no scallop shells in the river (Homosassa)

ChadChad Satellite Beach, FLPosts: 132 Deckhand
Hey guys been coming over and scalloping for years in Homosassa.  Annual trip this past weekend and this was the first time we were asked not to throw shells back in the canal and I saw some official gov't signs as well.  The place we rented asked not to put them in the trash either -  ****  - where then?  I mean I know there's alot of shells, but there's also alot of water.  I cant possibly imagine they are worried about raising the canal floor levels....  What's the deal/concern - another liberal movement to tell us more things we cant do?  Legitimate?

PS - fantastic conditions this past weekend.  We limited both days in short order.

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  • Soda PopinskiSoda Popinski GrovelandPosts: 11,138 AG
    we soak ours in 5 gallon buckets of bleach and add them to the rock bed in the back yard as decoration. 
    People use statistics the way a drunk uses a street light, for support rather than illumination.
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    edited August 2018 #4
    Nothing like out of towners blaming liberals for making them deal with their trashy ways in an environmentally friendly manner.
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  • Doc StressorDoc Stressor Homosassa, FLPosts: 2,497 Captain
    we soak ours in 5 gallon buckets of bleach and add them to the rock bed in the back yard as decoration.

    We used to do that also. They make nice beds and last a long time.
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    They are also pretty good, along with oyster shells for dirt drive ways.
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  • Soda PopinskiSoda Popinski GrovelandPosts: 11,138 AG
    we soak ours in 5 gallon buckets of bleach and add them to the rock bed in the back yard as decoration.

    We used to do that also. They make nice beds and last a long time.
    Looks good around the pool, we put them right over the white marble rocks we already have in those beds.   hopefully it keeps the neighbor's ******* cat out of there. 
    People use statistics the way a drunk uses a street light, for support rather than illumination.
  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 5,981 Admiral
    I put mine on the driveway. When I clean them i separate them from the guts so that I have just shells, they do smell for a day or two but not that bad. The real problem there is the darn ants. I have been dumping the guts into the river though. This could be a problem as mentioned above.
    Tight Lines, Steve
    My posts are my opinion only.

    Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.  Will Rogers
  • Soda PopinskiSoda Popinski GrovelandPosts: 11,138 AG
    does anyone save the guts as chum? 
    People use statistics the way a drunk uses a street light, for support rather than illumination.
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    Anyone ever eaten an entire scallop like an oyster? Apparently that is the way of the French.




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  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 5,981 Admiral
    edited August 2018 #11
    No thanks.
    I could see the addition of tons of shells in the river becoming a problem, especially around docks and such, they are filling in the water around the dock at the sunset condo in the Hatch. Not to mention oysters love to grow on them too.
    Those condos are rented a lot so the renters don't care.
    Tight Lines, Steve
    My posts are my opinion only.

    Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.  Will Rogers
  • ChadChad Satellite Beach, FLPosts: 132 Deckhand
    hey pedal boy - how about you go fornicate yourself.  Been on here alot longer than you have before you came on here with your french fry grease for gas smack talking.  Dont pretend to assume or know 1 thing about me or my ways.  If I didn't care, I would not have asked the question.  Direct your pessimism elsewhere.

    Doc - thank you very kindly.  Unfortunately, the home we rented only stated not to put in the river or the trash and I figured if they didn't want them in the river, they would not want piles of them taken back out in the gulf either - seems the same problems you mention for the river would persist for the gulf.  In the 20 years I have been coming over, this was the first I have seen or heard of this.  Happy to oblige from now on.  Sorry to hear all the pressure is declining the water quality.  We took the kids up to the springs to cool off and I noticed the spring water was not very clean, but wasn't sure if it was just recent rain related.  Declining water quality is sadly a major theme right now across our entire state.
  • Soda PopinskiSoda Popinski GrovelandPosts: 11,138 AG
    Are there shucking services on the Homosassa river?  I was wondering what they are doing with theirs.    
    People use statistics the way a drunk uses a street light, for support rather than illumination.
  • 4WARD4WARD Cross Creek,FLPosts: 1,438 Officer
    Chad said:
    hey pedal boy - how about you go fornicate yourself.  Been on here alot longer than you have before you came on here with your french fry grease for gas smack talking.  Dont pretend to assume or know 1 thing about me or my ways.  If I didn't care, I would not have asked the question.  Direct your pessimism elsewhere.

