It was never about the fish Ferris.

"EDF vice president David Festa’s projection was a 400 percent return on the investment, based on what he said was recent experiences with the imposition of catch shares in other fisheries."

http://www.fishska.com/reform/article/fishing_catch_shares_suddenly_become_hot_commodities/





Below you will find comments from a charter fisherman from Alaska where catch shares have been forced on the charter halibut fleet. This is a perspective from one who has experience with what is being pushed in the Gulf. You can form your own opinion on what the potential impact will be in the Gulf.



From: Bryan Bondioli
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:10 PM
To
Subject: RE: Breaking NEWS: Gulf Charter Industry to be owned by Saudis



The privatization of the public resources through catch shares is a bad deal for everybody and everything. Here in Ak., catch shares have resulted in hostility, animosity, and violence in our communities. Furthermore, and most importantly, catch shares have NOT resulted in a healthy sustainable halibut resource. They have allowed the commercial fishing fleet to absolutely destroy what was the last great fishery in the US. The political energy of the Commercially dominated (98% comfish/2% rec) NPFMC and IPHC has been entirely focused on creating a financial investment market for the sole benefit of the longline fleet (and commercial fishing interests) and the detriment of the Alaskan communities, charter fishing businesses, and, most significantly, the halibut resource.



As the “regulators” have spent all of their energy eliminating nearly 50% of the charter fleet and soon 50% of the recreational angling opportunities, they have spent Zero effort to manage commercial fishing practices, resulting in a fisheries induced evolution toward exponentially fewer and smaller halibut. As the “regulators” have spent all of this time manipulating “the process” under the guise of conservation, those same “regulators” and their cronies have been day trading halibut halibut quota and making millions of dollars.



Interestingly, the same Linda Behnken mentioned in the article (when chair of the NPFMC) spearheaded the implementation of commercial quota shares in Alaska. She also submitted the first (and most of the subsequent) proposals/s to implement charter IFQs. She is/has been the president of ALFA (Alaska Fishermens Longline Association) as well as an advocate/employee/”unofficial lobbyist” for the MAJOR corporations in Seattle and Portland who own the majority of halibut quota shares in Alaska. . “We shouldn’t be issuing control of our fisheries and access to our fisheries away from communities and to multinational corporations. It’s a no-brainer,” says Linda Behnken, the vice chair of the Alaska Sustainable Fisheries Trust, which works to strengthen fishing communities. The real irony is that Linda Behnken has been the driving force behind “issuing control of our fisheries and access to our fisheries away from communities”. She and her cronies have worked very hard to make sure that they have complete control over who can and cannot purchase quota share opportunities in Alaska.



The new Alaskan Catch Sharing Plan is designed around a program to reallocate recreational angling opportunities to force an artificial marketplace in which recreational anglers must pay longliners to harvest halibut. However, they only want allow the new shift by their own rules. For example, they have made sure to stress that those purchase/lease opportunities may only be done on a small scale to ensure that bequests or investments by wealthy recreational interests cannot get “an upper hand” to ensure the future of recreational angling for halibut in Alaska. It’s OK for commercial fishermen to make millions day trading quota. It’s OK for major corporations in Seattle/Portland to control and own the majority of halibut quota. Everything is OK, as long as recreational anglers and charter businesses struggle to survive and have to pay the commercial fleet to “get by”. It’s OK for Linda’s employers and cronies to make hundreds of millions while decimating the halibut resource…….as long as they are in control. There must have been a loophole somewhere that she didn’t seem coming.



Even though Magnuson?Stevens specifically prohibits outright ownership of a public resource, the Alaskan halibut IFQ program, the NPFMC/IPHC, and the new Catch “Sharing” Plan has done exactly that.



Catch Shares are a BAD Bad deal. It is devastating to the communities, devastating to the resource and has prttey much completely destroyed everything except the commercial longliners and processors financial portfolios.



I shall forever be opposed to Catch Shares and will never personally support them.



I have personally seen the sector separation and quota share programs destroy many many lives/communities/businesses and the resource.



Bryan Bondioli



Crony Capitalism Comes to the Fishing Industry


http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/crony_capitalism_comes_to_the.html

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  • The MelManThe MelMan Posts: 3,792 Captain
    This is robbery and can not stand. It reminds me of organized crime..........This kind of governance is asking for trouble.
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  • FV Miss MaryFV Miss Mary Posts: 497 Officer
    The MelMan wrote: »
    This is robbery and can not stand. It reminds me of organized crime..........This kind of governance is asking for trouble.

    Read this for a glimpse of what is ahead.

    http://www.theecologist.org/blogs_and_comments/commentators/2398220/selling_the_silver_the_enclosure_of_the_uks_fisheries.html
  • ducknfishducknfish Posts: 3,821 Officer
    See Bodine's sig
  • Nick NikonNick Nikon Posts: 2,108 Captain
    Where have we heard this before?

    "It can't happen here ... . "
  • The MelManThe MelMan Posts: 3,792 Captain

    This is just another example of government taking from the people for power and money. The evolution of socialism into fascism. It is destroying Europe now and will destroy America if we let it...........

