/faq/

    It's a good read, but while attempting to be direct, is actually illusive and misleading as it is only talking about 1 type of red tide caused by K. Bevis, which it calls," The Florida Red Tide."

    "Has coastal (nutrient) pollution caused the Florida red tide?
    Florida red tides develop 10-40 miles offshore, away from man-made nutrient sources. In contrast to the many red tide species that are fueled by nutrient pollution associated with urban or agricultural runoff, there is no direct link between nutrient pollution and the frequency or initiation of red tides caused by K. brevis." 

    OK, great info about red tides caused by K. brevis.  BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RED TIDES "FUELED BY NUTRIENT POLLUTION ASSOCIATED WITH URBAN AND AGRICULTURAL RUNOFF ? !!

         
  • John McKroidJohn McKroid Posts: 1,628 Captain
    gmcc said:
    Good info in the red tide faq.  Thanks for posting
    Good info on red tides caused by K.brevis, but one has to consider that most the dead sea life around the canal outfalls of Lake Okeechobee are caused by other species of red tides.
  • John McKroidJohn McKroid Posts: 1,628 Captain
    pottydoc said:
     The fact that the link says Bull Sugar in it should be enough to let everyone know that whatever it’s about will be blamed on Big Sugar and Rick Scott. I’m sure that BS will tell us that sending the Red tide south will take care of the problem, also. 
    Do you have a better solution ?
  • saltyseniorsaltysenior Posts: 794 Officer
    pottydoc said:
     The fact that the link says Bull Sugar in it should be enough to let everyone know that whatever it’s about will be blamed on Big Sugar and Rick Scott. I’m sure that BS will tell us that sending the Red tide south will take care of the problem, also. 
    Do you have a better solution ?

  • John McKroidJohn McKroid Posts: 1,628 Captain
     
    Do you have a better solution ?


  • blakhawkdocblakhawkdoc Posts: 198 Deckhand
    John,
    Big sugar is not the only problem and Lake O does not cause the algae blooms it only feeds them. Red tide has been around before Lake O was built and when the water was flowing south and being filtered. The green blue algae has been found in canals that arent linked to Lake O.  Both of these statements show that Lake O isn't the cause; however when we have heavy rain and the water temps are warm the conditions are right for the algae blooms which then feed on the nutrient rich water from the lake discharge. But Lake O isn't the only thing feeding it. You have run off from rains and septic tanks leaching into the water ways. But that narrative isn't talked about because there is no money to be had in that. Anyways when we post things that are one sided and dont provide all the facts its propaganda and is more harmful to the cause than good. This is just my two cents. Have a good day.
  • pottydocpottydoc Posts: 2,416 Captain
    pottydoc said:
     The fact that the link says Bull Sugar in it should be enough to let everyone know that whatever it’s about will be blamed on Big Sugar and Rick Scott. I’m sure that BS will tell us that sending the Red tide south will take care of the problem, also. 
    Do you have a better solution ?
    A better solution than sending red tide south? Maybe you could explain how we would do that. 

    As far as a better solution, I think I’ll go with what guys like Ron, who does that kind of stuff for a living, by the way, recommends. Not a pipe dream by people who only know what the read on the internet.  
  • John McKroidJohn McKroid Posts: 1,628 Captain
    edited October 8 #17
    John,
    Big sugar is not the only problem and Lake O does not cause the algae blooms it only feeds them. Red tide has been around before Lake O was built and when the water was flowing south and being filtered. The green blue algae has been found in canals that arent linked to Lake O.  Both of these statements show that Lake O isn't the cause; however when we have heavy rain and the water temps are warm the conditions are right for the algae blooms which then feed on the nutrient rich water from the lake discharge. But Lake O isn't the only thing feeding it. You have run off from rains and septic tanks leaching into the water ways. But that narrative isn't talked about because there is no money to be had in that. Anyways when we post things that are one sided and dont provide all the facts its propaganda and is more harmful to the cause than good. This is just my two cents. Have a good day.
    There are many sources causing the problem.  Plenty of chemical run off everywhere adding to the algae growth, and places like Ft. Lauderdale, that charge high water bills to fund sewage repairs, and then repeatedly sweep the money into the general fund  instead of using the tariff for the needed repairs !   If my post gets people thinking, it's a good thing.  Propaganda ? like the rebuttal posts framing K.Brevis as the "Florida Red Tide" which is not caused by Lake O ?  Wow, tell the people that have lost their businesses that one.  
  • John McKroidJohn McKroid Posts: 1,628 Captain
    pottydoc said:
    pottydoc said:
     The fact that the link says Bull Sugar in it should be enough to let everyone know that whatever it’s about will be blamed on Big Sugar and Rick Scott. I’m sure that BS will tell us that sending the Red tide south will take care of the problem, also. 
    Do you have a better solution ?
    A better solution than sending red tide south? Maybe you could explain how we would do that. 

