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  • chubascochubasco Posts: 18,390 Officer
    fins4me wrote: »
    Give it a rest.

    Most gun deaths are due to suicide,,,

    Take away the 4 worst hell holes of progressive entitlement cities out of the equation and gun violence in this nation becomes rare.

    If parents are stupid enough to blame the tool instead of the user then they also need to give it a rest.

    I am not willing to surrender my freedoms toward a response that will accomplish NOTHING so they can feel better and **** progressives can feel like they have accomplished something.


    Well here are the 10 states with the most gun deaths per capita. Now, are any of the cities you are thinking about in these states?


    10 states with the highest firearm age-adjusted death rates were: Alaska (19.8), Louisiana (19.3), Mississippi (17.8), Alabama (17.6), Arkansas (16.8), Wyoming (16.7), Montana (16.7), Oklahoma (16.5), New Mexico (15.5) and Tennessee (15.4).

    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/gun-laws-deaths-and-crimes/
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  • fins4mefins4me Posts: 14,487 AG
    Yes Memphis is in one of those and you are posting up per capita numbers... Compare any of those to Chicago, Detroit or some of your other progressive bastions for total incidents.
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  • cadmancadman Home of the Gators Posts: 32,608 AG
    So you've actually seen what the executive order is going to be? Please put up a link so the rest of us can read it.

    TYIA

    As I said in my first post, From what I have read. I was not aware of the need to repeat it on every post. Considering the limitations of executive orders, it is likely what Obama will issue. There is little else he can do that would not be ruled unconstitutional by the courts.

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  • dave44dave44 Posts: 11,543 AG
    chubasco wrote: »
    Well here are the 10 states with the most gun deaths per capita. Now, are any of the cities you are thinking about in these states?


    10 states with the highest firearm age-adjusted death rates were: Alaska (19.8), Louisiana (19.3), Mississippi (17.8), Alabama (17.6), Arkansas (16.8), Wyoming (16.7), Montana (16.7), Oklahoma (16.5), New Mexico (15.5) and Tennessee (15.4).

    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/gun-laws-deaths-and-crimes/


    I have a hard time understanding why those numbers don't show Illinois? Is it because the population needs to be big enough to offset the real #s in a specific area?
    Chicago doesnt have enough people to spread the statistic out.

    Statistics lie and...........




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  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Posts: 24,415 AG
    chubasco wrote: »
    age-adjusted death rates

    Cherry-picking data to fit the story line.
  • rickcrickc Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    fins4me wrote: »
    Yes Memphis is in one of those and you are posting up per capita numbers... Compare any of those to Chicago, Detroit or some of your other progressive bastions for total incidents.

    and most of those homicides were perpetrated by someone already violating the existing gun laws.

    more restrictions on law abiding citizens won't change those statistics one bit.
  • phlatsphilphlatsphil Posts: 14,632 AG
    fins4me wrote: »

    So then, why do we need open carry laws? Why are states being barraged with concealed weapons permit applications? Why are gun sales thru the roof? One might think these are indicators of a need for more "personal protection". Why do so many need personal protection?
  • rickcrickc Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    phlatsphil wrote: »
    So then, why do we need open carry laws? Why are states being barraged with concealed weapons permit applications? Why are gun sales thru the roof? One might think these are indicators of a need for more "personal protection". Why do so many need personal protection?

    two reasons for the gun sales increase.

    Righties and the Fear Factor: Since 9/11 Republicans have been pushing the fear button hard. The whole prepper movement started after that

    Election of Obama: Righties were already scared. Now we have a Black gun grabbing Liberal for president! He is going to take the guns. Republicans have been pushing that one hard and still are.

    So guns and ammo have been flying off the shelves. No one knows when the government might stop the sales of guns or ammunition.

    Great political talking point. Hell Hillary is a gun grabbing Liberal. The righties will keep the pressure on.

    But reality is no negative gun legislation has been passed under Obama and this Background Check stuff is just political fluff.

    Now Hillary hit a nerve. She was talking about holding gun manufacturers liable for people killed with their guns. I believe this has been tried before. How can you hold a manufacture responsible for his product performing as designed with no malfunctions. If they pull this off then we do have a problem

    So I sent another $500 check to the NRA!
  • NACl H2O LuvrNACl H2O Luvr Posts: 12,389 AG
    rickc wrote: »
    Now Hillary hit a nerve. She was talking about holding gun manufacturers liable for people killed with their guns. I believe this has been tried before. How can you hold a manufacture responsible for his product performing as designed with no malfunctions. If they pull this off then we do have a problem

    So I sent another $500 check to the NRA!

    Ricky, this proves that you do have a lick of sense. You're okay in my Book.
  • jad1097jad1097 Posts: 9,611 Admiral
    rickc wrote: »
    two reasons for the gun sales increase.

