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  • Nope. SFWMD claims the historic data they present is instrumental records from tide gauges.

    I don't believe that that is what the District is intending in this presentation, especially because none is presented.
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  • FibberMckeeFibberMckee Posts: 12,837 AG
    Suggest you start a thread on SFWMD if you want to try & debate "what the District is intending in this presentation".

    When SFWMD says "instrumental record" & "tide gauge" in describing the sea level "historic data" on their website it is a case where some "is presented". It's right there in B&W for all to see, whether you "don't believe that that is what the District is intending" or not.

    It's obvious you seek to evade what NG "is intending in this presentation" - You know the TOPIC.
  • Suggest you start a thread on SFWMD if you want to try & debate "what the District is intending in this presentation".

    When SFWMD says "instrumental record" & "tide gauge" in describing the sea level "historic data" on their website it is a case where some "is presented". It's right there in B&W for all to see, whether you "don't believe that that is what the District is intending" or not.

    It's obvious you seek to evade what NG "is intending in this presentation" - You know the TOPIC.

    I do indeed know the topic, SFWMD and it's concerns and the unexciting reality, to which you are alone in your conflicting perspective thereof here , it seems.
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  • FibberMckeeFibberMckee Posts: 12,837 AG
    No. That was not the TOPIC. No matter how often you attempt to assert "your conflicting perspective" on "SFWMD and it's concerns". Let alone it's "intentions".
    I do indeed know the topic, SFWMD and it's concerns and the unexciting reality, to which you are alone in your conflicting perspective thereof here , it seems.
    February issue of 'National Geographic' has an article that's a Must Read, especially if you live in South Florida.

    Titled: "Treading Water - Price Tag For A Warming Planet" it is a very measured view of what's expected over the short term. Interestingly it starts with a Dutch development company's get rich quick scheme to build a floating-village in order to accommodate the rise in sea level. Article concentrates on plans only out to 2060, making it easier for 20 somethings to imagine their retirement years.

    While the story focuses on Florida, the ramifications are worldwide.

    The NG article, that is the TOPIC here, scarcely even mentioned the SFWMD. It did mention what you no doubt believe is "the unexciting reality" of USGS, Army Corps of Engineers & NOAA sea level historic data. Which you seem to be isolated from.
  • I understand and rightly so that you believe that an article published in a travel focused entertainment periodical illustrates a need to invest in a cockamainy scheme presented by Dutchman to invest in the construction of floating island homes as a Noah-esque precaution against rising seas in South Florida.

    I've endured some pretty preposterous claims and egregious misconceptions involving natural systems and engineered solutions here for many years but this one competes for the championship.

    IMHYEO,of course.
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  • FibberMckeeFibberMckee Posts: 12,837 AG
    NG is not "a travel focused entertainment periodical". A proceeding article is focused on 'Might Mites' that "hide in your bed and breed on your face" & cover story is on 'Healing Our Soldiers'.
    I understand and rightly so that you believe that an article published in a travel focused entertainment periodical

    IMHYEO,of course.

    We've all "endured (your) preposterous claims and egregious misconceptions" about fresh water management & evasions of what the NG article "illustrates".
  • jlh49jlh49 Posts: 3,127 Officer
    "...Florida’s bill is coming due, as the costs of climate change add up around the globe. Adaptations will buy time, but can they save Miami?

    By Laura Parker

    Photographs by George Steinmetz..."

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2015/02/climate-change-economics/parker-text

    "...Laura Parker is a writer-editor at National Geographic. She is co-author of “Miracle on the Hudson,” the acclaimed narrative of the water ditching of US Airways Flight 1549 into New York’s Hudson River, published by Ballantine Books/Random House in 2009. Previously, she served more than 15 years as a senior national correspondent at USA Today and The Washington Post, and then moved to digital journalism as an investigative reporter at AOL News and as Washington bureau chief at The Daily, News Corp.’s experimental newspaper produced exclusively for the iPad and other tablets.

