Venezuela named world's most dangerous country

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  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,563 Admiral
    Socialism replaced their free market economy. Thus the shortages of goods and services. Thus the rise in violence. 
     A empty stomach will make good people do bad things. 
     So yes, socialism and a Marxist government is the problem. 
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  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 1,504 Captain
    edited June 13 #33
    If socialism were the problem all the safest countries would be capitalistic and all the violent ones socialistic... and that absolutely isn't the case.  This isn't my opinion, it is a cold hard fact.  Claiming otherwise reeks of bias and/or lack of intelligence.

    Edit

    China has one of the lowest murder rates per capita on the face of the planet....  conclusion they are capitalistic, right?  Right???
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 7,036 Admiral
    kellercl said:
    If socialism were the problem all the safest countries would be capitalistic and all the violent ones socialistic... and that absolutely isn't the case.  This isn't my opinion, it is a cold hard fact.  Claiming otherwise reeks of bias and/or lack of intelligence.

    Edit

    China has one of the lowest murder rates per capita on the face of the planet....  conclusion they are capitalistic, right?  Right???
    Conclusion ; their totalitarian laws are draconian. Are the citizens safer just because the rulers are the ones that commit atrocities? Unlikely.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 1,504 Captain
    edited June 13 #35
    dave44 said:
    kellercl said:
    If socialism were the problem all the safest countries would be capitalistic and all the violent ones socialistic... and that absolutely isn't the case.  This isn't my opinion, it is a cold hard fact.  Claiming otherwise reeks of bias and/or lack of intelligence.

    Edit

    China has one of the lowest murder rates per capita on the face of the planet....  conclusion they are capitalistic, right?  Right???
    Conclusion ; their totalitarian laws are draconian. Are the citizens safer just because the rulers are the ones that commit atrocities? Unlikely.
    Exactly my point, thanks.  Safety is driven by way more factors than simply economic system.  Canada has a way lower crime rate compared to the usa...  conclusion they are more capitalistic than we are!!!

    Come on folks, seriously?  Drop the blatant bias and accept the data. The gross over simplification being put forth is literally one of the dumbest things I have ever read.  
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 7,036 Admiral
    Marxism, socialism and Communism never limit themselves to an economic system. Corruption, power and greed seems to always take over. The nature of humans won’t be contained that way.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 1,504 Captain
    dave44 said:
    Marxism, socialism and Communism never limit themselves to an economic system. Corruption, power and greed seems to always take over. The nature of humans won’t be contained that way.
    I've been to multiple European countries, they are exceptionally safe.  So is canada...  But believe whatever baseless theory you want to believe.  No skin of my back.  
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 7,036 Admiral
    kellercl said:
    dave44 said:
    Marxism, socialism and Communism never limit themselves to an economic system. Corruption, power and greed seems to always take over. The nature of humans won’t be contained that way.
    I've been to multiple European countries, they are exceptionally safe.  So is canada...  But believe whatever baseless theory you want to believe.  No skin of my back.  
    Well that’s lucky, then.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 19,080 AG
    edited June 13 #39
    Venezuela and many other countries in that region and across the world are enormous failures.  To say Venezuela's problems were caused by socialism (or their violence by strict gun laws) is idiotic.  To do so when staring at a list of countries that you would describe as socialist is emblematic of the cognitive disconnect I am unable to bridge.  I was idiotic to think otherwise.
    Well it sure as hell wasn't the fault of the free-market!! 
    No it wasn't. 

    It was human greed, government corruption, Chavez and Maduro and their military cronies. Socialism never had an opportunity to fail. (not saying it would have or would not have.)
    Well it kinda did... it was implemented on a full-scale basis and has failed miserably. Socialism only looks like it works when you dont bleed off too much from a capitalistic system that hosts it.
  • ferris1248ferris1248 Posts: 1,501 Moderator
    edited June 13 #40
    Abelman said:
    Yep, this thread is not in the least bit political.

    It is so far a discussion about governmental philosophies. It is not about personal attacks or name calling. Some seem to have a problem keeping the two separate.
    Yeah, you people really are idiots. I get trash canned last night for something not even political because it was "political" and I look at this. 

    Back in the day, I was asked to mod OT, I didn't because nobody seems to know who is in charge of this place. 

    I will say, my concerns are still intact. 

    I find it amusing that the people you and mac snatcher mock and call idiots continue to let you spew your venom and do not ban you permanently from FS. Yet you whine and complain about censorship. If what you and mac snatcher  say were true, you would be banned permanently.
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  • Westwall01Westwall01 Posts: 4,793 Captain
    kellercl said:
    dave44 said:
    Marxism, socialism and Communism never limit themselves to an economic system. Corruption, power and greed seems to always take over. The nature of humans won’t be contained that way.
    I've been to multiple European countries, they are exceptionally safe.  So is canada...  But believe whatever baseless theory you want to believe.  No skin of my back.  

