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• Saltwater Junkie Posts: 1,086 Officer

  April 2018 #2

  Depends on the weather...I go offshore in my 189 anytime the weathers good. A 10 to 15 mile run is a 30 minute ride. I fish places in the gulf the twice as far. In the summer I'll go dolphin fishing offshore and come back in before the afternoon thunder storms.
  
  Now if you're set on a bigger boat there are lots of choices...Jupiter 25 Bay, Hells Bay Estero, Barker Bay Boat, Malvado 26 and others.

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• 91tiger Posts: 555 Officer

  April 2018 #3

  I had a 189 and went to a 2011 and love it.  The bow rides a little higher on the 2011 when slow trolling or sitting but it's still a pretty low sided boat.  I take mine 10 to 15 miles out in the gulf off the Everglades, but not as much as Pete (he's the master out there from what I have been told).  I definitely pick my days to go out there.  It doesn't have to be flat calm but it needs to be reasonable.  Last year we were on a hot Permit bite on a wreck and didn't notice the huge storms building back towards the mainland.  It got pretty sporty on our ride back in and I took plenty of water in the face and could only run about 17 MPH.  It never felt dangerous, but there was no getting it up on top of the waves at 40 like you normally can with that boat. 

  I think I would look at the Moccasin too for what you are describing.  Even higher sides and you are standing up or on a lean post running which helps in big water.  I've started putting a little Yeti Roadie with a cushion on top of my seat cushion in the 2011 when I run and it acts like a leaning post and it never moves with the back rest back there.  It's especially nice running at night or rougher water from a higher vantage point like that. 

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• TXWahoo Posts: 572 Officer

  April 2018 edited April 2018 #4

  I think the Moccasin 210 is better suited to offshore than the 2011 and I use mine quite a bit offshore but it is never ideal for it.  You just have to find that balance you're happy with.
  
  While I routinely get my boat very shallow, the truth is most of the fish I catch are in 3-5ft of water not 1-2ft.  Maybe if I had a 16' skiff that may change a bit but if I was serious about more offshore I would be looking at something bigger like a bay/cc hybrid.  I'm partial to the Jupiter 25 Bay or Barker open layout as opposed to a 25ft flats boat layout for offshore.  Of course, I can't afford a quality built 25' boat like that so I'm sticking with my Moccasin for the time being.
  
  Someone convince Frank to build a sub-$100K 24-25ft bay boat.  Short of that, I would look at picking up a 3 year old Contender 25 Bay for about $90K.

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• Saltwater Junkie Posts: 1,086 Officer

  April 2018 #5

  TXWahoo said:

  I think the Moccasin 210 is better suited to offshore than the 2011 and I use mine quite a bit offshore but it is never ideal for it.  You just have to find that balance you're happy with.
  
  While I routinely get my boat very shallow, the truth is most of the fish I catch are in 3-5ft of water not 1-2ft.  Maybe if I had a 16' skiff that may change a bit but if I was serious about more offshore I would be looking at something bigger like a bay/cc hybrid.  I'm partial to the Jupiter 25 Bay or Barker open layout as opposed to a 25ft flats boat layout for offshore.  Of course, I can't afford a quality built 25' boat like that so I'm sticking with my Moccasin for the time being.
  
  Someone convince Frank to build a sub-$100K 24-25ft bay boat.

  Many years ago this was discussed and after I gave Frank a wish list on what I felt my dream boat should have. He also told me what he felt it should have. If you combine those ideas and built that boat. There's no way that boat would be under 100K. 
  
  To give you an idea, the Florida built 189's have 29 different molds and is a complex boat to build. The current 189 and 2011 are just as complex and likely have similar number of molded parts. A bigger boat would require more materials, a larger outboard and bigger trailer and more labor hours. But....It would be like all Egrets, Awesome!  

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• TXWahoo Posts: 572 Officer

  April 2018 edited April 2018 #6

  Saltwater Junkie said:

  
  Someone convince Frank to build a sub-$100K 24-25ft bay boat.

  Many years ago this was discussed and after I gave Frank a wish list on what I felt my dream boat should have. He also told me what he felt it should have. If you combine those ideas and built that boat. There's no way that boat would be under 100K. 
  
  To give you an idea, the Florida built 189's have 29 different molds and is a complex boat to build. The current 189 and 2011 are just as complex and likely have similar number of molded parts. A bigger boat would require more materials, a larger outboard and bigger trailer and more labor hours. But....It would be like all Egrets, Awesome!  

  
  Hell, if he could price it for less or in the ball park of a Contender 25, Hells Bay Estero, and the new East Cape Bay Boat I bet he could sell it.  I just may not be able to afford it

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• Renagade69 Posts: 1,234 Officer

  April 2018 #7

  People are buying the 100k plus boats every day. 

  Hells Bay Estero Bay Boat and Hells Bay Marquesas

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• Bad behavior Posts: 1,162 Officer

  June 2018 #8

  Ive begged Frank to build one and his argument is that its a no mans  land boat. Too big for serious inshore and too small for serious offshore>  I personally wouldnt care what it cost if I could get my 2011 with a 3 more feet of room, a  little more creature comfort, and a 425 on the back... while still drafting less than 15"

  Need a little time off...For Bad Behavior....
  
  2014 Egret 2011 /Yamaha 250 SHO - sold
  2019 Pathfinder 2500 hybrid 350 Verado

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• Renagade69 Posts: 1,234 Officer

  June 2018 #9

  Frank is already building no mans land niche boats if you want to split hairs. The bay boat that will go shallow(lets say 11 inches) and offshore in the 24 ft boat class will fill 2 market gaps. That is why I went with a bay boat for my dock boat. I didn't want to have 2 boats out there.
  
   Frank is lost in a hobby having fun doing what he likes. He is not really doing this to make money or be on the cutting edge. He just loves Egrets and does not want to get off his original target. 

  Hells Bay Estero Bay Boat and Hells Bay Marquesas

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