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Conchy CrackerConchy Cracker Posts: 10,454 Officer
Seems he never existed. So now what?

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Jesus never existed. That is the conclusion of a researcher who says he has combed 126 texts written during or shortly after the time Jesus is supposed to have lived — and found no mention of Jesus whatsoever.

The claim that Jesus, the messianic figure at the center of the world’s largest religion, Christianity, was simply a fictional character is not a new one. Advocates of the “Mythical Jesus” theory have been around for years, arguing that the story of Jesus bears a close resemblance to numerous other mythological stories of ancient gods who were born of virgin mothers and performed miracles.

In a new article entitled “The Fable of the Christ,” Michael Paulkovich summarizes his findings, or lack of findings, which lead him to believe that Jesus never actually existed, but is instead a fictional character, made up to give followers of the religion founded in his name a central icon worthy of their worship.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1504964/jesus-never-existed/#RjBvq4EJ5xxibbqJ.99
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  • tagtag Posts: 8,920 Admiral
    Islam says Jesus lived.
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    500 years later ;)
  • SpineymanSpineyman Destin, FlPosts: 8,353 Admiral
    That is great however you will give an account to the One whom you claim never lived.
    Kayak Rookie...and loving it.
    Fishing beautiful Destin / Ft Walton Beach area!

    II Chronicles 7:14
    if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.



  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
  • Conchy CrackerConchy Cracker Posts: 10,454 Officer
    greggl wrote: »
    500 years later ;)

    I just can't get the image out of my mind of Tag sitting at his computer saying....


    Wait.... What?
  • Conchy CrackerConchy Cracker Posts: 10,454 Officer
    mustang190 wrote: »

    Thanks for the help in debunking Jesus but the article pretty much covered all that.
  • FreeLinerFreeLiner Posts: 1,573 Captain
    “Christianity” shortly after the supposed death of Jesus, never says that Jesus was a a real person — even in the Bible itself."

    Just for clarity sake Conchy... You're a real person right? Havent actually heard anyone mention that lately or at all.
  • BudaBuda Posts: 2,062 Captain
    Jesus Christ is the greatest person ever! Nobody else in history can compare with Him.
    More books have been written about Him than any other person.
    He and His teachings are central to the most sold and most universally published book ever, the Bible.
    He has inspired all kinds of creative works, such as songs, artworks, and even movies have been made about Him since the dawn of cinema. Watch Jesus videos.
    He is mentioned on more websites than any other person.
    Countless lives have been touched by the many charities founded in dedication to Him and His teachings, such as World Vision, Compassion
    Multitudes bear witness of His power to heal broken hearts, lives and bodies, To listen to testimonies of lives changed by Jesus visit: www.unshackled.org
    Millions, possibly billions, of people around the world, worship Him as the the eternally living Son of God who once died for the sins of the whole world, and came back alive again.
    Everyday He is mentioned by name more often than any other person, some use it in prayer, some when they swear.
    Every year His birth to a virgin is remembered and celebrated more than any other birth. Even the years of the common calendar are counted from the time of His birth.
    Jesus is somebody nobody can ignore! If there is any person worth learning more about it is Jesus!

    If you want to know more about Jesus and Christianity, then read about His life and teachings in the Bible, you can also talk to Him in prayer, and meeting other followers of Jesus will help you on your journey.

    Most simply put, Christianity is about loving God our Creator with all our heart, soul, mind and body, and loving other people in the same way Jesus Christ has loved each of us.

    The Basic Message of Christianity:

    Our Creator loves us so much, He came to earth as a flesh and blood person called Jesus. He came to us so we could come to Him. Sinful disobedience to God had broken mankind's relationship with Him. This disunity with the Source of Life also caused death and disorder to enter the good world God had made. To end our separation from God, Jesus made a way for us to be free from sin. He did this by sacrificing His own sinless life on a cross for the sins of the world, and by rising from the grave to live forever. Jesus returned to Heaven, but His life-giving Spirit is among us today. He lives inside those that love Him. He's also calling all those in darkness to trust their lives to Him. For only in Him we are free to live in the loving light of God's holy presence, now in this world, and forever in the perfect world which is to come.

    Read more about Jesus and the truth at: www.truth.info

    jesuschrist.net
  • SchmidtySchmidty Posts: 6,814 Admiral
    Jesus Christ is the son of God....

    So many here just don't believe in God so I guess that it's reasonable that they would have any belief in Jesus either....

    No skin off my nose....it matters not to me if people believe in God or not...

