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There's a LOT more to this than has been revealed at this point - I suggest you wait and see what comes out of this before you embarrass yourself any further.
Why am I embarrassing myself? I precluded my opinion with the fact that I'm not a legal expert.
I commented on what was not revealed in the letter and my interpretation of the regulation.
If there is more to this and it is revealed maybe it will change my mind. As to what's been revealed, it reeks of desperation!
:grin You are not a grammaticist either.
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
I know it's my florida public school education. What state were you educated in.
What was your name again?
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
Ahh, ya doesn’t has to call me Johnson! You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me RayJay, or you can call me RJ… but ya doesn’t hafta call me Johnson
As far as public schools & writing skills...I tutored studends preparing for 'Florida Writes.' Some were very good; some not so good. Wish the public school system was more demanding.
On a personal level, I am a product of a Jesuit & University of Tampa education; that's a whole different ball game.
Would be very interesting to see the backgrounds of all those affiliated with NOAA. In addition, we need to know exactly how far EDF has infiltrated into our fishery. EDF has proven to be a strong proponent of sector separation. The gulf council approved sector separation even when their own web sight received a 96.3% public comment opposition rate. It appears to be very obvious who the council actually represents.
Where did you receive yours and what is your name?
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
On the water and you can call me what ever you want!
What state did you go to grammar school in?
I neither care what you think of me or desire to know other members names. This a forum,it is a place to exchange views and ideas about our fisheries. When this forum requires me to give my identity I might do that.
I realize that asking me who I am is your fallback position and that says volumes about you.
"Speaks volumes about a person's character when he refuses to put his name behind what he says," Good point! Tom, I taught my students to always include their name whenever expressing their points of view; ALWAYS be courteous & professional.
Goes well beyond financial interest. Even non paid disclosure has its place. In this case where Council members are not allowed to lobby congress directly, being on the board of a commercial seafood lobby group is certainly a conflict. The fact that (2) of them supposedly did disclose such, at some unknown point in time, and it simply was not posted on the Councils website, indicates that at least someone involved thought it was a conflict worth noting. Additionally the fact that they are now taking the matter up with general council shows their is some question about it. Of coarse, asking internal GC to weigh in on it is like asking the Fox to guard the Hen House....the outcome is already known.
The council received a letter from the FRA legal counsel, who would you like them to take it up with their janitor. The letter sent by the FRA specifically mentioned faliure to disclose "financial intrest". I did not read any other claim in the letter you posted the link to, accusing those council members with anything else.
1)GSI is a known lobby group for the commercial seafood industry.
2)Council members are not allowed to lobby Congress.
3)3 active council members are on GSI's board, paid or not.
4)Despite disclosure requirements, at least 2 members have been GSI board members over a year
and were just now hearing about their disclosure being posted in the near future? Sound like
a scramble to fix a huge blunder? Consequences?
5)NOAA has a COI rule about any of its agents doing nothing that could lead to distrust.
Does any of this NOT sound like a very real conflict of interest?
I am not claiming to know all the ins and outs about this. I do have my questions about yours and others opinions.
The council as body is not allowed to lobby congress, Im not sure if that applies to individual council members.
I don't know if expressing your individual opinion is considered lobbying. If being a member of an organization that lobby's congress is a violation, then I guess former chairman and current council member Boyd is also in violation of the regulation since he is involved with the leadership of the CCA.
I still think that financial intrest is the most relevant issue
If you want to know how much they are paid, file a FOIA request. Unless they work for DoD, CIA, FBI or in the White House, this information should be available from a FOIA.
Try this website, it might work. If not, go the FOIA route.
http://www.wusa9.com/story/local/2012/05/14/3947123/
appropriate to see what they stand for and who they represent. Here is a recent introduction from GSI
before a Gulf Council meeting last year, at a time when at least 2 of their own were sitting on the council.
Its also important that GSI fellow board members were part of the lawsuit that is such a hot topic in what
it did to recreational access. These very council members as GSI representatives also walked the halls of DC
advocating their groups position...Lobbying. These are 3 of the Gulf Councils current council members.
http://gulfseafoodinstitute.org/207/gulf-seafood-institute-gulf-of-mexico-fishery-management-council/
somewhere, way back on page 1 or 2, I noted that Council budget is available on their web site. No need to FOIA. Ever since then, this thread had degenerated into a "he said" "she said" debacle.
I noted a long time ago, that as a moderator on a board on the other side of the internet, any thread that gets this long, has lost its purpose, and is dead. This thread has had grammar arguments, the classic Gary "who are you?" repetition, etc. Any function to this thread died after about page 3. I'm surprised that our new moderator doesn't realize this.
I am actually a very "old" moderator, being the first and reluctantly returning to the position as asked. What did you say your name was?
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
I noted a long time ago that any thread be it long or short, varying on and off topic, humorous or mundane........ If that thread eventually gets around to actually demonstrating with some proof or links someone can go off and research on their own, the dastardly deeds that lobbyist and paid shrills are doing to hijack our fisheries management system............ well then along comes you to discredit it and claim it should be locked down or holds no value or merit to the forum.
Does it upset you that we don't like crooks and unethical dealings?:grin
Very well said. Too bad there was not a Forum run by those that exploit our salty resources for personal financial gain. It would be fun to play antagonist on such a site!
This thread has turned into a real learning tool. Thanks to all who have contributed, thanks to Gary for, once again, assuming the moderator position. F/S needs moderators who know what they are doing, and thanks to F/S for the support!