    After the economic collapse, Icelanders became alarmed by the extent of consolidation in their huge fishing industry. By 2011, around 20 companies controlled the majority of Icelandic fishing, and therefore a significant proportion of the country's economy.

    These fishing companies were linked to politicians and ownership of the national media.


    This is simply taking the right to fish from the people and giving it to a few that the government can then control and extract money from..........and note how they excuse themselves.......Environmentalism.

    Same modus operandi as the "Global Warming" crowd. Using a make-believe problem to excuse government taking control of the people.

    Fight It!!!!!!!!
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  • FV Miss MaryFV Miss Mary Posts: 497 Officer
    The MelMan wrote: »
    This is simply taking the right to fish from the people and giving it to a few that the government can then control and extract money from..........and note how they excuse themselves.......Environmentalism.

    Same modus operandi as the "Global Warming" crowd. Using a make-believe problem to excuse government taking control of the people.

    Fight It!!!!!!!!

    Same players, same game.
  • capt louiecapt louie citrus countyPosts: 9,828 Moderator
    It's sad is what it is. We know how it should be but can't make it happen.
    "You'll get your weather"
  • BodineBodine Posts: 2,928 Captain
    I have not replied, because I should be careful about what I say.
    The fact is, the fed will do as they please, no matter the science, no
    matter the financial data. They do not care.
    The fed has gone rogue, so have I.
    Game on.












    See my sig
    F the feds
  • tapatetapate Posts: 5,253 Admiral
    ferris1248 wrote: »
    And you will lose.

    Because they make the rules. You will have to turn their rules against them in order to win.

    Otherwise you are just a martyr.

    Right. I haven't figured out how going rogue does anything but gives them fuel to fan the flames if caught.
  • kgfisherkgfisher Posts: 620 Officer
    Agreed Jeff!
    "The fishermen know that the sea is dangerous and the storm terrible, but they have never found these dangers sufficient reason for remaining ashore"

    - Vincent Van Gogh

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  • tk's joytk's joy Posts: 2,490 Officer
    So as realization sinks in, how do we change the tide?

    You notice the amount of reply's? You notice the amount of outrage?

    There's not much that is going to change.

    It's sometimes not the number of reply's necessarily Ferris. I, for one, don't post just to post. Or another way, if I don't have something to contribute, then sit and watch. I don't know the answer by a long shot. I do however see the challenges. One is, you and I and a lot of others don't LIVE IN FL, and a great deal of the discussion is about the Gulf of Mexico and FLORIDA. Now, given all that, Florida likes that a lot. WE pay taxes, we can't VOTE (they really like that), you and I along with a lot of others can camp out on Saxby Chambless and Johnny Isackson's door steps, we're not gonna' get their attention, they don't care. You can argue that GA has coastline, sure, but very little and there's not enough voters in that small piece to make a tinker's ****. What does David Perdue or whatever her real name is something Nunn care ? Probably not at all. It doesn't affect them. They got bigger things to think about right now. What neighborhood to move to in Washington. Your local Congressmen don't care, it's not their backyard either.

    If you put Green or Environmentalism in front of something then the younger people want to "get all over that". You want to line up voters, put either of those two words in front of something. Then, we , you, me Chip and all the rest who contribute to this forum, spend our disposable $$ buying boats, tackle, it goes on and on and on. We want to fight, but me, I get frustrated. Real frustrated. I've written Senators, Congressmen and used my words, not the example given to me and asked for their support in this fight. I got one reply. He's the one retiring. I know Chip and others have made the bus trips to Washington and other places, BUT the devil in this is a bigger Trojan than we've, collectively figured out how to whip. Chip said right from the beginning, "FOLLOW THE MONEY". I'll throw this in, somebody figure out how to get a bunch of those College Kids that a lot of you guys and mothers are funding to start protesting, raising hell, get them on the national news (right !) and see what they can do. Oh, they also know we're gonna' die soon and to those young kids coming up this will be the norm. They won't remember or care. I ain't taking time to proof read but I think everyone will get the msg. trying to convey. Find a retired lobbyiest (sp) who's good, bored and want's to get out of the house, get him/her fired up, pat'em on the butt and send them out the door. Oh, point them North.

    Frustrated !

    Terry
  • BodineBodine Posts: 2,928 Captain
    I think it is a done deal, and has been for several years.
    It is quite obvious, this administration cares ZERO about jobs.
    Look at the steps they are taking in the energy fields.
    Recreational fishing is something they know little about, and care about even less.
    It will bring far less attention than coal fired power plants and pipelines.
    This will not affect the feds, but it will affect the gulf states.
    F the feds
  • illinoisfishermanillinoisfisherman Posts: 5,239 Admiral
    I am another that can not believe the manufacturers, retailers & suppliers of all the boats and equipment that are used can't seem to get behind a united front to combat this injustice. Then there are those in the vacation and service industry that are being effected. Just why can't they all row in the same direction? It's beyond me. Years ago there was an effort began on here to dig out possible corruption in the fisheries management process. Not much in the way of support there either. It's sad to say but too few actually care. Sad.
  • FV Miss MaryFV Miss Mary Posts: 497 Officer
    This is how they do it...propaganda. The National Socialist Party of Germany learned the very effective technique from Americans like Edward Bernays.

    http://www.nhregister.com/lifestyle/20141001/overfishing-overhunting-kill-half-of-all-vertebrate-animals-since-1970
  • FV Miss MaryFV Miss Mary Posts: 497 Officer
    Read the history of the founding of this country Ferris. It takes a highly motivated minority to accomplish great things, Young people did not sign the Declaration of Independance.