    Good luck on judgment day!:rotflmao
  • Baits OutBaits Out Posts: 12,331 AG
    I think this post is a clever joke about a nothing topic, just to stir the pot and get the thumpers all in an intense tizzy.

    :)

    On second thought, it is really not nice to antagonize these poor people who need such a coping crutch.

    A southeast Florida laid back beach bum and volunteer bikini assessor who lives on island time. 
  • frankfrank Posts: 13,292 AG
    Baits Out wrote: »
    I think this post is a clever joke about a nothing topic, just to stir the pot and get the thumpers all in an intense tizzy.

    :)

    On second thought, it is really not nice to antagonize these poor people who need such a coping crutch.


    it's asinine to poke fun of people's faith in my opinion
    what does it matter what folks want to believe to long as it doesn't effect others
  • Billy No MatesBilly No Mates Posts: 3,191 Captain
    frank wrote: »
    what does it matter what folks want to believe to long as it doesn't effect others

    Because poking fun at others they don't have to face on the internet is an American pastime.
  • dstockwelldstockwell Posts: 13,814 AG
    Spineyman wrote: »
    That is great however you will give an account to the One whom you claim never lived.
    Folklore.
    It is not the responsibility of the United States to solve the problems of other countries.
  • SchmidtySchmidty Posts: 6,814 Admiral
    Baits Out wrote: »
    I think this post is a clever joke about a nothing topic, just to stir the pot and get the thumpers all in an intense tizzy.

    :)

    On second thought, it is really not nice to antagonize these poor people who need such a coping crutch.

    People use all sorts of "crutches"...Baits Out...

    Some use drugs....alcohol...

    ...some are full of hate...some beat their wife...some are molesters of children....animals....

    ...others ....well....they feel that it's their purpose on this earth to mock God and constantly harass and harangue with insult and innuendo those who believe in a spiritual power higher than themselves ......

    Hey!....it's OK! You were given "free will" by God.....

    .....good luck.....
  • gunby31gunby31 Posts: 5,777 Officer
    Buda wrote: »
    Santa Claus is the greatest person ever! Nobody else in history can compare with Him.
    More books have been written about Him than any other person.
    He and His teachings are central to the most sold and most universally published book ever, the Bible.
    He has inspired all kinds of creative works, such as songs, artworks, and even movies have been made about Him since the dawn of cinema. Watch Santa videos.
    He is mentioned on more websites than any other person.
    Countless lives have been touched by the many charities founded in dedication to Him and His teachings, such as World Vision, Compassion
    Multitudes bear witness of His power to heal broken hearts, lives and bodies, To listen to testimonies of lives changed by Santa visit: www.unshackled.org
    Millions, possibly billions, of people around the world, worship Him.
    Everyday He is mentioned by name more often than any other person, some use it in prayer, some when they swear.
    Santa{/B] is somebody nobody can ignore! If there is any person worth learning more about it is Santa!

    If you want to know more about Santa and Christianity, then read about His life, you can also talk to Him in prayer, and meeting other followers of Santa will help you on your journey.

    Most simply put, Christianity is about loving God our Creator with all our heart, soul, mind and body, and loving other people in the same way Santa has loved each of us.


    I thought you were talking about Santa so I FIFY.
  • phlatsphilphlatsphil Posts: 14,632 AG
    FreeLiner wrote: »
    “Christianity” shortly after the supposed death of Jesus, never says that Jesus was a a real person — even in the Bible itself."

    If the bible never mentions Jesus being a real person, then what is the source for the stories about Mary looking for a place to spend a cold night, having to spend it in the stable, giving birth to a child in the stable, and the 3 wise men coming to visit? If that ain't in the bible, then where is this story written?

    frank wrote: »
    what does it matter what folks want to believe to long as it doesn't effect others

    "doesn't affect others"? Are you crazy or just plain stupid? Christianity is responsible for more wars, more slaughter of innocent human beings, more diseases being spread to parts of the world that never had exposure to disease, than any other belief system or religion or movement.

    To this day, radical christians keep trying to force their beliefs on everyone else. In a civilized society, they do it with legislation.
  • fishbitfishbit Posts: 608 Officer
    So, you put your faith in a comic book writer and want to questions others faith?????????

    A kinetic graphic novel by Arnold Pander & Jonathan Vankin
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  • jlh49jlh49 Posts: 3,127 Officer
    Baits Out wrote: »
    I think this post is a clever joke about a nothing topic, just to stir the pot and get the thumpers all in an intense tizzy.

    :)

    On second thought, it is really not nice to antagonize these poor people who need such a coping crutch.