    Well there went that idea!
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    For they always bring me tears
    I can't forgive the way they rob me
    Of my childhood souvenirs"... John Prine
  • Westwall01Westwall01 Posts: 5,453 Admiral
    Chad said:
    hey pedal boy - how about you go fornicate yourself.  Been on here alot longer than you have before you came on here with your french fry grease for gas smack talking.  Dont pretend to assume or know 1 thing about me or my ways.  If I didn't care, I would not have asked the question.  Direct your pessimism elsewhere.
    lol
  • Jim311Jim311 Posts: 4,938 Captain
    Id put them in the trash anyway. I fail to see why it's any different than any other food trash. If you pay hundreds to rent a house they can deal with your garbage.
  • nicknick Crystal RiverPosts: 4,841 Captain
    edited August 2018 #17
    I’m still banned from a camp ground in cedar key for putting fish carcasses in a dumpster. 

    After they told me to.  :D :D
  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 5,981 Admiral
    If you bag them up so that they don't cause a huge mess then there should be no problem. The problem comes in when people just dump them without any consideration of others and it only takes a few to spoil it for all of us, unfortunately.
    Tight Lines, Steve
    My posts are my opinion only.

    Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.  Will Rogers
  • Doc StressorDoc Stressor Homosassa, FLPosts: 2,497 Captain
    The problem with putting them out in the garbage is that it only gets collected once a week and can stink up the neighborhood after a day or two.

    Dumping the guts and shells in the Gulf does no harm to the environment.  Almost all of the scallops die off after they spawn anyway. The shells would be out there even if nobody took any. 

    When you clean scallops out there the pinfish and remoras clean everything up about as fast as you can throw the stuff overboard. The shells eventually either dissolve in seawater or get ground up into hard sediment by wave action. 
  • ChadChad Satellite Beach, FLPosts: 132 Deckhand
    Jim311 said:
    Id put them in the trash anyway. I fail to see why it's any different than any other food trash. If you pay hundreds to rent a house they can deal with your garbage.
    Yes, this is what we ended up doing - bagging them up and leaving them in the garbage can.  I figured with as much as we were paying for the house and with them only telling me what I couldn't do with them, this seemed the reasonable answer.  Also as a side note, we were all very disappointed to see that there was no recycling in Homosassa as a large part of our weekend trash was recyclable (so we bagged it in the back of my truck and brought home to our local recycle container).  

    But I was more asking to find out what is behind this no shells in the river thing that is new (atleast as far as the posted signs).  I have a friend that has a house on the Chaz and he had no idea about it when I asked him.  The guy I asked that was a resident across from the house we rented said he now bags them up and puts them in the garbage, but then added "but there's alot of zealots around here", haha. 

    Also, I appreciate Doc's input, but the reasons mentioned for not putting them in the river would seem to apply for reasons to not putting them in the gulf too.  Not arguing the points made, just trying to understand.  It just seems non-intuitive to me that putting carcasses back in the water (thats what I always do) they are taken from (connected too) would be a bad thing, but I get that the numbers of people targeting scallops for 3 straight months is pretty large and the shells dont get taken down the way a fish carcass does in the water.  Taking the shells to the landfill could/would have it own issues too.  

