female players accuse U.S. soccer federation of wage discrimination

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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-sn-us-women-soccer-wage-discrimination-20160331-story.html

Five players from the World Cup-winning U.S. national team have accused the U.S. Soccer Federation of wage discrimination in an action filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

Alex Morgan, Carli Lloyd, Megan Rapinoe, Becky Sauerbrunn and Hope Solo maintain in the EEOC filing they were paid nearly four times less than their male counterparts on the U.S. men's national team. The filing was announced Thursday in a statement from the law firm representing the players.

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The union representing the players is involved in a legal dispute with U.S. Soccer over the terms of their collective bargaining agreement. The federation filed a lawsuit this year seeking to clarify that its contract with the U.S. Women's National Soccer Team Players Assn. runs through the Rio Olympics until Dec. 31. The union maintains the memorandum of understanding agreed to in March 2013 can be terminated at any time.

“The numbers speak for themselves,” Solo said in a statement. “We are the best in the world, have three World Cup Championships, four Olympic Championships, and the USMNT get paid more just to show up than we get paid to win major championships.”

Attorney Jeffrey Kessler, one of the attorneys representing the players, claimed that the state of the negotiations over the CBA created the need for the women to act in hopes of ending what they say is the “discriminatory and unfair treatment” they have endured for years on behalf of all female athletes.

“While we have not seen this complaint and can't comment on the specifics of it, we are disappointed about this action,” U.S. Soccer said in a statement Thursday. “We have been a world leader in women's soccer and are proud of the commitment we have made to building the women's game in the United States over the past 30 years.”

The U.S. women's team, which has qualified for this summer's Olympics in Brazil, is in Florida training for a pair of exhibition games against Colombia.
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  • cprcpr Posts: 9,309 Admiral
    I side with the girls on this one. They should get more....... they won.
    "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald

    "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    Ah, monopsony :)
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 19,435 AG
    They can become swimmers if they dont like playing soccer.
  • InShoreGrantInShoreGrant Posts: 80 Deckhand
    I'd rather watch the females play, they play a cleaner game with less faking injuries. They do deserve to be payed equally to the men,
  • mikevmikev Posts: 10,822 AG
    In the area of entertainment, I agree. Women are short changed.
    "The only people that tell you it can't be done are the people who haven't done it themselves."
  • NewberryJeffNewberryJeff Posts: 7,421 Admiral
    The Americans’ dominant Women’s World Cup win over the weekend spurred outrage after people found out just how little the women got paid compared to their male counterparts. The problem is, their pay is totally fair.

    In fact, most of the people who are complaining about the prize money are actually part of the problem. How many of them have actually been to a women's professional soccer game outside of the World Cup?

    The total prize pool for the women’s tournament was $15 million. Of that, the US women’s national team took home $2 million for their victory. That’s less than a quarter of the $9 million the US men’s team got last year for getting knocked out in the round of 16. The total prize pool for the men’s tournament was a whopping $576 million — 40 times the women’s haul.

    This brings me to an important question: What separates men’s sports and women’s?

    There's one big difference — revenue. Female soccer players are paid less because their sport makes less. According to the Wall Street Journal, there was $17 million in sponsor revenue for this year's women's World Cup compared to $529 million for the 2014 men's tournament. America's winning women earned a larger share, about 11%, of the money their tournament made this year from sponsors than the victorious German team, who got just 6.6% of the sponsor revenue from last year's men's World Cup as their prize.

    The real question is not why female athletes are paid less. People should be asking why fans and sponsors are less interested in supporting women's sports — and this is what they should be outraged about.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/womens-small-soccer-salaries-are-fair-2015-7
  • grady30wagrady30wa Posts: 10,161 AG
    The USWNT scrimmaged the IMG Academy boys U16 team.

    Boys won 5-0.

    There's a huge disparity between men's a women's soccer. The rest of the world does not encourage their women to play...and soccer is their #1 men's sport that attracts their best athletes. Our best athletes play basketball, football, baseball, etc.
    Schadenfreude. November 8, 2016
  • navigator2navigator2 Posts: 22,449 AG
    The Americans’ dominant Women’s World Cup win over the weekend spurred outrage after people found out just how little the women got paid compared to their male counterparts. The problem is, their pay is totally fair.

    In fact, most of the people who are complaining about the prize money are actually part of the problem. How many of them have actually been to a women's professional soccer game outside of the World Cup?

    The total prize pool for the women’s tournament was $15 million. Of that, the US women’s national team took home $2 million for their victory. That’s less than a quarter of the $9 million the US men’s team got last year for getting knocked out in the round of 16. The total prize pool for the men’s tournament was a whopping $576 million — 40 times the women’s haul.

    This brings me to an important question: What separates men’s sports and women’s?