    No, this post is just one of countless millions of those who constantly peruse, search, examine, and hope for anything that will support their futile anti-God rhetoric. Coping crutches excluded, of course!

    :wink
  • Ol MuckyOl Mucky Posts: 5,540 Admiral
    There a crapload of Mexican mothers right now, totally regretting the decision they made to name their sons
    I have a much bigger and more powerful button
  • Grady-ladyGrady-lady east of the river, west of the woodsPosts: 5,282 Admiral
    Schmidty wrote: »
    People use all sorts of "crutches"...Baits Out...

    Some use drugs....alcohol...

    ...and some, like me, use chocolate...worked great, until I ate the crutch.
    I find my peace out on the sand...Beside the sea, not beyond or behind. R.A. Britt

  • Now let's see what a credentialed textural historian has to say.

    Did Jesus Exist?
    Bart D. Ehrman PhD.
    Author, 'Forged: Writing in the Name of God—Why the Bible’s Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are'

    In a society in which people still claim the Holocaust did not happen, and in which there are resounding claims that the American president is, in fact, a Muslim born on foreign soil, is it any surprise to learn that the greatest figure in the history of Western civilization, the man on whom the most powerful and influential social, political, economic, cultural and religious institution in the world -- the Christian church -- was built, the man worshipped, literally, by billions of people today -- is it any surprise to hear that Jesus never even existed?

    That is the claim made by a small but growing cadre of (published ) writers, bloggers and Internet junkies who call themselves mythicists. This unusually vociferous group of nay-sayers maintains that Jesus is a myth invented for nefarious (or altruistic) purposes by the early Christians who modeled their savior along the lines of pagan divine men who, it is alleged, were also born of a virgin on Dec. 25, who also did miracles, who also died as an atonement for sin and were then raised from the dead.

    Few of these mythicists are actually scholars trained in ancient history, religion, biblical studies or any cognate field, let alone in the ancient languages generally thought to matter for those who want to say something with any degree of authority about a Jewish teacher who (allegedly) lived in first-century Palestine. There are a couple of exceptions: of the hundreds -- thousands? -- of mythicists, two (to my knowledge) actually have Ph.D. credentials in relevant fields of study. But even taking these into account, there is not a single mythicist who teaches New Testament or Early Christianity or even Classics at any accredited institution of higher learning in the Western world. And it is no wonder why. These views are so extreme and so unconvincing to 99.99 percent of the real experts that anyone holding them is as likely to get a teaching job in an established department of religion as a six-day creationist is likely to land on in a bona fide department of biology.

    Why then is the mythicist movement growing, with advocates so confident of their views and vocal -- even articulate -- in their denunciation of the radical idea that Jesus actually existed? It is, in no small part, because these deniers of Jesus are at the same time denouncers of religion -- a breed of human now very much in vogue. And what better way to malign the religious views of the vast majority of religious persons in the western world, which remains, despite everything, overwhelmingly Christian, than to claim that the historical founder of their religion was in fact the figment of his followers' imagination?

    The view, however, founders on its own premises. The reality -- sad or salutary -- is that Jesus was real. And that is the subject of my new book, "Did Jesus Exist?"

    It is true that Jesus is not mentioned in any Roman sources of his day. That should hardly count against his existence, however, since these same sources mention scarcely anyone from his time and place. Not even the famous Jewish historian, Josephus, or even more notably, the most powerful and important figure of his day, Pontius Pilate.

    It is also true that our best sources about Jesus, the early Gospels, are riddled with problems. These were written decades after Jesus' life by biased authors who are at odds with one another on details up and down the line. But historians can never dismiss sources simply because they are biased. You may not trust Rush Limbaugh's views of Sandra Fluke, but he certainly provides evidence that she exists.

    The question is not whether sources are biased but whether biased sources can be used to yield historically reliable information, once their biased chaff is separated from the historical kernel. And historians have devised ways of doing just that.

    With respect to Jesus, we have numerous, independent accounts of his life in the sources lying behind the Gospels (and the writings of Paul) -- sources that originated in Jesus' native tongue Aramaic and that can be dated to within just a year or two of his life (before the religion moved to convert pagans in droves). Historical sources like that are is pretty astounding for an ancient figure of any kind. Moreover, we have relatively extensive writings from one first-century author, Paul, who acquired his information within a couple of years of Jesus' life and who actually knew, first hand, Jesus' closest disciple Peter and his own brother James. If Jesus did not exist, you would think his brother would know it.