    She covered Hurricane Katrina and the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and other environmental topics. She also teams with her husband, William Prochnau, her co-author on “Miracle on the Hudson,” to write periodic stories for Vanity Fair, where he is a contributing editor. They have written on topics ranging from the avian flu epidemic in Southeast Asia to the long saga of the descendants of the mutineers of HMS Bounty on Pitcairn Island.

    Parker is a graduate of the University of Washington, a former Nieman Fellow at Harvard and a former Alicia Patterson Fellow. She spent her Patterson Fellowship year in the Mississippi Delta, researching race, illiteracy and casino gambling..."

    http://press.nationalgeographic.com/news-team-biographies/laura-parker/

    Impressive credentials for a Climate Change expert.
  • NOLE66NOLE66 Posts: 1,630 Officer
    jlh49 wrote: »
    "...Florida’s bill is coming due, as the costs of climate change add up around the globe. Adaptations will buy time, but can they save Miami?

    By Laura Parker

    Photographs by George Steinmetz..."

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2015/02/climate-change-economics/parker-text

    "...Laura Parker is a writer-editor at National Geographic. She is co-author of “Miracle on the Hudson,” the acclaimed narrative of the water ditching of US Airways Flight 1549 into New York’s Hudson River, published by Ballantine Books/Random House in 2009. Previously, she served more than 15 years as a senior national correspondent at USA Today and The Washington Post, and then moved to digital journalism as an investigative reporter at AOL News and as Washington bureau chief at The Daily, News Corp.’s experimental newspaper produced exclusively for the iPad and other tablets.

    She covered Hurricane Katrina and the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and other environmental topics. She also teams with her husband, William Prochnau, her co-author on “Miracle on the Hudson,” to write periodic stories for Vanity Fair, where he is a contributing editor. They have written on topics ranging from the avian flu epidemic in Southeast Asia to the long saga of the descendants of the mutineers of HMS Bounty on Pitcairn Island.

    Parker is a graduate of the University of Washington, a former Nieman Fellow at Harvard and a former Alicia Patterson Fellow. She spent her Patterson Fellowship year in the Mississippi Delta, researching race, illiteracy and casino gambling..."

    http://press.nationalgeographic.com/news-team-biographies/laura-parker/

    Impressive credentials for a Climate Change expert.

    The hysteria is hilarious. Those behind the scenes are counting their billions while they pull the levers laughing at the drama they are causing.
    100% complete and utter bullchit!
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/pressroom/2012/05/01/coastal-forests-retreat-as-sea-levels-rise/

    There is some botanical evidence of the Gulf's saltiness affecting coastal forests. Hints at rise. Major changes are happening to the coastal marshes and forests over a very short period of time.
  • Gary MGary M Posts: 13,214 AG
    This planet will run out of food and clean drinking water WAAAAAY before any rising seas become an issue..... if ever.
  • JBondJBond Posts: 5,039 Officer
    I understand and rightly so that you believe that an article published in a travel focused entertainment periodical illustrates a need to invest in a cockamainy scheme presented by Dutchman to invest in the construction of floating island homes as a Noah-esque precaution against rising seas in South Florida.

    I've endured some pretty preposterous claims and egregious misconceptions involving natural systems and engineered solutions here for many years but this one competes for the championship.

    IMHYEO,of course.

    You can be a fun read when I am not the target. :thumbsup
  • jlh49jlh49 Posts: 3,127 Officer
    Cyclist wrote: »
    http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/pressroom/2012/05/01/coastal-forests-retreat-as-sea-levels-rise/

    There is some botanical evidence of the Gulf's saltiness affecting coastal forests. Hints at rise. Major changes are happening to the coastal marshes and forests over a very short period of time.

    Sounds like a good subject for another alarmist thread.
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    jlh49 wrote: »
    Sounds like a good subject for another alarmist thread.

    It belongs in this "idiots denying science" thread?:blowkiss
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 10,104 AG
    Sea levels rising in South Florida but no rise in North Florida?:huh
  • FibberMckeeFibberMckee Posts: 12,837 AG
    Having trouble comprehending what's been posted?
    mustang190 wrote: »
    Sea levels rising in South Florida but no rise in North Florida?