    Righties and the Fear Factor: Since 9/11 Republicans have been pushing the fear button hard. The whole prepper movement started after that

    Election of Obama: Righties were already scared. Now we have a Black gun grabbing Liberal for president! He is going to take the guns. Republicans have been pushing that one hard and still are.

    So guns and ammo have been flying off the shelves. No one knows when the government might stop the sales of guns or ammunition.

    Great political talking point. Hell Hillary is a gun grabbing Liberal. The righties will keep the pressure on.

    But reality is no negative gun legislation has been passed under Obama and this Background Check stuff is just political fluff.

    Now Hillary hit a nerve. She was talking about holding gun manufacturers liable for people killed with their guns. I believe this has been tried before. How can you hold a manufacture responsible for his product performing as designed with no malfunctions. If they pull this off then we do have a problem

    So I sent another $500 check to the NRA!

    Well said.



    The NRA gets no money from me.I received one of their fear mongering letters yesterday and treated it with the respect it deserved.

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  • rickcrickc Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    jad1097 wrote: »
    Well said.



    The NRA gets no money from me.I received one of their fear mongering letters yesterday and treated it with the respect it deserved.

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    the NRA has its place. It helps to keep the scales balanced.

    this is my definition of gun control
  • MAVERICK16'10"MAVERICK16'10" Posts: 257 Officer
    Oh yeah. He's coming for your guns. Blah blah blah.

    Don't worry you're 40 cal. Sex toy is safe.
    You could get rid of your gun so you don't shoot yourself or family member and just roll up a sock and put it in your crotch.
  • MAVERICK16'10"MAVERICK16'10" Posts: 257 Officer
    Sent a 500$ check to the NRA?
    Hahahaha. Sucker you fell for the oldest trick in the book.

    Boy oh boy if that's not proof fear mongering works on the small minded.

    Don't worry man we're not laughing our **** off with you we're laughing our **** off AT you. $500. Hahahaha
  • rickcrickc Posts: 9,172 Admiral
    Sent a 500$ check to the NRA?
    Hahahaha. Sucker you fell for the oldest trick in the book.

    Boy oh boy if that's not proof fear mongering works on the small minded.

    Don't worry man we're not laughing our **** off with you we're laughing our **** off AT you. $500. Hahahaha

    Silly boy

    If we had a group like the NRA lobbying for for.our fishing rights then maybe the NMFS wouldn't have it so screwed up.

    I don't really care if you have no interest in gun legislation. You play your.way and I'll play mine.
  • Ol MuckyOl Mucky Posts: 5,540 Admiral
    Halbraun wrote: »
    WaterEngineer, Why do you have a problem with background checks and keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally incompetent and people on the TSA watchlist?

    whats the proposed guidelines for "mentally incompetent"?

    ANyone who ever took an anti-depressant? How many prescription refills of the anti-depressant? 1?10?
    Or, someone labeled bipolar? One psychotic episode? 3?
    AND more importantly, who is going to keep and track alllllllllll of the legal Americans medical records to determine all this?

    Hmmmmm questions questions questions (and a bit of intrusions)
    I have a much bigger and more powerful button
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,592 AG
    cadman wrote: »
    I don't think anything I read in the article would be unconstitutional. What of the items do you think are unconstitutional?

    From what I read.

    Expanded definition of what is a gun dealer. Sellers who sell over a certain number per year would be required to get a license. Also those who buy and resell weapons with a certain time frame. Depending on the parameters, not sure I would object to this one. There are a lot of unlicensed dealers out there pretending they aren't really dealers. I think if you buy and sell more than a dozen guns a year, you might be a gun dealer.

    Guns stolen in transit. I would have thought it was already a requirement for a dealer to report a weapon stolen in transport. The dealer must considered it sold and the buyer responsibility or that of the shipping company.

    How do either of these violate the constitution?

    They aren't new laws. I would even venture to say that the courts would say they are within the executive powers limitations since they just defined existing laws more clearly.

    Did I miss a proposal?
    Changing the definition in a law is the responsibility of Congress, not thd president.
  • navigator2navigator2 Posts: 22,511 AG
    Oh yeah. He's coming for your guns. Blah blah blah.

    Don't worry you're 40 cal. Sex toy is safe.
    You could get rid of your gun so you don't shoot yourself or family member and just roll up a sock and put it in your crotch.

    I see you are riding the short boat again 16'10. Not surprising.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • guido4198guido4198 Posts: 2,247 Captain
    Doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy to know that the Tyrant-in- Chief is huddling up today with Reichsfuhrer Lynch to invent ways to subvert the will of the American people, as expressed by their ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES and impose HIS WILL upon the nation.
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