    There's one big difference — revenue. Female soccer players are paid less because their sport makes less. According to the Wall Street Journal, there was $17 million in sponsor revenue for this year's women's World Cup compared to $529 million for the 2014 men's tournament. America's winning women earned a larger share, about 11%, of the money their tournament made this year from sponsors than the victorious German team, who got just 6.6% of the sponsor revenue from last year's men's World Cup as their prize.

    The real question is not why female athletes are paid less. People should be asking why fans and sponsors are less interested in supporting women's sports — and this is what they should be outraged about.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/womens-small-soccer-salaries-are-fair-2015-7

    Yeah sure, there's discrimination. All of those viewers not buying tickets to watch them play or TV viewers that advertisers pay based on ratings. What a crock. Revenues drive what the players are paid in every sport. Can you imagine the WNBA demanding Lebron money? :grin
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  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    Revenue sharing in a monopsony

    that labor market is engineered, not competitive.
  • navigator2navigator2 Posts: 22,449 AG
    greggl wrote: »
    Revenue sharing in a monopsony

    that labor market is engineered, not competitive.

    There isn't and never will be a Title IX in professional sports. Cash is king.
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  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    navigator2 wrote: »
    Cash is king.

    Nothing is fair. There is only leverage.
  • navigator2navigator2 Posts: 22,449 AG
    greggl wrote: »
    Nothing is fair. There is only leverage.

    Demand for a product stipulates the worth of labor. If you'll notice male strippers are notoriously underpaid and work in shabby, seedy conditions. :grin
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  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    The Sports Business as a Labor Market Laboratory
    http://people.ucsc.edu/~lkletzer/econ104/kahn_sportsbusiness_JEP.pdf

    Its not as clean cut.

    Monopsony and Player Salaries
    Sports owners are a small and interconnected group, which suggests that they have
    some ability to band together and act as monopsonists in paying players. The result is
    that player pay is held below marginal revenue product. I discuss three sources of
    evidence on monopsony in sports: evidence from the rise and fall of rival leagues,
    evidence from changes in rules about player free agency, and studies comparing the
    marginal revenue product of players with their pay. Sports owners have often had
    monopsony power over players in the sense that in many instances players have the
    option of negotiating only with one team. Here, salaries are determined by individual
    team-player bargaining in which marginal revenue product, and the outside options
    available to teams and players, will affect the outcome
  • cprcpr Posts: 9,309 Admiral
    They have won the world cup 3 times and olympic golds. The US mens team has trouble qualifying. By appearances on TV alone the US women have they must be close to what the US men made in their few times in the spotlight.
    "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald

    "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr
  • grady30wagrady30wa Posts: 10,161 AG
    cpr wrote: »
    They have won the world cup 3 times and olympic golds. The US mens team has trouble qualifying. By appearances on TV alone the US women have they must be close to what the US men made in their few times in the spotlight.

    Almost none of the women in the rest of the world play soccer.
    Schadenfreude. November 8, 2016
  • kmagnusskmagnuss Posts: 3,167 Captain
    They might make more money if they got people to actually watch them play. Just like women's softball/basketball/bowling... who cares? There's a reason the women's tennis players and volleyball players get paid well in comparison to the men... people watch it.
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  • navigator2navigator2 Posts: 22,449 AG
    kmagnuss wrote: »
    They might make more money if they got people to actually watch them play. Just like women's softball/basketball/bowling... who cares? There's a reason the women's tennis players and volleyball players get paid well in comparison to the men... people watch it.


    Women's fast pitch softball is actually entertaining. People might pay good money to watch, and they would be paid accordingly. **** liberals want to compare the NFL and men's soccer (world-wide) to women's sports. Cry me a river. :rolleyes


    When you throw in a stripper pole, I think all this pretty much evens out. :Spittingcoffee
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  • sjm1582002sjm1582002 Posts: 4,327 Captain
    Maybe the woman's team should challenge the men's team to a match and show just how competitive they are.
  • navigator2navigator2 Posts: 22,449 AG
    sjm1582002 wrote: »
    Maybe the woman's team should challenge the men's team to a match and show just how competitive they are.

    Not sure if serious...........that would likely not go well for the ladies.......but that isn't the point. The issue is WHO watches and pays the bills. I'm sure they would be paid well for Jello or cole slaw wrestling, but not for soccer.
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  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    It's likely they should be paid more. Professional athletes are like economic fruit flies for study.

    "In many labor markets, it is difficult if not impossible to accurately measure the productivity of any particular worker. Therefore, an accurate estimate of a worker’s marginal revenue product is often infeasible. However, in professional sports there are no shortage of production data with which to analyze measure labor production and marginal revenue product."

    http://www.economics-finance.org/jefe/econ/depkinpaper.pdf
  • sjm1582002sjm1582002 Posts: 4,327 Captain
    navigator2 wrote: »
    Not sure if serious...........that would likely not go well for the ladies.......but that isn't the point. The issue is WHO watches and pays the bills. I'm sure they would be paid well for Jello or cole slaw wrestling, but not for soccer.

    I think the "mercy rule" would be invoked before long.

