Is the solution to stop ordering fish in restaurants?

EnyarEnyar Posts: 69 Greenhorn
Let's face it, fish are a limited resource. Bag limits, seasons, fish, access, etc only seem to be getting smaller and the recreational angler always seems to be getting the short end of the stick. As much as I hate that it's become recreational vs commercial because those guys are good guys just trying to make a living... there is no denying that it is us vs them. Public forums, petitions, voting only does so much and no one seems to listen anyway. I think the most effective way to vote is to vote with your wallet and the best method is to just stop ordering fish in restaurants. If demand goes down, so will the revenues/tax dollars and also pressure on fish stocks. Make sense or am I wrong?

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  • Figmo89Figmo89 Posts: 66 Deckhand
    If all offshore fishermen stopped ordering fish in restaurants, I don't think it would change demand at all because we just don't make up a significant portion of the consumer base. Personally, I eat fish four or five times a week at home so when I eat out I'm usually looking for a hunk of beef. I can’t remember the last time I actually bought any seafood other than clams or shrimp and I wouldn’t buy those either if I could catch them myself.
  • FlatsFrenzyFlatsFrenzy Posts: 893 Officer
    I never order or purchase fish that is currently closed to rec anglers. If they won't let me catch it, I won't pay someone else for it.

    I'm also vocal in this approach when it comes to family, friends, fish mongers, restaurant managers, and etc...
    -
    Chris
    Gulf Coast of FL
    @flatsfrenzy #flyonly #onelessspinrod
  • Reel TealReel Teal Posts: 3,217 Captain
    Figmo89 wrote: »
    If all offshore fishermen stopped ordering fish in restaurants, I don't think it would change demand at all because we just don't make up a significant portion of the consumer base. Personally, I eat fish four or five times a week at home so when I eat out I'm usually looking for a hunk of beef. I can’t remember the last time I actually bought any seafood other than clams or shrimp and I wouldn’t buy those either if I could catch them myself.
    You don't shrimp? Quit buying them and catch em. Its loads of fun and everyone can do it. Taste much fresher too
  • aboveboredabovebored Posts: 1,237 Officer
    Since more than 85% of all seafood consumed in the U.S. is imported from foreign countries, your proposed boycott would not be that effective.
  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 4,948 Captain
    Politicians don't fish they eat at Red Lobster and they think it is all caught by the local fisherman.
    Tight Lines, Steve
    My posts are my opinion only.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 9,046 Admiral
    surfman wrote: »
    Politicians don't fish they eat at Red Lobster and they think it is all caught by the local fisherman.
    That is one of the dumbest things you have ever uttered...
    Spend some time in Tally during the legislative session, don't think you'll see any politicians at RL.:rotflmao:rotflmao
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • will's dadwill's dad Posts: 102 Deckhand
    Restrict the sale of fish to Asian markets. The huge demand from Asian markets for fish caught from our fisheries is staggering...From tuna and snapper, to mullet row and Lobster.
  • That aint gonna happen.
    Free trade and all of that.....
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • Figmo89Figmo89 Posts: 66 Deckhand
    Hey Reel Teal.

    Where can I find a primer on Shrimping 101? I'd be happy to quit buying them if I could catch them myself.

    Never been shrimping, but I did some commercial clamming up in New Jersey back in the 80's. Back breaking labor, but made good money for the youngster I was at the time.

    Fresh clams and good cheese steak hoagies are about all that I miss from my time as a resident of the Socialist Republic of Jersey.
  • Reel TealReel Teal Posts: 3,217 Captain
    Figmo89 wrote: »
    Hey Reel Teal.

    Where can I find a primer on Shrimping 101? I'd be happy to quit buying them if I could catch them myself.

    Never been shrimping, but I did some commercial clamming up in New Jersey back in the 80's. Back breaking labor, but made good money for the youngster I was at the time.

    Fresh clams and good cheese steak hoagies are about all that I miss from my time as a resident of the Socialist Republic of Jersey.
    Where are you located? Google capt lee noga, i wont put the website up, its not good etiquette to put a link to another forum.

    Im in central florida. We go about once a week and get them. All you need are lights, nets, and maybe a few beers lol bring some friends and scoop them up. It truly is the easiest thing I've done.
  • Figmo89 wrote: »
    Hey Reel Teal.

    Where can I find a primer on Shrimping 101? I'd be happy to quit buying them if I could catch them myself.

    Never been shrimping, but I did some commercial clamming up in New Jersey back in the 80's. Back breaking labor, but made good money for the youngster I was at the time.

    Fresh clams and good cheese steak hoagies are about all that I miss from my time as a resident of the Socialist Republic of Jersey.

    Shoot me a PM and I will be happy to give you the low down on shrimping in the area,

    Free tip.................don't go out with Doug and mango man in a canoe.:rotflmao

    But seriously I'd be happy to help.
    Season here starts around April and lasts thru June.

    I see your in Mad beach and the shrimping area is south of you around Ft. Desoto park.
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • P. S.
    Post your questions about shrimping on the West Central general board and you should get some feedback
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • DarcyDarcy Posts: 1,711 Captain
    Ok. My wife had a red snapper dinner on Valentine's. In the back of my head I was saying no. But I wanted a good end to the evening.:wink
    Do we say that this is a local fish or is it imported.
    "No i'm NOT Darcizzle!":blowkiss


    https://captainsforcleanwater.org
  • haydenfox!#$haydenfox!#$ Posts: 2,362 Captain
    Darcy wrote: »
    Ok. My wife had a red snapper dinner on Valentine's. In the back of my head I was saying no. But I wanted a good end to the evening.:wink
    Do we say that this is a local fish or is it imported.