    I've traveled throughout Europe as well and while I can agree with you to a certain extent, you haven't left the tourist areas if your using that as a blanket statement for all European countries.
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,563 Admiral
    kellercl said:
    dave44 said:
    Marxism, socialism and Communism never limit themselves to an economic system. Corruption, power and greed seems to always take over. The nature of humans won’t be contained that way.
    I've been to multiple European countries, they are exceptionally safe.  So is canada...  But believe whatever baseless theory you want to believe.  No skin of my back.  
    Unlike you I travel extensively in my country. And have no problems. It’s perhaps the safest country in the world! If not, then why are people clamoring to come here?
     I suggest you move from that dangerous neighborhood you live in. 
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  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,563 Admiral
    kellercl said:
    dave44 said:
    Marxism, socialism and Communism never limit themselves to an economic system. Corruption, power and greed seems to always take over. The nature of humans won’t be contained that way.
    I've been to multiple European countries, they are exceptionally safe.  So is canada...  But believe whatever baseless theory you want to believe.  No skin of my back.  

    I've traveled throughout Europe as well and while I can agree with you to a certain extent, you haven't left the tourist areas if your using that as a blanket statement for all European countries.
    I’ve seen reports that Marssalle (spell) France is the most dangerous town in Europe?
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  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 1,504 Captain
    @mustang ;

    LMAO.  I don't even know where to begin with the amount of inaccuracies in your posts.  Wow, just wow.

    For the record I have lived all over this country and no, it isn't the safest country in the world.  It is very safe, but nowhere near the safest.  Claiming otherwise is a blatant lie.
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,563 Admiral
    What’s inaccurate? I have no trouble whatsoever. 
    I’m sure someone like you attracts trouble or looks for it?
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  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 1,504 Captain
    What’s inaccurate? I have no trouble whatsoever. 
    I’m sure someone like you attracts trouble or looks for it?
    It is curious that you believe in the second amendment so you can protect yourself and your home....  yet claim our country is uber safe with no level of concern....  lol

    Regardless, you have a clear bias and do not have the ability to alter your preconceived notions...  so I don't see the point in continuing this discourse.  
  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 10,471 AG
    Still not political
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • DropTheHammerDropTheHammer East CoastPosts: 558 Officer
    It's decision making and being A victim of your surroundings.
    If you're around it all the time. It's going to catch up with you.
    If you feel it's getting out of hand, then it needs to be contained.
    Not good at all for physical or mental health. No one is born
    manipulative and deceitful. That eventually leads to rage.



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  • fins4mefins4me Posts: 14,047 AG
    The further involved a government is in a nations economy the more likely it is to foment corruption and devolve the economy and nation as a whole.

    There are exceptions,,,, or maybe they are simply delayed in the process.
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  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,563 Admiral
    edited June 15 #50
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  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 10,471 AG
    Still not political
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 1,504 Captain
    Still not political
    If you don't like it here,  why do you come here?  Just to be super annoying?
  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 10,471 AG
    Am I annoying you by speaking the truth?
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • ferris1248ferris1248 Posts: 1,501 Moderator
    Still not political
    You really do not have a clue, do you? You certainly do not offer much to the thread.
    "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."

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  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 10,471 AG
    Just pointing out the obvious
    That's what I bring.
    Sorry if you don't see it.
    And for the record, I NEVER posted in Politics when we had it here.
    I just want things to be clear.
    Are political discussions allowed or not?
    I was under the impression they were not.
    If I'm wrong please feel free to correct me.
    If I'm not? why is this thread still here?.
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  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 9,563 Admiral
    Because it’s not about “politics “ per say. It’s about economics and a totally failed and debunked economic system called socialism. 
    Its just that some here think it’s the best system. No matter how often they are proven wrong. 
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  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 4,232 Captain
    I have a friend that used to work there for Citco back in the '90's he made some good money and got out just in time.
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  • ferris1248ferris1248 Posts: 1,501 Moderator
    Because it’s not about “politics “ per say. It’s about economics and a totally failed and debunked economic system called socialism. 
    Its just that some here think it’s the best system. No matter how often they are proven wrong. 
    What he said.
    "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."

    Rabbi Hillel (c20 BCE)
  • tagtag Posts: 8,742 Admiral
    Socialism makes one lazy. It takes away incentive to excel. Why work hard when you receive the same low wage. Socialism works well until you run out of other people’s money. Then crime rises, violent crime soon after. 
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