    As far as a better solution, I think I’ll go with what guys like Ron, who does that kind of stuff for a living, by the way, recommends. Not a pipe dream by people who only know what the read on the internet.  


    Pottydoc,
    I wish you had taken a moment to read the link before replying negatively.  The original post does recommend sending the water Sth and explains why.  

    A College professor who get paid grants to study the problem say's,  It's complicated, and as of now, the best solution is to send the water Sth and revitalize the Everglades natural filtration system to absorb the nutrients.  By sending the  water into the Everglades, the plant life has a chance to absorb the nutrients.  Once the nutrients get absorbed, the algae food is gone, and so are the chances of red tides.  
  • Reel TealReel Teal Posts: 3,178 Captain
    edited October 8 #19
    The water is not going south. People need to get that through their head. Half our states population lives on what used to be a natural wetland now called "south florida" and the natives dont want your nasty water.

    Better find a way to clean the water quicker, bc you're never going to get "clean" water again. 
  • CaptJCaptJ Posts: 630 Officer
    12 years to solve global warming or else! Red Tide? Fake News! 
  • blakhawkdocblakhawkdoc Posts: 198 Deckhand
    John,
    Big sugar is not the only problem and Lake O does not cause the algae blooms it only feeds them. Red tide has been around before Lake O was built and when the water was flowing south and being filtered. The green blue algae has been found in canals that arent linked to Lake O.  Both of these statements show that Lake O isn't the cause; however when we have heavy rain and the water temps are warm the conditions are right for the algae blooms which then feed on the nutrient rich water from the lake discharge. But Lake O isn't the only thing feeding it. You have run off from rains and septic tanks leaching into the water ways. But that narrative isn't talked about because there is no money to be had in that. Anyways when we post things that are one sided and dont provide all the facts its propaganda and is more harmful to the cause than good. This is just my two cents. Have a good day.
    There are many sources causing the problem.  Plenty of chemical run off everywhere adding to the algae growth, and places like Ft. Lauderdale, that charge high water bills to fund sewage repairs, and then repeatedly sweep the money into the general fund  instead of using the tariff for the needed repairs !   If my post gets people thinking, it's a good thing.  Propaganda ? like the rebuttal posts framing K.Brevis as the "Florida Red Tide" which is not caused by Lake O ?  Wow, tell the people that have lost their businesses that one.  
    Could you provide proof that Lake O discharge causes Red Tide? All the research I have done shows red tide starts off shore, 10 to 40 miles to be more exact. I didnt realize that Lake O discharge effected the ocean that far out, but I am open to seeing the proof you have. John, I could be wrong but I believe you are confusing your algae blooms. Blue green algae blooms are effected by Lake O discharge; however they are not caused by Lake O. There were several canals that had algae blooms that were not connected to Lake O, so maybe you can explain that to me. I am all for clean water but, in my opinion, when you push a misinformed narrative you hurt the situation more than you help it. Please provide any and all proof you have. Thank you.
  • A synopsis for you all:

    A long time ago we made decisions on drainage that prevent the Everglades from ever being a natural flow system. I si now and will always be an engineered drainage system.

    OK so a long time ago the Corp of Engineers decided we needed to channelize the Kissimmee river.  That took out the natural wetland which were filtering nutrients.  Back then the old Lake O was not so bad.

    Then later in history, we had the Hurricane Katrina. Hurricane K resulted in significant levee failures so we came up with new levee design standards.  Several project under construction such as 10 mile creek water preserve suffered after being built because now the levees did not meet design standards, but the big one was Lake Okeechobee.

    That force the Corp of Engineers to limit water levels in Lake O essentially limiting its capacity, 

    Two things happened with this, one, we could not store water for as long in the lake and that affected water quality. But no we had to discharge to the East and West to keep it safe.