    The young around us were raised with an understanding of reason and logic we can't grasp. Think ones and zeros and buttons on a keypad. Despite the efforts of media and academia to use emotion to control them they will eventually fail.

    They are waiting for signs of leadership from men as wise and feeble as Benjamin Franklin. Just sayin'.
  • FV Miss MaryFV Miss Mary Posts: 497 Officer
    The MelMan wrote: »
    This is just another example of government taking from the people for power and money. The evolution of socialism into fascism. It is destroying Europe now and will destroy America if we let it...........

    After the economic collapse, Icelanders became alarmed by the extent of consolidation in their huge fishing industry. By 2011, around 20 companies controlled the majority of Icelandic fishing, and therefore a significant proportion of the country's economy.

    These fishing companies were linked to politicians and ownership of the national media.


    This is simply taking the right to fish from the people and giving it to a few that the government can then control and extract money from..........and note how they excuse themselves.......Environmentalism.

    Same modus operandi as the "Global Warming" crowd. Using a make-believe problem to excuse government taking control of the people.

    Fight It!!!!!!!!


    Sent today. Every political leader from every affected Gulf state should be involved in this issue. Oct 21, 22, and 23 are the critical dates to stand up and be heard. Every piece of info coming out speaks volumes as to why sector separation should not be moved forward. Everyone should demand their state and local officials get involved.

    BZ2



    From: Bob Zales 2 [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 8:42 AM
    To: 'Roy Crabtree - NOAA Federal'; '[email protected]'; nick wiley; 'McCawley, Jessica'; pam dana ([email protected]); john sanchez; 'Roy Williams'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; 'Robin Riechers'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; 'Doug Boyd'; 'Doug Gregory'; 'Bob Shipp'; 'Bob Shipp'; 'Donaldson, David M.'; 'Johnny Greene ([email protected])'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; [email protected]; 'Greg' 'Stunz'; 'David Walker'
    Cc: Thompson, Melissa; 'DeFilippis, Michael'; 'Decker, Sara (Commerce)'; 'Sher, Lauren (Bill Nelson)'
    Subject: gulf council vote on proposed amendment 40, sector separation



    I sent the below out this morning after reading several docs on the gulf council ftp server. The docs read were on the “ssc meeting 2014-10” file. These docs were discussed by the ssc at their recent meeting in Tampa earlier this week. I send this to y’all since proposed amend 40 is up for final action in 3 weeks. I and many others have questioned the passage of this amendment for many reasons not least of which is the data used to determine the percentage split between the for hire and private recreational components is highly questionable and suspect at best. It seems that almost every day we learn of more issues about the suspect data with the latest now that the nmfs southeast headboat logbook survey has serious issues with compliance and serious credibility issues.



    I respectfully remind all that the headboat survey has been touted as one of the better data sources for years since it is a required logbook system and should be a complete census. Apparently many of the problems with a for hire logbook program that have been pointed out by the folks at MRFSS/MRIP for over 20 years are true. There is also info from the calibration workshop that is still being discussed so no real decision has been made on how the new sampling system will affect current and past harvest data.



    In addition to the headboat issues there is info on the abundance of red snapper off Alabama that apparently shows more red snapper on artificial and natural reefs than previously thought meaning there are more red snapper than previously thought. Due to the continued change of info re red snapper and the serious issues with the harvest data from the recreational sector I respectfully submit you think long and hard at approval of amend 40. As I and others have pointed out for many months much more info, much more work on the data, and much more info on the status of the red snapper stock needs to be known before any rush to separate the recreational sector.



    The impact of sec sep on anglers, small family fishing businesses, local fishing communities will be extremely significant. Any vote to approve sec sep based on the current data sets and what we learn everyday needs to be well thought out. Do you really want to affect so many lives based on such flawed recreational data and on such a lack of knowledge of the real status of the red snapper stock? All indications are that red snapper is far more abundant than previously thought. All new info continues to verify this. The only real problem with the ability to harvest more is the requirements of msa and the guidelines created by the nmfs that are all based on arbitrary and non scientific perimeters to determine over fishing and over fished. When you consider “uncertainty” in the science you should most certainly consider “uncertainty” in available data used to determine any percentage split in sec sep.



    The future of recreational fishing is at stake and are you truly ready to make such a decision based on what you have been provided? Your decision will affect this future.



    Bob Zales, II





    If you cannot open the below files go to www.gulfcouncil.org then click on the ftp server on the left side of the site and follow prompts. When you get to the site double click on “file station” and then on “library folder” then “ssc meeting 2014 -10” then on “other business headboat issues” and then on each doc. Apparently the headboat logbook system is not the cure all some have touted.
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