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I like bigg butts ... (to be continued) ...

sunflowersunflower Posts: 745 Officer

I love Temple Fork rods. I own about 6 of them. I like them better than my two G Loomis that cost twice as much, I like them more than my friend's Sage and St. Croix. For me, they cast better, I love the construction, and the fabulous customer service TFO provides.

I like them more better than a fat kid likes cake.

I wrote back in March about getting a TFO 6 as a gift, that I exchanged for a TFO Mangrove 12 for tarpon season. I was horrified when I opened the bag in my car driving away from the local shop and found a rod with a little tiny fighting butt like a croppy rod. It was completely unsuited for fighting big fish, much smaller than the butts on my 8's, and unsightly to boot.

Like I said ... I like big butts.

Here is the runty butt vs an 8:

No worries. I called TFO, and the rep said they had been hearing that, and that some new shipments would be coming in with bigger butts in the next months. I could exchange then.

No worries.

So, April and May and June run by, and no bigger butts come in. I call about July, and the guy says probably no changes for at least a year.

Oh, well.

So, in November I go to Christmas Island to fish for big GT. It turns out I can barely get my Hatch 12 (which is a beast!), on the Mangrove 12 because the real seat is short and flimsy, and the reel feels loose and wiggly. My G Loomis 12 has a much longer reel seat, and a moderately-bigger fighting butt.

"Luckily," I never catch a GT with it ... so it isn't put to the test.

Here is the butt of my TFO vs the butt of a G Loomis:

So, now I am unhappy. I call TFO thinking maybe I can exchange the under-constructed Mangrove 12 for one from a different TFO series that is made for big fish. Now the rep I speak to tells me all the previous conversations I had couldn't possibly be true. I am lying or I "misunderstood." They never planned to change the rod, "Flip wants it like that."

Nothing can be done. Flip wants it that way.

So, I send him a copy of an email referencing those prior conversations. I guess I never made them up!

So, now, he says "OK." He can help me. He has a solution. They have made the rods now with bigger reel seats, he has replaced the original butt with a bigger one, and the new butt is on the way.

Sweet Merry Christmas!

I am so excited, I plan on getting another 12 just like the custom one on the way. (I do like the Mangrove 12 action and weight)

And the new, improved, big-butt butt comes in the mail (it's on the right!)...

Ta Da!!



grace finds goodness in everything ...


  • tarpon41tarpon41 Posts: 304 Deckhand
    To love the chase...that effort for what? Now if you would've drifted to one of the upscale bars on St Armands or Siesta and asked for a Patron Cork you could have cut the techno Flip mini-butt off attached the big Butt, and ogled some Butt while finishing your finished before your Pacific adventure
  • DKDDKD Posts: 375 Deckhand
    Why don't you just change out the fighting butt. Here is one for $1.95. It would be a really quick and easy fix. Just need a little epoxy.
  • sunflowersunflower Posts: 745 Officer

    I just checked, my Patron Silver bottle is empty ... and the stopper is gone.

    Oy, teenagers ...

    grace finds goodness in everything ...

  • sunflowersunflower Posts: 745 Officer

    grace finds goodness in everything ...

  • saltybumsaltybum Posts: 1,700 Captain
    Pretty pathetic of TFO considering their other rods like Axiom and Ticr X have real butts on them.
    I just ordered an flor grade full wells for my BVK to replace that ugly pitted cork and will also add a REAL fighting butt while I'm at it.

    I mean much more would it cost them for good components? $3.00 max in Korea where they are made or less.
  • acesoveracesover Posts: 552 Officer
    TFO was always seen as a great company to deal with, sorry you had the problem with the fighting butt. It seems to me that they would accommodate a customer who wanted something as simple as the request you made, but I guess Pallot speaks for everyone on the way the rods are constructed. But the Patron cork seems as though it would work in a pinch for you. Good luck!
  • Carl BlackledgeCarl Blackledge Posts: 674 Officer

    Concerning your big butt problem.

    First off I'm not here to disrespect TFO "Rick Pope" Rick treats me very well and is a gentleman. Rick uses my guide in Loreto Mexico, and I have spent hours on the phone with him concerning my Crease flies he buys from me. I have never shook hands with him in person.