    So we removed the filter that was cleaning water to the North then lost our retention time in the big lake.

    Double wammy to the environment.

    OK, so send it South

    Ever hear of the Miccosuki Indians? While the Seminole were building casinos, the Miccosuki Indians hired former US attorney Dexter Leiten to sue the pant off anyone who dumped dirty water thru the Indians historic everglades.

    So then we built the STormwater Treatment Areas which filter and clean up Big Sugars waters..

    OK so they passed the WRDA yesterday and we now have money coming for our Southern Reservoir formerly known as the EAA reservoir.

    Oh, the EAA, what happened to that, I thought we had that under construction a long time ago. Well, we did, but remember this, the Environmental groups sued to stop it saying we were spending public money to build a reservoir that only helped Big Sugar so they spend $250 million closing out the contract and we got nothing.

    Now full circle, we are building an EAA. But now we have to build several thousand acres of new Stormwater Treatment Areas to clean up the EAA water before it hits the Indians.

    7-10 years before we see water in the EAA, and maybe 10 more before we have a completely operating system.

    But don't worry, if we send too much water South, we change the salinity of Florida Bay, so have we really solved anything with billions of dollars?

    So get used to green algae, it will be here for a long time, but No, we don't want top clean up water at the source, we want to move it a couple hundred miles a gallon at a time, and then figure out how to clean up 100 times the volume of water if we stopped it at the source.


    But, But, But, its Big Sugar, Bull Sugar, Bull ****!
  • Ron@.38 Special[email protected] Special Posts: 6,831 Admiral
    edited October 11 #23
    A synopsis for you all:

    A long time ago we made decisions on drainage that prevent the Everglades from ever being a natural flow system. I is now and will always be an engineered drainage system.

    OK so a long time ago the Corp of Engineers decided we needed to channelize the Kissimmee river.  That took out the natural wetland which were filtering nutrients.  Back then the old Lake O was not so bad.

    Then later in history, we had the Hurricane Katrina. Hurricane K resulted in significant levee failures so we came up with new levee design standards.  Several project under construction such as 10 mile creek water preserve suffered after being built because now the levees did not meet design standards, but the big one was Lake Okeechobee.

    That force the Corp of Engineers to limit water levels in Lake O essentially limiting its capacity, 

    Two things happened with this, one, we could not store water for as long in the lake and that affected water quality. But no we had to discharge to the East and West to keep it safe.

    So we removed the filter that was cleaning water to the North then lost our retention time in the big lake.

    Double wammy to the environment.

    OK, so send it South

    Ever hear of the Miccosuki Indians? While the Seminole were building casinos, the Miccosuki Indians hired former US attorney Dexter Leiten to sue the pants off anyone who dumped dirty water thru the Indians historic everglades.

    So then we built the STormwater Treatment Areas which filter and clean up Big Sugars waters..

    OK so they passed the WRDA yesterday and we now have money coming for our Southern Reservoir formerly known as the EAA reservoir.

    Oh, the EAA, what happened to that, I thought we had that under construction a long time ago. Well, we did, but remember this, the Environmental groups sued to stop it saying we were spending public money to build a reservoir that only helped Big Sugar so they spend $250 million closing out the contract and we got nothing.

    Now full circle, we are building an EAA. But now we have to build several thousand acres of new Stormwater Treatment Areas to clean up the EAA water before it hits the Indians.

    7-10 years before we see water in the EAA, and maybe 10 more before we have a completely operating system.

    But don't worry, if we send too much water South, we change the salinity of Florida Bay, so have we really solved anything with billions of dollars?

    So get used to green algae, it will be here for a long time, but No, we don't want top clean up water at the source, we want to move it a couple hundred miles a gallon at a time