    Moreover, the claim that Jesus was simply made up falters on every ground. The alleged parallels between Jesus and the "pagan" savior-gods in most instances reside in the modern imagination: We do not have accounts of others who were born to virgin mothers and who died as an atonement for sin and then were raised from the dead (despite what the sensationalists claim ad nauseum in their propagandized versions).

    Moreover, aspects of the Jesus story simply would not have been invented by anyone wanting to make up a new Savior. The earliest followers of Jesus declared that he was a crucified messiah. But prior to Christianity, there were no Jews at all, of any kind whatsoever, who thought that there would be a future crucified messiah. The messiah was to be a figure of grandeur and power who overthrew the enemy. Anyone who wanted to make up a messiah would make him like that. Why did the Christians not do so? Because they believed specifically that Jesus was the Messiah. And they knew full well that he was crucified. The Christians did not invent Jesus. They invented the idea that the messiah had to be crucified.

    One may well choose to resonate with the concerns of our modern and post-modern cultural despisers of established religion (or not). But surely the best way to promote any such agenda is not to deny what virtually every sane historian on the planet -- Christian, Jewish, Muslim, pagan, agnostic, atheist, what have you -- has come to conclude based on a range of compelling historical evidence.

    Whether we like it or not, Jesus certainly existed.



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  • jlh49jlh49 Posts: 3,127 Officer
    "... Why then is the mythicist movement growing, with advocates so confident of their views and vocal -- even articulate -- in their denunciation of the radical idea that Jesus actually existed? It is, in no small part, because these deniers of Jesus are at the same time denouncers of religion -- a breed of human now very much in vogue..."

    Says it all!
  • Ssoto0055Ssoto0055 Posts: 2,139 Officer
    Schmidty wrote: »
    .

    Good luck on judgment day!:rotflmao

    Hopefully you aren't fumbling your words when Allah asks you why you didn't believe in his one and only son Muhammad. Perhaps though, we're overreacting. The light we see when are dying might be nothing more than the opening of the next vajina that's going to bring us screaming into this world.

    Censoring the word vajina? Really? It's the proper term. If I had to turn in a paper for a physiology class, that is the term the professor would expect me to use when referring to the female reproductive organ.
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    What I find interesting is the power struggle and politics that resulted in god and jesus being the deities of choice instead of the thousands of other gods of fable and myth.

    They both are based on war, death and genocide. Not a good beginning.
  • Ol MuckyOl Mucky Posts: 5,540 Admiral
    Cyclist wrote: »
    What I find interesting is the power struggle and politics that resulted in god and jesus being the deities of choice instead of the thousands of other gods of fable and myth.

    They both are based on war, death and genocide. Not a good beginning.

    And I thought they were both based on control and $$$
    I have a much bigger and more powerful button
  • Ssoto0055Ssoto0055 Posts: 2,139 Officer
    Ol Mucky wrote: »
    There a crapload of Mexican mothers right now, totally regretting the decision they made to name their sons

    It's not just Mexican. It happens all across Central and South America.
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    Ol Mucky wrote: »
    And I thought they were both based on control and $$$

    I forget those. A more recent manifestation maybe.
  • FibberMckeeFibberMckee Posts: 12,837 AG
    Jesus was illegitimate from the 1st page of the myth. Hard to debunk what's always been presented as illegitimate.

    Jesus the man might have been modeled on a real person, but all the supernatural magic & ghost stories attached to the messiah myth were regurgitated bunk from day one & still are.
  • NOLE66NOLE66 Posts: 1,630 Officer
    Seems he never existed. So now what?

    Text:

    Jesus never existed. That is the conclusion of a researcher who says he has combed 126 texts written during or shortly after the time Jesus is supposed to have lived — and found no mention of Jesus whatsoever.

    The claim that Jesus, the messianic figure at the center of the world’s largest religion, Christianity, was simply a fictional character is not a new one. Advocates of the “Mythical Jesus” theory have been around for years, arguing that the story of Jesus bears a close resemblance to numerous other mythological stories of ancient gods who were born of virgin mothers and performed miracles.

    In a new article entitled “The Fable of the Christ,” Michael Paulkovich summarizes his findings, or lack of findings, which lead him to believe that Jesus never actually existed, but is instead a fictional character, made up to give followers of the religion founded in his name a central icon worthy of their worship.

    Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1504964/jesus-never-existed/#RjBvq4EJ5xxibbqJ.99

    Uhhhhhhh, Satan attempted to debunk Christ, and it didn't work. So some mortal says he has been debunked? Impossible!
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