    NG article discussed affects of sea level rise in South FL & FMNH artilce discussed affects of sea level rise in North FL.
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 10,104 AG
    Having trouble comprehending what's been posted?



    NG article discussed affects of sea level rise in South FL & FMNH artilce discussed affects of sea level rise in North FL.

    NG is wrong then. It ain't rising here.
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  • fins4mefins4me Posts: 14,487 AG
    This forum is full of people who live on the water. Most are fishermen and are very much in tune with their surroundings especially the water behind their homes.

    I know the water behind my parents home in Ormond is at the same average high tide level it has been at since they first purchased it many years ago,

    I dare say that if a poll were to be taken the vast majority of posters on this forum would report the same observation.

    There has been no water level increase.
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  • jlh49jlh49 Posts: 3,127 Officer
    Cyclist wrote: »
    It belongs in this "idiots denying science" thread?:blowkiss



    You mad, Bro?

    :wink
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    MIAMI BEACH HAS HAD NINE INCHES OF SEA LEVEL RISE SINCE 1920.


    Wasserman Schultz said that in South Florida, "we've had nine inches of sea-level rise since the 1920s." That essentially matches the data collected by the National Oceantic and Atmospheric Administration. While there is considerable uncertainty about the future course of sea-level rises, Wasserman Schultz’s estimate of the historical rise appears to be on target. We rate her statement True.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/03/debbie-wasserman-schultz/debbie-wasserman-schultz-says-south-florida-weve-h/

    http://wlrn.org/post/documenting-evidence-climate-change
    For South Florida, climate change isn't part of some vague future; it's a reality today. South Florida has seen nine inches of of sea-level rise since the 1920s.
  • FibberMckeeFibberMckee Posts: 12,837 AG
    Try to deny & pretend to know better than the experts who actually measure & maintain records of sea level all you like. At the end of the day all you have is your personal opinion losing the debate to the worldwide tide gauge records.

    tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html

    PS: Link won't work. You'll have to Google 'Florida tide gauge historical data' then after seeing NOAA's global sea rise data at top of page, click on East Coast
  • NACl H2O LuvrNACl H2O Luvr Posts: 12,389 AG
    Cyclist wrote: »


    Wasserman Schultz said ....

    I stopped reading there. :idiot
  • jlh49jlh49 Posts: 3,127 Officer
    Cyclist wrote: »
    MIAMI BEACH HAS HAD NINE INCHES OF SEA LEVEL RISE SINCE 1920.


    Wasserman Schultz said that in South Florida, "we've had nine inches of sea-level rise since the 1920s." That essentially matches the data collected by the National Oceantic and Atmospheric Administration. While there is considerable uncertainty about the future course of sea-level rises, Wasserman Schultz’s estimate of the historical rise appears to be on target. We rate her statement True.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/03/debbie-wasserman-schultz/debbie-wasserman-schultz-says-south-florida-weve-h/

    http://wlrn.org/post/documenting-evidence-climate-change
    For South Florida, climate change isn't part of some vague future; it's a reality today. South Florida has seen nine inches of of sea-level rise since the 1920s.

    Debbie Wasserman Schultz!

    :Spittingcoffee

    Then obviously, it has got to be true!

    :rotflmao
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    You right wing nut jobs are as dense as heart pine.
  • jlh49jlh49 Posts: 3,127 Officer
    It is entertaining to watch the party of the more gentle and kinder people resort to name calling when faced with having to defend an argument.
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    jlh49 wrote: »
    It is entertaining to watch the party of the more gentle and kinder people resort to name calling when faced with having to defend an argument.

    It is not so entertaining seeing you people as the epitome of a failed education system. And to think you are haughty with your ignorance, that's the kicker. Your parents would not be proud.
  • jlh49jlh49 Posts: 3,127 Officer
    Cyclist wrote: »
    It is not so entertaining seeing you people as the epitome of a failed education system. And to think you are haughty with your ignorance, that's the kicker. Your parents would not be proud.

    :Spittingcoffee

    Failed education system?!!!!
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