    Sp most of us will die and leave this problem to our kids before it is fixed. It take a statewide effort on sewage and septic tanks, fresh water runnoff from farms, dairies, and urban areas, control of fertilizers and pesticides, and a big bunch of help from Mother Nature.
  • FrydaddyFrydaddy Boynton BeachPosts: 416 Deckhand
    Sounds good to me :#
  • John McKroidJohn McKroid Posts: 1,628 Captain
    John,
    Big sugar is not the only problem and Lake O does not cause the algae blooms it only feeds them. Red tide has been around before Lake O was built and when the water was flowing south and being filtered. The green blue algae has been found in canals that arent linked to Lake O.  Both of these statements show that Lake O isn't the cause; however when we have heavy rain and the water temps are warm the conditions are right for the algae blooms which then feed on the nutrient rich water from the lake discharge. But Lake O isn't the only thing feeding it. You have run off from rains and septic tanks leaching into the water ways. But that narrative isn't talked about because there is no money to be had in that. Anyways when we post things that are one sided and dont provide all the facts its propaganda and is more harmful to the cause than good. This is just my two cents. Have a good day.
    There are many sources causing the problem.  Plenty of chemical run off everywhere adding to the algae growth, and places like Ft. Lauderdale, that charge high water bills to fund sewage repairs, and then repeatedly sweep the money into the general fund  instead of using the tariff for the needed repairs !   If my post gets people thinking, it's a good thing.  Propaganda ? like the rebuttal posts framing K.Brevis as the "Florida Red Tide" which is not caused by Lake O ?  Wow, tell the people that have lost their businesses that one.  
    Could you provide proof that Lake O discharge causes Red Tide? All the research I have done shows red tide starts off shore, 10 to 40 miles to be more exact. I didnt realize that Lake O discharge effected the ocean that far out, but I am open to seeing the proof you have. John, I could be wrong but I believe you are confusing your algae blooms. Blue green algae blooms are effected by Lake O discharge; however they are not caused by Lake O. There were several canals that had algae blooms that were not connected to Lake O, so maybe you can explain that to me. I am all for clean water but, in my opinion, when you push a misinformed narrative you hurt the situation more than you help it. Please provide any and all proof you have. Thank you.
    There is more than one cause of red tide.  The red tide that forms 10-40 miles offshore is from a different strain of algae than the red tides that form from the run off of chemicals in the waters released from Lake O.   Did you even take the time to watch the whole video before replying ?  Red tide is formed by algae blooms, so whatever you want to call it is a matter of semantics.  Of course there is run off from fertilizer and other chemicals in other parts of the state that are not connected to lake O.  The canal behind my home in Ft. Lauderdale is dead green most of the summer, and I believe the failing sewage system in the city may have something to do with it.  Glad that you are all for Clean water.  If you believe the narrative is misinformed, I would love to see all proof you have.  Thanks.  
  • John McKroidJohn McKroid Posts: 1,628 Captain
    A synopsis for you all:

    A long time ago we made decisions on drainage that prevent the Everglades from ever being a natural flow system. I is now and will always be an engineered drainage system.

    OK so a long time ago the Corp of Engineers decided we needed to channelize the Kissimmee river.  That took out the natural wetland which were filtering nutrients.  Back then the old Lake O was not so bad.

    Then later in history, we had the Hurricane Katrina. Hurricane K resulted in significant levee failures so we came up with new levee design standards.  Several project under construction such as 10 mile creek water preserve suffered after being built because now the levees did not meet design standards, but the big one was Lake Okeechobee.

    That force the Corp of Engineers to limit water levels in Lake O essentially limiting its capacity, 

    Two things happened with this, one, we could not store water for as long in the lake and that affected water quality. But no we had to discharge to the East and West to keep it safe.

    So we removed the filter that was cleaning water to the North then lost our retention time in the big lake.

    Double wammy to the environment.

    OK, so send it South

    Ever hear of the Miccosuki Indians? While the Seminole were building casinos, the Miccosuki Indians hired former US attorney Dexter Leiten to sue the pants off anyone who dumped dirty water thru the Indians historic everglades.

    So then we built the STormwater Treatment Areas which filter and clean up Big Sugars waters..

    OK so they passed the WRDA yesterday and we now have money coming for our Southern Reservoir formerly known as the EAA reservoir.

    Oh, the EAA, what happened to that, I thought we had that under construction a long time ago. Well, we did, but remember this, the Environmental groups sued to stop it saying we were spending public money to build a reservoir that only helped Big Sugar so they spend $250 million closing out the contract and we got nothing.

    Now full circle, we are building an EAA. But now we have to build several thousand acres of new Stormwater Treatment Areas to clean up the EAA water before it hits the Indians.

    7-10 years before we see water in the EAA, and maybe 10 more before we have a completely operating system.