    Sell out...
  • DarcyDarcy Posts: 1,711 Captain
    Sell out...

    Hey. We had a happy ending.
    "No i'm NOT Darcizzle!":blowkiss


    https://captainsforcleanwater.org
  • Figmo89Figmo89 Posts: 66 Deckhand
    I checked out Capt. Lee Noga's website. Looks like an East Coast guy. I'm West Central. I shot a PM to Mackerel Snatcher for advice in this area. I think I'll search the West Central Archives to see if this is one of those topics that has been covered half a hundred times already.

    Thanks Much!
  • East Coast shrimping is way different then here.

    And good luck with the "archives":rotflmao
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • navigator2navigator2 Posts: 22,418 AG
    East Coast shrimping is way different then here.

    And good luck with the "archives":rotflmao

    How do you guys do it? :huh East coast shrimping is different even on the east coast. Up here, we use cast nets. Down at the Cape and below, they use long dip nets. In Georgia, they use both cast nets and seines.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Google "ozello shrimper" and there is a couple of videos
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • Figmo89Figmo89 Posts: 66 Deckhand
    Looked at ozello shrimping. Seems to be wading through sea grass with a net and a light.
  • Exactly
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • Reel TealReel Teal Posts: 3,217 Captain
    navigator2 wrote: »
    How do you guys do it? :huh East coast shrimping is different even on the east coast. Up here, we use cast nets. Down at the Cape and below, they use long dip nets. In Georgia, they use both cast nets and seines.
    We use it all lol dip nets, frame nets, cast nets in the summer. Ive never broken out the seine my grandpa has though.
  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 4,948 Captain
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    That is one of the dumbest things you have ever uttered...
    Spend some time in Tally during the legislative session, don't think you'll see any politicians at RL.:rotflmao:rotflmao

    :willynilly:willynilly I love it!!
    Tight Lines, Steve
    My posts are my opinion only.
  • permit_mepermit_me Posts: 905 Officer
    Unfortunately, even buying FL shrimp can be detrimental to fish population structure, as we know shrimp is an important food source for many (game)fish, e.g. seatrout, especially in the early stages.

    I've been told by a few wise ol' locals in the lower big bend region that the primary food sources tarpon came up into that region was for the giant shrimp/prawns. After decades of overharvesting, the populations have been decimated, and that they speculate this is a primary reason for the decline of tarpon hanging around on our flats here. It sounded logical to me, anyway.

    I just can't bring myself to eat fish other than fresh caught by ourselves. Fish is best 1st or 2nd day, after that it begins to smell, and by day three, well, it's like house guests...besides, nobody can make a better cobia Oscar (or grouper with blue crab I can catch myself) than I can. :cool
  • navigator2navigator2 Posts: 22,418 AG
    I NEVER buy fish from either the seafood markets or restaurants (unless it's imported Chilean sea bass). Of course, my freezer is always stocked with an abundance. The few times I go out to eat I'm not eating fish. A good soft shelled blue crab sammich is always my choice when available. :crossed

    Art, do you mess with the tanks and do the molting crab thing?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 9,046 Admiral
    navigator2 wrote: »
    I NEVER buy fish from either the seafood markets or restaurants (unless it's imported Chilean sea bass). Of course, my freezer is always stocked with an abundance. The few times I go out to eat I'm not eating fish. A good soft shelled blue crab sammich is always my choice when available. :crossed

    Art, do you mess with the tanks and do the molting crab thing?
    Yes, just bought a new endorsement to target peelers instead of an incidental catch.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Got TA GoGot TA Go Posts: 2,608 Captain
    The sad fact remains that very little seafood sold in the majority of restaurants is caught in US waters by US Commercial fishermen.

    We all know they want you to believe it, but it just isn't so. The cost to the restaurant would be way too high and the profit margin is much better for them on imported seafood.

    And before our Commercial Sector members that lurk or actively post about how much good their Sector is for the economy and how they provide a Quality US Seafood product to Americans that cannot catch it for themselves or do not have access....

    This picture was taken at my local Publix here in Key West, which does buy some of it's seafood (very little) from local sources. I must also note, the overwhelming majority of all commercially caught (and recreationally caught) Yellowtail Snapper is caught right here in the Keys.

    So the price isn't based on having a long transport...



    The simple matter of fact is that Commercial fishermen, which I once was a long time ago, contribute a fraction of what the recs do to the economy, and all that garbage about providing quality US seafood to Americans is hogwash.

    The majority of their catches are shipped overseas where they can get a better price for it. The actual fisherman, the Comm guy out working his boat to make a living... Is a hard working person that is out to do whatever he needs to do to put food on his table and shoes on the kids feet.

    He's not the one reaping the reward of the price, and most the time, he operates out of a specific area that is controlled by the dealers. The prices can be manipulated by the dealers on a whim.

    Fishermen are told what they can expect to get paid based on the needs and desires of the dealers.

    What sticks in my craw is when I have the ability, equipment and willingness to go catch my own dinner, but I am not allowed to. If I want it, I have to buy it from a Commercial guy.

    So the Tag line, "Providing Quality, American Seafood to Americans" should end with "By taking away the right of Americans to Provide it for Themselves".

    Rob
    www.gottagofishinginkeywest.com


    Hero's Don't Wear Capes....They Wear Dog Tags.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 9,046 Admiral
    So seasonal closures are a bad thing? lol


    I got $8-11/lb for my medium claws this year, my wholesale dealer/fish house cooked and boxed (100lbs/box) and put them on another wholesale/distributor for $2/lb more, that distributor broke them down into 25lb boxes and sold to Publix for another $2-3/lb.

    Publix then doubles the price.
    It ain't always the dealers as claws could be had out of our retail at $3 over ex vessel prices.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
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