The official end of FCFS (at least for now)

HuntnFL · September 2014

Dear Florida hunter:

This is to let you know about a change regarding the processes the FWC uses to reissue returned quota permits. In light of the popularity of public hunting opportunities in Florida, combined with the recent difficulties with the first-come, first-served processes for reissuing returned quota permits, we have reviewed the Recreational Licensing Issuance Services (RLIS) system and considered customer feedback and needs. Based on the desire to best serve our stakeholders, we have decided to now reissue returned quota permits by random drawing. This new process will begin this Saturday, September 6.

We will see how long this system lasts.

BowtechGen3 · September 2014

Well this SUCKS!

down4dacount · September 2014

BowtechGen3 wrote: »

Well this SUCKS!

:Agree

Duckbill68 · September 2014

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
That sucks! FWC sucks! Rather than fix the problem, dump the system.

down4dacount · September 2014

just like when it went non transferable , they thought it would improve and they still ain't getting permits and we now go to random draw , they still not gonna get permits . What to **** about next . Gotta love public land .

Glenn · September 2014

For those who did not get the MEMO....

Dear Florida hunter:

This is to let you know about a change regarding the processes the FWC uses to reissue returned quota permits. In light of the popularity of public hunting opportunities in Florida, combined with the recent difficulties with the first-come, first-served processes for reissuing returned quota permits, we have reviewed the Recreational Licensing Issuance Services (RLIS) system and considered customer feedback and needs. Based on the desire to best serve our stakeholders, we have decided to now reissue returned quota permits by random drawing. This new process will begin this Saturday, September 6.

¨ The process for returning quota permits will remain the same – hunters may return permits online ten or more days in advance of the hunt. All permits returned Saturday through Friday will be available in each weekly reissue period.

¨ The Permit Availability webpage will show all permits as they are returned, just as it always has. Each Saturday, hunters can see all hunts available to apply for by looking at the “Available Quota” column.

¨ The application periods for the weekly quota reissues will be Saturday at 12:00 noon Eastern time through Tuesday at 12:00 noon Eastern time.

¨ Standard quota rules and exemptions apply. Only one application per permit type may be submitted per customer, with up to five choices per application.

¨ Applications may be submitted online at License.MyFWC.com or at a license agent.

¨ Random drawings will be conducted on Tuesday afternoons, and results will be posted by 10:00 a.m. on Wednesdays.

¨ Any permits that are leftover after each week’s drawings will be available on a first-come, first-served basis from Wednesday morning at 10:00 a.m. through Friday.

Thank you for your patience and understanding as our agency has worked through these changes to make this process as fair as possible for our stakeholders.

Best of luck this season, and thank you for hunting in Florida!

FWC Office of Licensing and Permitting

FWC Division of Hunting and Game Management

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BowtechGen3 · September 2014

down4dacount wrote: »

just like when it went non transferable , they thought it would improve and they still ain't getting permits and we now go to random draw , they still not gonna get permits . What to **** about next . Gotta love public land .

Thats the Truth I can only imagine what the future has in store for us....

james 14 · September 2014

Wonderful! :rolleyes

You get one application PER PERMIT type with FIVE choices for each. Absolute worst case scenario. I understand the fairness of having a drawing instead but the pool just increased at least 5 fold. I'd rather a decent chance at one hunt than no chance at 5. Better start buying lotto tickets because you have a better shot at winning that and buying your own land.

davidflorida · September 2014

there will be a lot of wasted permits now.

Reel Teal · September 2014

**** I wish they would have moved the time. Because I know im better on a computer than most lol oh well.

I think this comes from comments on here where some people cannot get in and others get 2 or 3 permits. Their system just can't handle it. I would imagine they're gonna get a better system to handle and fcfs will come back....hopefully on a weekend

ROGERSANCHEZ · September 2014

james 14 wrote: »

Wonderful! :rolleyes

You get one application PER PERMIT type with FIVE choices for each. Absolute worst case scenario. I understand the fairness of having a drawing instead but the pool just increased at least 5 fold. I'd rather a decent chance at one hunt than no chance at 5. Better start buying lotto tickets because you have a better shot at winning that and buying your own land.

They dropped the ball there BIG TIME. They should have made you choose from ALL available hunts within your 5 choices (wild hog, archery, GG, ML, etc). There will be a boat load of wasted permits. I can see it now..... "let me see, what do I choose as my 5th choice for archery?? Hey, XXXXX WMA, why not!". I'm not pleased with this decision to change from FCFS and I'm even more displeased with this new format. The window to apply is way too long as well, in my opinion. Rant over, haha.

Reel Teal · September 2014

ROGERSANCHEZ wrote: »

They dropped the ball there BIG TIME. They should have made you choose from ALL available hunts within your 5 choices (wild hog, archery, GG, ML, etc). There will be a boat load of wasted permits. I can see it now..... "let me see, what do I choose as my 5th choice for archery?? Hey, XXXXX WMA, why not!". I'm not pleased with this decision to change from FCFS and I'm even more displeased with this new format. The window to apply is way too long as well, in my opinion. Rant over, haha.