    But don't worry, if we send too much water South, we change the salinity of Florida Bay, so have we really solved anything with billions of dollars?

    So get used to green algae, it will be here for a long time, but No, we don't want top clean up water at the source, we want to move it a couple hundred miles a gallon at a time

    Sp most of us will die and leave this problem to our kids before it is fixed. It take a statewide effort on sewage and septic tanks, fresh water runnoff from farms, dairies, and urban areas, control of fertilizers and pesticides, and a big bunch of help from Mother Nature.
    Thanks for the history lesson -- complicated issue.  I see your frustration with the environmentalists that blocked the original EAA plan, that would have helped the problem years ago, even if it can be viewed as a subsidy to big sugar.  I would bet the salinity of Florida bay was much lower prior to the sugar farms, so maybe when the water flows Sth again, it will be closer to what it was 100 years ago.  Maybe the citizens of Stuart and Ft Meyers should be hiring Dexter Leiten to sue the pants off of somebody for dumping dirty water on their coastlines ?   Even though only a small percentage of the algae forming run off is caused by farming, the fact that they have acquired and profit from the area that historically absorbed the nutrients that are causing all the mayhem should put them in a position of taking more responsibility for assisting in the solutions.   The original post says, to send the water Sth, your synopsis says likewise.  
  • saltyseniorsaltysenior Posts: 794 Officer
    one factor that adds to the problem is a super effective drainage system....both in urban ,suburban,and even agricultural areas...most of Florida has been altered to get rid of water where it is not wanted as soon as possible...and this still is going on as we ''develop''land every day 
  • gaggag Posts: 2 Greenhorn
    Deep well injection may possibly be the answer while the EAA is being built.  Pump it down not E,W or S.
  • blakhawkdocblakhawkdoc Posts: 198 Deckhand
    John,
    Big sugar is not the only problem and Lake O does not cause the algae blooms it only feeds them. Red tide has been around before Lake O was built and when the water was flowing south and being filtered. The green blue algae has been found in canals that arent linked to Lake O.  Both of these statements show that Lake O isn't the cause; however when we have heavy rain and the water temps are warm the conditions are right for the algae blooms which then feed on the nutrient rich water from the lake discharge. But Lake O isn't the only thing feeding it. You have run off from rains and septic tanks leaching into the water ways. But that narrative isn't talked about because there is no money to be had in that. Anyways when we post things that are one sided and dont provide all the facts its propaganda and is more harmful to the cause than good. This is just my two cents. Have a good day.
    There are many sources causing the problem.  Plenty of chemical run off everywhere adding to the algae growth, and places like Ft. Lauderdale, that charge high water bills to fund sewage repairs, and then repeatedly sweep the money into the general fund  instead of using the tariff for the needed repairs !   If my post gets people thinking, it's a good thing.  Propaganda ? like the rebuttal posts framing K.Brevis as the "Florida Red Tide" which is not caused by Lake O ?  Wow, tell the people that have lost their businesses that one.  
    Could you provide proof that Lake O discharge causes Red Tide? All the research I have done shows red tide starts off shore, 10 to 40 miles to be more exact. I didnt realize that Lake O discharge effected the ocean that far out, but I am open to seeing the proof you have. John, I could be wrong but I believe you are confusing your algae blooms. Blue green algae blooms are effected by Lake O discharge; however they are not caused by Lake O. There were several canals that had algae blooms that were not connected to Lake O, so maybe you can explain that to me. I am all for clean water but, in my opinion, when you push a misinformed narrative you hurt the situation more than you help it. Please provide any and all proof you have. Thank you.
    There is more than one cause of red tide.  The red tide that forms 10-40 miles offshore is from a different strain of algae than the red tides that form from the run off of chemicals in the waters released from Lake O.   Did you even take the time to watch the whole video before replying ?  Red tide is formed by algae blooms, so whatever you want to call it is a matter of semantics.  Of course there is run off from fertilizer and other chemicals in other parts of the state that are not connected to lake O.  The canal behind my home in Ft. Lauderdale is dead green most of the summer, and I believe the failing sewage system in the city may have something to do with it.  Glad that you are all for Clean water.  If you believe the narrative is misinformed, I would love to see all proof you have.  Thanks.  

    https://www.flseagrant.org/news/2018/08/understanding-the-florida-red-tide/?fbclid=IwAR3ARyBgF5EN2MoPXO4iLf9AsYwPMO9-UBNEDUKukY50IatFCKnqx7Cz0nw

    Here is one link with some good information about Florida's red tide. 