    It seem rather obvious to me that the women's team's glaring inability to "compete" with the men's team undermines their tenuous claim for "competitive" contracts.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 19,435 AG
    sjm1582002 wrote: »
    Maybe the woman's team should challenge the men's team to a match and show just how competitive they are.

    That has absolutely no bearing on payscale. If women's sports were so lucrative that owners could make millions by starting womens teams and paying low saleries, the world would be full of womens sports teams... but they simply arent. Another whiny group of babies.
  • JAPJAP Posts: 3,373 Captain
    I always thought stuff like this was a seldom-mentioned but very important reason why the left has such contempt for capitalism. Many of the left's practiced narratives die a swift death when they are exposed to market forces.
  • grady30wagrady30wa Posts: 10,161 AG
    sjm1582002 wrote: »
    Maybe the woman's team should challenge the men's team to a match and show just how competitive they are.

    In 2009, a boy's U17 team beat the US Women's national team 5-1 in a scrimmage

    It would not even be close.
    Schadenfreude. November 8, 2016
  • FinfinderFinfinder Posts: 9,873 Admiral
    sjm1582002 wrote: »
    I think the "mercy rule" would be invoked before long.

    It seem rather obvious to me that the women's team's glaring inability to "compete" with the men's team undermines their tenuous claim for "competitive" contracts.

    Everybody keeps missing the fact that the women's US soccer team is the best in the world the men can't even qualify for the Olympics. Soccer is probably the most corrupt sport in the world so its not a surprise they are payed this way.
  • grady30wagrady30wa Posts: 10,161 AG
    This was taken from another forum (post was made in 2009...so the 1992 ODP boys team as U17, and the 1993 ODP boys team was U16. The women's team had Mia Hamm at the time)





    USWNT No Match for So. Cal Boys ODP.


    I recently got back from two scrimmage games over the weekend at the Home Depot Center; the U.S. woman's national team vs. ODP B92, and a second game vs. ODP B93. The Scrimmage was set up in two games of ninety minutes, with three thirty minute periods for each game. The USWNT was divided into two equal teams of 12 or so players. The first group played the early game vs. a full side of eighteen 92 boys. The second group of players played the 93 boys an hour later after conclusion of the first match.



    USWNT vs. ODP B92



    Verses the ODP B92 the USWNT was soundly beaten 5-1. It very well could have been much worse, the US keeper came up with brilliant point blank save, after save.



    The good & bad:



    USWNT was tactical superior, and had long stretches of crisp possession in the middle attacking third of the field. The U.S. also demonstrated a quality first touch and driven balls were surprisingly accurate and well timed. ODP 92 where much faster and explosive to the ball and were able to take advantage of this by out pacing the U.S. back line on through balls played into space. Vice versa the superiority in flat out speed also force the USWNT to play in front of the boys back four, hamstringing their two forwards. Although the USWNT had the majority of the possession the ODP 92's had the lion's share of quality chances.



    USWNT vs. ODP B93



    Against the ODP B93 the USWNT looked much better. The speed of the players was on par with the younger boys. Although I could not stay to see the game to its conclusion, through the first 60 minutes the B93's were up 2-0.



    The good & bad:



    Against the B93 the game was much more balanced, both sides played a fast pace game and the speed on the field was very much equal. An enjoyable game to watch. Although the boys were ahead after 60 minutes the score line could have very well been 2-0 in favor of the ladies.



    Side Note:



    I suspect that all the teams that were involved were asked to ratchet down the physicality as not to injure anyone. This undoubtedly was a good thing because in the handful of collisions that did occur the women more then not got the worst of it.
    Schadenfreude. November 8, 2016
  • grady30wagrady30wa Posts: 10,161 AG
    Finfinder wrote: »
    Everybody keeps missing the fact that the women's US soccer team is the best in the world the men can't even qualify for the Olympics.

    There is a reason for this...

    Women in other countries do not play soccer.

    The best male athletes in other countries play soccer. The best athletes in the United States play football, basketball, and baseball.

    For instance, Tom Brady did not play football until high school. He played soccer and basketball
    Schadenfreude. November 8, 2016
  • FinfinderFinfinder Posts: 9,873 Admiral
    grady30wa wrote: »
    There is a reason for this...

    Women in other countries do not play soccer.

    The best male athletes in other countries play soccer. The best athletes in the United States play football, basketball, and baseball.

    For instance, Tom Brady did not play football until high school. He played soccer and basketball


    So your are saying the rest of the world discriminates more than the US. That's a bunch of bull, the reason is because they are the best women athletes in the world. Don't make this difficult.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 19,435 AG
    Finfinder wrote: »
    Everybody keeps missing the fact that the women's US soccer team is the best in the world the men can't even qualify for the Olympics. Soccer is probably the most corrupt sport in the world so its not a surprise they are payed this way.

    No one cares about that fact because it is irrelevant to the OP. However it does seem they are the whiniest too.
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