Agree it should be a short window so that casual hunters just dont apply for the hell of it. Hell I apply the first 15 min the draw window opens and its usually open 10 days lol

spfldbowhunter · September 2014

The whiners have it...

down4dacount · September 2014

Reel Teal wrote: »

I would imagine they're gonna get a better system to handle and fcfs will come back....hopefully on a weekend

:rotflmao never gonna see FCFS , EVER !!!!

kgator · September 2014

Agree, people are going to apply because they can. Many more permits will go to waste because there is nothing to lose. Might as well give all the permits to PETA and let them deal with it.

binellishtr · September 2014

and I just figured out what FCFS meant.... I guess the spinning barrel will prevail after all. Where do you send you red ticket in for this new drawing?

evilman00 · September 2014

For me works better i least i got the chance to re apply,,, i was never available at 10 am ,, anyways those permits were gone in half a second

DONY 1 · September 2014

Say good bye to the fcfs system. It will never come back. Once they take it away it's gone. And for all you guys that think this is a better idea please post up all the hunts you're able to get with this new draw. If I remember right there was an awful lot of *****in about not drawing hunts in the 1st and 2nd phase. Now take 3/4's of the same amount of people and apply them to a handful of permits and what do you get? The same amount of permits you got before. Jack *****

mrbill · September 2014

not to point fingers or call people out but its **** funny the first ones *****ing about this are the ones with more permits then any one person should have and not to stop at one or two hunt and let other have some .....its not being fair and let other have chances at permits !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pbsnooker · September 2014

Finally a FAIR system! Permits are still going to be returned, permits are still going to be re-issued, you have the same equal chance to draw one as the next guy! I hope they never go back to fcfs! And believe it or not, you don't need a quota to go to the woods with friends and famillly, enjoy yourself and still have the opportunity to harvest something.

Iggy7 · September 2014

On one hand, I hate to see the FCFS go. I like it when it is working. On the other hand, I have been frozen out for the last 3-4 weeks with no shot at a permit. At least I have an outside shot now. Here's hoping they bring back FCFS, but with a system that can actually handle all the traffic.

PalmettoKid · September 2014

%*^# this. I'm going snook fishing.

GrillaG · September 2014

spfldbowhunter wrote: »

The whiners have it...

That bites, I kinda liked the redraw thing. At least u knew the people getting the permits were ones they would actually use. Random drawing ? Booooooooo !

Skunk Ape · September 2014

What's really sad is all the tens of thousands public land acres that no or very limited hunting. Just think if they opened it all up and followed the seasons the state allows. Nobody would complain and it would never be over crowded.

binellishtr · September 2014

Skunk Ape wrote: »

What's really sad is all the tens of thousands public land acres that no or very limited hunting. Just think if they opened it all up and followed the seasons the state allows. Nobody would complain and it would never be over crowded.

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINER

PalmettoKid · September 2014

pbsnooker wrote: »

Finally a FAIR system!

FCFS was fair, not a drawing where I can apply for 10 of my buddies who normally wouldn't or don't know how to because if I get them a permit they will let me guest.

Still sound fair?

hunterzack · September 2014

Better start saving those preferance points if you ever want to win a quata hunt again.

JRussell · September 2014

james 14 wrote: »

Wonderful! :rolleyes

You get one application PER PERMIT type with FIVE choices for each. Absolute worst case scenario. I understand the fairness of having a drawing instead but the pool just increased at least 5 fold. I'd rather a decent chance at one hunt than no chance at 5. Better start buying lotto tickets because you have a better shot at winning that and buying your own land.

YEP!

You guys who are happy about this must not be too good with calculating odds because they just went to **** for everyone. Oh and not only do we get to pick 5 choices for each season BUT so do our wives, kids, and other friends/family members.

I also find it incredibly ironic that the majority of those posting on this thread so far are unhappy about the change.

JRussell · September 2014

PalmettoKid wrote: »

FCFS was fair, not a drawing where I can apply for 10 of my buddies who normally wouldn't or don't know how to because if I get them a permit they will let me guest.

Still sound fair?

Exactly. Those who wanted it more and were more committed did better at FCFS. Now everyone loses and lots of permits will go to waste.

hunterzack · September 2014

Complete bs.. What amazes me is that there was no way for the general public to even input their piece of mind on the matter. there is no where on the fwc website, or their facebook at that, to show the posibity to changing over. if it were not for this forum and a comment made by the admin then NO ONE would of know.
"considered customer feedback and needs. Based on the desire to best serve our stakeholders, we have decided to now reissue returned quota permits by random drawing."
How did the general public know about the transition?
No matter how you put it, its wrong. something of that big of an effect on hunting should have public knowlage, and not be done in the shadows whre no one can speak.

pbsnooker · September 2014

All those people you mentioned, were they sitting at the computer at 10 am on Tuesday's? If not at least they will have a chance to draw a permit now!

The official end of FCFS (at least for now)

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