    I agree with you that red tide is caused by algae; however there are many different types of algae and only specific ones will cause red tide. The algae you are talking about in your canal is not the same that causes red tide off the cost. Its not semantics, its facts. Also I did watch the video, and there was a lot of miss information in it. That video was very biased and not empirical. Anyways I hope you get a chance to read the above article and get some of your questions answered correctly. Have a good day.
  • John McKroidJohn McKroid Posts: 1,628 Captain
    John,
    Big sugar is not the only problem and Lake O does not cause the algae blooms it only feeds them. Red tide has been around before Lake O was built and when the water was flowing south and being filtered. The green blue algae has been found in canals that arent linked to Lake O.  Both of these statements show that Lake O isn't the cause; however when we have heavy rain and the water temps are warm the conditions are right for the algae blooms which then feed on the nutrient rich water from the lake discharge. But Lake O isn't the only thing feeding it. You have run off from rains and septic tanks leaching into the water ways. But that narrative isn't talked about because there is no money to be had in that. Anyways when we post things that are one sided and dont provide all the facts its propaganda and is more harmful to the cause than good. This is just my two cents. Have a good day.
    There are many sources causing the problem.  Plenty of chemical run off everywhere adding to the algae growth, and places like Ft. Lauderdale, that charge high water bills to fund sewage repairs, and then repeatedly sweep the money into the general fund  instead of using the tariff for the needed repairs !   If my post gets people thinking, it's a good thing.  Propaganda ? like the rebuttal posts framing K.Brevis as the "Florida Red Tide" which is not caused by Lake O ?  Wow, tell the people that have lost their businesses that one.  
    Could you provide proof that Lake O discharge causes Red Tide? All the research I have done shows red tide starts off shore, 10 to 40 miles to be more exact. I didnt realize that Lake O discharge effected the ocean that far out, but I am open to seeing the proof you have. John, I could be wrong but I believe you are confusing your algae blooms. Blue green algae blooms are effected by Lake O discharge; however they are not caused by Lake O. There were several canals that had algae blooms that were not connected to Lake O, so maybe you can explain that to me. I am all for clean water but, in my opinion, when you push a misinformed narrative you hurt the situation more than you help it. Please provide any and all proof you have. Thank you.
    There is more than one cause of red tide.  The red tide that forms 10-40 miles offshore is from a different strain of algae than the red tides that form from the run off of chemicals in the waters released from Lake O.   Did you even take the time to watch the whole video before replying ?  Red tide is formed by algae blooms, so whatever you want to call it is a matter of semantics.  Of course there is run off from fertilizer and other chemicals in other parts of the state that are not connected to lake O.  The canal behind my home in Ft. Lauderdale is dead green most of the summer, and I believe the failing sewage system in the city may have something to do with it.  Glad that you are all for Clean water.  If you believe the narrative is misinformed, I would love to see all proof you have.  Thanks.  

    https://www.flseagrant.org/news/2018/08/understanding-the-florida-red-tide/?fbclid=IwAR3ARyBgF5EN2MoPXO4iLf9AsYwPMO9-UBNEDUKukY50IatFCKnqx7Cz0nw

    Here is one link with some good information about Florida's red tide. 

    I agree with you that red tide is caused by algae; however there are many different types of algae and only specific ones will cause red tide. The algae you are talking about in your canal is not the same that causes red tide off the cost. Its not semantics, its facts. Also I did watch the video, and there was a lot of miss information in it. That video was very biased and not empirical. Anyways I hope you get a chance to read the above article and get some of your questions answered correctly. Have a good day.
    Thanks for the link, I find that it contradicts and evades what I have read on other official looking links. What could be more empirical than seeing an air video showing the red tide spewing onto the ocean as it is discharges out of the ICW from Lake O and seeing the dead fish resulting from this spewing discharge ?   Certainly not a report, that was paid for by a grant from big industry !   The dictionary definition of red tide is an algae bloom.   How can one not call that semantics ?    I have already quoted above in this thread that the FWC acknowledges the urban and agriculture run off forms different species of red tide other than the K. Brevis that forms 10-40 miles offshore.    We are just not going to agree on this one.
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