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  • chubascochubasco Posts: 18,390 Officer
    Westwall01 wrote: »
    "no knocks" are served through a door ..... always! Chubasco, cut the crap
    chubasco wrote: »
    read the article

    grand jury refused to indict the homeowner who killed the cop even though the cops came through the door with the no knock and the homeowner did have drugs in his home. So you think the homeowner got away with murder?


    http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/26675-cops-do-20000-no-knock-raids-each-year-civilians-pay-the-price-when-they-go-wrong

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  • Westwall01Westwall01 Posts: 5,453 Admiral
    We don't wear "blacked out uniforms"...all have our names clearly imprinted on them...regardless. Flash bangs never go through windows, as we always have to have complete control of them... again to much TV and movies. State Attorneys and law enforcement have no control what judge gets our warrants... the judges do. You all need to do some ride-alongs to get the correct info
    Parkerboy wrote: »
    You just throw flash bangs through the window while knocking down the doors at the same time. Then you all barge in screaming at the top of your voices all the while in completely blacked out uniforms.

    The cops and state's attorneys all know "friendly" judges who will issue no knock warrants all the while submitting affadavits to judges which would win awards in a creative writing class.

    I know the system and how it works and cops are the same regardless of what state.
  • chubascochubasco Posts: 18,390 Officer
    Here's more on the case I posted


    Renken says Magee was aided by Texas’s self-defense laws. “Because of the drugs, the Castle Doctrine didn’t apply here,” she says, referring to the law that authorizes the use of deadly force in the home. “This was just traditional self-defense law. And when the Castle Doctrine doesn’t apply, Texas self defense law is still deferential to the homeowner. There’s no question that Magee killed Deputy Sowders. And there’s no question that Sowders was lawfully discharging his duty as a law enforcement officer. The question is whether a reasonable person in Magee’s position should have known that these were police officers. The grand jury determined that a reasonable person could have made the same mistake Magee did.”

    DeGuerin says the aggressive tactics were completely unnecessary. “The justification for using this sort of force was that they needed to get in before he could dispose of the evidence. But they thought he had six-foot marijuana plants. How could he have disposed of them?”

    According to DeGuerin, just a few weeks prior to the raid, another deputy responded to a noise complaint from a neighbor about Magee firing his guns. “This is a rural part of Texas, remember,” DeGuerin says. “But they sent an officer who just walked up to the house and knocked on the door. Henry answered, they talked, and that was that. Why is it that when the complaint is about shooting guns, you can approach him in a civilized manner, but when drugs are involved, you now have to break the guy’s door down?”

    “The whole process was flawed from the start,” DeGuerin says. “And the tragic thing is, a young officer is dead because of it.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2014/02/10/some-justice-in-texas-the-raid-on-henry-magee/
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    Again, do you think the homeowner got away with murder?
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  • NewberryJeffNewberryJeff Posts: 7,447 Admiral
    Westwall01 wrote: »
    I understand that many people think that we as law enforcement may be "too militarized" but to give you an idea as to what we go up against, my last warrant we served without giving too much info was.....4 subjects in a residential house, 3 of which are convicted felons (2 violent), numerous firearms including an AR 15 seen in the residence by the undercover with a drum magazine and 2 methamphetamine buys prior to the execution by law enforcement.

    Result- 5 people in custody, 2 AR-15's both with 100 round drum mags loaded, 1 AK-47 loaded, 3 9mm's, 1 .45 caliber handgun loaded, 2 shotguns, 33 grams of methamphetamine and 18 grams of marijuana and the house was next to a church with day care.

    Unfortunately the bad guys are militarized these days............

    This warrant was not the exception, this was ops normal for us to deal with


    5 people with the firepower listed getting taken down in a raid on their operations base sounds as though they were the opposite of militarized :)
  • FloridaODFloridaOD Posts: 3,666 Captain
    We train and imagine certain defense scenarios- the appearance of female as "bad guy" might give pause.
    Hunters are present yet relatively uncommon in Florida :wink
  • Don BDon B Posts: 857 Officer
    phlatsphil wrote: »
    Was the home owner's life in danger?
    Who cares? Break into some ones home expect to die.
  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 10,104 AG
    chubasco wrote: »
    ??

