Red Snapper Reallocation - Not for the recreational sector, sorry

surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 4,722 Captain
Fishy stuff for sure.

http://www.joincca.org/articles/668
Tight Lines, Steve
My posts are my opinion only.

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  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 8,960 Admiral
    Yep, reminds me of the days when the FCA had Russ Nelson, staff and most of the FMFC in their pocket.

    Frustrating, ain't it?
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 4,722 Captain
    I wish that was even remotely true.
    Tight Lines, Steve
    My posts are my opinion only.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 8,960 Admiral
    It is true.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • TypicleseTypiclese Posts: 385 Officer
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    It is true.
    Kind of like your gillnet in freshwater dream eh number zero?
  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 4,722 Captain
    Well the MFC was certainly never ever in anyway friendly to the recreational fisherman anymore than the current NMFS is, Nelson however was a consultant for CCA after his stint with the MFC. Now the MFC might have been pushing for more conservation in our commercial fisheries and I can certainly see how the commercial fisherman would not like that one bit, and you could probably blame CCA for that as well. What is going on today is just plain old corruption.
    Tight Lines, Steve
    My posts are my opinion only.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 8,960 Admiral
    Typiclese wrote: »
    Kind of like your gillnet in freshwater dream eh number zero?
    So, you are saying that we don't have a gill net program for Gizzard Shad in Lake George or Lake Apopka?

    I assure you that we do.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 8,960 Admiral
    Typiclese wrote: »
    Kind of like your gillnet in freshwater dream eh number zero?


    http://floridaswater.com/waterbodies/harvestingshad.html
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 8,960 Admiral
    Wow, gill nets as a management tool!

    Get it tip?
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 4,722 Captain
    They can be and could have been if they were managed properly, that's the catch.

    Now back to the subject of the thread, the NMFS is in bed with the commercial sector and the EDF and they don't like it when they are presented with the facts and the truth so they get rid of the whistle blowers and make up new rules. It is funny how we are hearing literally nothing in the media about all the corruption going on these days in the IRS and virtually every other branch of this administrations government. Holy smokes!
    Tight Lines, Steve
    My posts are my opinion only.
  • FlatsFrenzyFlatsFrenzy Posts: 893 Officer
    Went to a Tampa restaurant just last night...red snapper was prominently offered as a "special"...I chose pork instead.

    The best way to have an impact, as an individual, is to refuse to purchase red snapper (and other gulf species) when its offered via commercial sources.
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    Chris
    Gulf Coast of FL
    @flatsfrenzy #flyonly #onelessspinrod
  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 10,535 AG
    Oh God, Oh God, please don't strike me down!!

    The problem is NOT the commercial fishermen..............it's the lack of support( by the industry) for the recreational fishermen and the lack of a united front of recreational fishermen.
    I mean seriously, how many different "factions" do we have "fighting" for the recs?

    United we stand and divided we fall...............the comms figured this out a long time ago.
    They saw that for now it's better to get in bed with the NGO's and save their **** "For now"

    What they are not seeing is that they are the next target.
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 8,960 Admiral
    Oh God, Oh God, please don't strike me down!!

    The problem is NOT the commercial fishermen..............it's the lack of support( by the industry) for the recreational fishermen and the lack of a united front of recreational fishermen.
    I mean seriously, how many different "factions" do we have "fighting" for the recs?

    United we stand and divided we fall...............the comms figured this out a long time ago.
    They saw that for now it's better to get in bed with the NGO's and save their **** "For now"

    What they are not seeing is that they are the next target.
    You get it and so do we.
    We are always a target.
    I had a meeting with these folks yesterday, they got a ton of BP money and probably an agenda too.
    http://www.auduboninstitute.org/conservation/sustainability/gulf-united-lasting-fisheries
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 10,535 AG
    "Probably an agenda"?:rotflmao
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 8,960 Admiral
    "Probably an agenda"?:rotflmao
    But they gave me a nice tervis mug.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • GT FishGT Fish Posts: 9,448 Officer
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    But they gave me a nice tervis mug.
    Can you get me one?
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  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 4,722 Captain
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    But they gave me a nice tervis mug.

    Is that all it takes to win you over?
    Tight Lines, Steve
    My posts are my opinion only.
  • surfmansurfman WC FLPosts: 4,722 Captain
    Oh God, Oh God, please don't strike me down!!

    The problem is NOT the commercial fishermen..............it's the lack of support( by the industry) for the recreational fishermen and the lack of a united front of recreational fishermen.
    I mean seriously, how many different "factions" do we have "fighting" for the recs?

    United we stand and divided we fall...............the comms figured this out a long time ago.
    They saw that for now it's better to get in bed with the NGO's and save their **** "For now"

    What they are not seeing is that they are the next target.

    Gosh where have I heard that before?
    Tight Lines, Steve
    My posts are my opinion only.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 8,960 Admiral
    surfman wrote: »
    Is that all it takes to win you over?
    everyone got one for participating, not won over by a long shot, though the current "Buzzword" seems to be sustainability and a sustainable label which might not be a bad deal.

    We shall see here soon.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • notreelynotreely Posts: 653 Officer
    Amendment 28 is dead and sector separation is coming to the gulf federally permitted for hire fleet !
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,580 Captain
    I just listened to Capt. Scott Hickman promote fish tags for EVERY recreational fisherman EXCEPT those who fish on HIS boat. Interesting.

    If fish tags are such a great idea, then why not provide them for ALL Gulf recreational fishermen? It would actually be a better solution for the charter fleet - they would not be limited by an IFQ allocation nor would they have to pay an exorbitant buy-in fee! They could fish year-round taking any recreational fisherman with a fish tag. If a fisherman is walking down the dock with a fist full of fish tags, why should he be limited to what kind of boat he goes fishing on? He should have the right to decide if he wants to step on a charter boat, a headboat, or a friend's boat.
  • ACME Ventures FishingACME Ventures Fishing Posts: 851 Officer
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    everyone got one for participating, not won over by a long shot, though the current "Buzzword" seems to be sustainability and a sustainable label which might not be a bad deal.

    We shall see here soon.

    Mostly a marketing scheme sadly. REAL sustainability is good, but would require
    a reliable, accurate, complete and current data set to be used. Remember the call
    to make reliable science based data a Mandate over the "Best Available Science"?
    It was opposed and fought against by guess Who? Yes, EDF flew CFA members,
    former SS members, to DC to plead, 'Give the MSA time to work'. Current EDF affiliated
    groups are still doing the same, whether their commercial GOM group suing recreational
    interest over allocation or their marketing schemes like Gulf Wild's 'traceable', or Seafood Selectors
    'Best Choices'. Funny that these are all Catch Share fisheries, though the method of harvest,
    the location of the sale and purchase or the species of fish recommended by a collaborative
    of chef's on special interest payroll does not determine 'Sustainability".

    These same folks are now opposing the 'Strengthening of US Fisheries Act' proposed to allow
    fishery managers to do what is best for BOTH fisheries and fishermen. If they REALLY wanted
    truly Sustainable Fisheries, they would push to ensure the data and science being used to manage
    our fisheries was the "Best" not just the 'Best Available' which has NO provision for eliminating
    data that is outdated, incomplete, unreliable or even known faulty.....as long as it happens to
    be the 'Best Available'. No wonder why they oppose making any Mandates on the quality of
    the science....it would actually determine fishery management by science rather than policy!
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 8,960 Admiral
    I agree it's mostly a marketing scheme.
    That was the underlying theme thruout the presentation.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
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