    I would think for the county to post signs, there would have needed to be some study or something done that concluded it will cause issues over time, vs. just someone going "this might be an issue at some point, lets put some signs up".  Any one have any info on this?
  • Soda PopinskiSoda Popinski GrovelandPosts: 11,138 AG
    edited August 2018 #21
    I would have also thought that bagging them up and running them to the nearest gas station trash can would also have been fine.   If you were making multiple trips back into the gulf to scallop bring them with in a bucket next trip out and as you get out  just feather them into the water while you're running.   
    People use statistics the way a drunk uses a street light, for support rather than illumination.
  • Almost PerfectAlmost Perfect Posts: 577 Officer
    I don't know how many band-aids I go through every year from someone cutting themselves of scallop shells at the springs. Seems I'm the only one who carries a first aid kit on their boat sometimes. 

    I did break out the trauma kit one day but thank God I didn't have to use it but that's another story. 
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  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    edited August 2018 #23
    Chad said:
    hey pedal boy - how about you go fornicate yourself.  Been on here alot longer than you have before you came on here with your french fry grease for gas smack talking.  Dont pretend to assume or know 1 thing about me or my ways.  If I didn't care, I would not have asked the question.  Direct your pessimism elsewhere.

    Doc - thank you very kindly.  Unfortunately, the home we rented only stated not to put in the river or the trash and I figured if they didn't want them in the river, they would not want piles of them taken back out in the gulf either - seems the same problems you mention for the river would persist for the gulf.  In the 20 years I have been coming over, this was the first I have seen or heard of this.  Happy to oblige from now on.  Sorry to hear all the pressure is declining the water quality.  We took the kids up to the springs to cool off and I noticed the spring water was not very clean, but wasn't sure if it was just recent rain related.  Declining water quality is sadly a major theme right now across our entire state.
    You may have been around for a while, maybe long enough to actually use your brain and do some critical thinking.....
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  • ChadChad Satellite Beach, FLPosts: 132 Deckhand
    good, informative insight, thanks Doc. 
  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 5,981 Admiral
    Unfortunately many people may have to pull their boats when they return to the dock and so returning them to the gulf is the best way, it may not always be possible. Me personally I don't like sitting on the boat cleaning scallops, much more comfortable at home but I have a good way to dispose of them, aside from the guts. The shells will definitely accumulate over time and could cause real problems in areas like around docks if dumped there.

    In Steinhatchee you have to take your trash to the rolloff site, they do have recycle bins there but I don't see them used much, I just bag mine up and take it back to Tampa where I toss it into our recycle bin. Easy to do. Sadly people dump scallop shells everywhere and anywhere it seems.
    Tight Lines, Steve
    My posts are my opinion only.

    Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.  Will Rogers
  • PicmanPicman Posts: 238 Deckhand
    I clean them on My dock at home ,The fish love the guts and the shells make a nice addition to the bottom.. Archeologists are gonna be scratching there heads in the distant future...
  • brotherinlawbrotherinlaw Posts: 3,293 Captain

    I just dump mine along the fence between my place at the Hatch and the meth heads next door.


  • tampaspicertampaspicer Posts: 396 Deckhand


    The river used to be gin clear flowing freshwater down to at least Riverhaven with a bottom that was covered by eelgrass. That's all gone now due to the inflow of nutrients from a number of different human sources ranging from the enrichment of the groundwater itself to septic tanks and urban runoff. 



    A local group called the Homosassa River Alliance has been doing a lot to promote the preservation and hopefully the recovery of the river.  

    Doc,

    My grandfather had a houseboat on the Chaz when I was growing up. He put it on the river after I was born in 74 or 75. I grew on that river and it's sad to see what it once was and what it has now become. Most of the small springs at the ends of most creeks have all but stopped flowing. The river use to be full of fish and the eel grass (as well as eels) use to be everywhere. I know it's a combination of several things but the freshwater flow (or lack there of) has changed the river forever. Just look at how many trees have died on the Chaz over the years. Looks like a bomb went off. I wish someone would have done something years ago but it's never to late. Glad to hear Homosassa has an Alliance. 

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