    I believe the key word that is missing in this topic is RISK!
    You bust into any home in any neighborhood the risk of getting killed goes up.
    If the cops wanted to take this guy why not surround the house and let him know whats up and the opportunity to surrender?
    How times have changed, how could a G-man like Elliot Ness take on the Capone gang with nothing but a .45 auto and a trench coat for protection.:wink
  • chubascochubasco Posts: 18,390 Officer
    Westwall01 wrote: »
    "no knocks" are served through a door ..... always! Chubasco, cut the crap
    chubasco wrote: »
    read the article

    grand jury refused to indict the homeowner who killed the cop even though the cops came through the door with the no knock and the homeowner did have drugs in his home. So you think the homeowner got away with murder?


    http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/26675-cops-do-20000-no-knock-raids-each-year-civilians-pay-the-price-when-they-go-wrong
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    mustang190 wrote: »
    I believe the key word that is missing in this topic is RISK!
    You bust into any home in any neighborhood the risk of getting killed goes up.
    If the cops wanted to take this guy why not surround the house and let him know whats up and the opportunity to surrender?
    How times have changed, how could a G-man like Elliot Ness take on the Capone gang with nothing but a .45 auto and a trench coat for protection.:wink


    Notice the police officer I was directing the question at ran from the subject.


    This case where the cops burst into the guys home to get this terrible criminal who was allegedly growing some pot plants is just beyond stupid. That the cop died and the homeowner was let free was understandable but, what is really sad is the total stupidity of this "war on drugs". These cops should have been focusing on violent crime and not some pot grower.

    Mustang the cops claimed they needed to go in this way so as not the risk the "perp" destroying the evidence. He was supposed to have a bunch of six foot pot plants. Wonder how he was going to flush them.

    Now some kids will not grow up with their dad to appease stupidity.
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  • phlatsphilphlatsphil Posts: 14,632 AG
    Don B wrote: »
    Who cares? Break into some ones home expect to die.
    • Do you first verify the "target" is someone you don't know?
    • Or do you just start blasting away?
    • Do you announce to the "intruder" that you called 911 and have a gun?
    • Do you take refuge in your bedroom with your gun to protect your life and wait for police to arrive?
    • Or, do you go on the hunt in your house looking for an intruder to shoot?
    • If you catch the intruder with a TV under his arm, do you open fire?
    • Ever have teenagers living at home?
    • Ever have a teenager forget their key and "break" in.... not break glass, but find a way to get in hoping not to wake you up... but do anyway because you don't sleep good when they're out with their friends?

    Just curious as to how cheap the forum talk is.

    Please note.... this ain't about police raids. jeeeezus.
  • chubascochubasco Posts: 18,390 Officer
    phlatsphil wrote: »
    • Do you first verify the "target" is someone you don't know?
    • Or do you just start blasting away?
    • Do you announce to the "intruder" that you called 911 and have a gun?
    • Do you take refuge in your bedroom with your gun to protect your life and wait for police to arrive?
    • Or, do you go on the hunt in your house looking for an intruder to shoot?
    • If you catch the intruder with a TV under his arm, do you open fire?
    • Ever have teenagers living at home?
    • Ever have a teenager forget their key and "break" in.... not break glass, but find a way to get in hoping not to wake you up... but do anyway because you don't sleep good when they're out with their friends?

    Just curious as to how cheap the forum talk is.

    Please note.... this ain't about police raids. jeeeezus.


    collateral damage ??



    Woman shoots 7-year-old grandson she mistook for an intruder

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/tampa-grandmother-mistakes-grandson-7-for-intruder-shoots-him-deputies-say/2193576


    Father Shoots And Kills 14-Year-Old Daughter, Saying He Mistook Her For Burglar


    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/12/24/3102541/father-shoots-kills-14-year-daughter-saying-mistook-burglar/


    Man shoots 16 year old daughter thinking she’s a burglar

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/bad-dad-man-shoots-daughter-thinking-shes-a-burglar-crashes-car-driving-her-to-er/


    Father Mistakes Daughter's Boyfriend For Intruder, Shoots And Kills Him


    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/father-mistakes-daughters-boyfriend-intruder-shoots-and-kills-him
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