    I have used the TFO 16 wt meat stick fly rods in Mexico for the past few years, and YES every one of the fighting butts just fell off the rods. I also broke one of my meat sticks, they replaced the broken rod and forgot to fix/replace the fighting butt, soon as I received the repaired rod, I called them back and complained, the guy on the other end of the line said " I will send you a brand new bottom half fly rod free" I said no just send me some new fighting butts and I will epoxy them on myself.

    I can't understand why they didn't help you further? I'll bet you, if you called up and asked for Rick, your problem would be solved.

    They also have a custom rod shop in house.

    Carl Blackledge
  • Permit RatPermit Rat Posts: 2,283 Captain
    I can't believe that Loomis has changed their fighting butts so much. Their old ones were great....a tear-shaped "ball," that was a good 1/3 larger in diameter than a golf ball, that screwed into the back end of the reel seat. There was also an 0-ring on the shaft of the butt insert, to hold the unit in, even if it became inadvertently "unscrewed" at some point.

    Mark, I think I have a few extra of those same fighting butt inserts that possibly would fit in your rods, or could be adapted. I also have one of the old FOMAC "Ugh" buttons, from the 60's-70's era if you're the nostalgic type. Only problem is that all this is in Mexico and I am in Florida now. But I could make sure you had one by tarpon season.
  • sunflowersunflower Posts: 745 Officer
    Thanks for all the help guys.

    I certainly don't mean to beat up on TFO, who I still think are a great company in every way. They do seem to be trying to get this solved. Just not very effectively. In fact, the one thing I have taken from this entire thing, even with the problems ... is I'm STILL going to buy another Mangrove 12. I love the rod specs and action. I'm just going to start out with a different butt from the get-go.

    And I don't doubt that in the end it is probably not much of a performance issue. The small butt is probably fine. It just doesn't match my aesthetic sense of how a fly rod should look. No one fly fishes because they want to catch fish. For me, fly-fishing is all about "catching pretty fish in pretty places in pretty clothes in pretty ways with pretty things." I fly fish for the art of it, not to catch fish. I don't even want to cast an ugly fly or rod.

    As Tarpon and DKD point out, it really is a very solvable "problem." I can easily get some local rod guy to make the modification. Permit, thank you truly for the generous offer. I will check for my local options, but keep you on hot-dial if they don't pan out!

    grace finds goodness in everything ...

  • Carl BlackledgeCarl Blackledge Posts: 674 Officer

    I totally disagree with that middle statement "No one fly fishes because they want to catch fish. For me, fly-fishing is all about "catching pretty fish in pretty places in pretty clothes in pretty ways with pretty things." I fly fish for the art of it, not to catch fish. I don't even want to cast an ugly fly or use a ugly fly rod"

    I also enjoy the above, however casting too, hooking-fighting and landing the trophy fish is just more frosting on the cake, I would be very disappointed with myself if I didn't accomplish all the above, I do go fishing to catch fish.

    Carl Balckledge
  • mtd885mtd885 Posts: 1,159 Officer
    I bought two NRX Pro 1’s and both fighting butts cracked and came off. I called and asked them to send me a couple and I would pay for them. They refused. They wanted me to use my free replacement ticket on both of them. Now if I broke a tip I have no reservations about using the free bee. For a Butt, I think not! I stopped by the rod shop in Islamorada and had them replaced for a couple of bucks. They fixed it with me standing there so I lost no fishing time with those rods. Mark if you want I can drop an email to my friend at TFO if you think it will help.
  • sunflowersunflower Posts: 745 Officer

    that is a GREAT-looking rooster of yours ...
    But what the heck is that ugly yellow thing holding it?

    This is how a rooster should look!

    grace finds goodness in everything ...

  • mtd885mtd885 Posts: 1,159 Officer
    Gotta love DUELING ROOSTERS :banana I have to admire a guy that dresses like a banana on a fishing trip, THATS OPTIMISM!
    Better wear a hat Mark! I can see those rabbits are moving backward up there…LOL Ray I like your solution, send me a bottle of that stuff so I can make one of those Butts.:wink
  • Carl BlackledgeCarl Blackledge Posts: 674 Officer

    Here is a really ugly guy....with a Rooster that would eat both of ours

  • Permit RatPermit Rat Posts: 2,283 Captain
    Dang.....I have a pic of a rooster, but not on my computer. Mine's a lot smaller, but the dorsal comb is abnormally long for a fish the same size. It was a real pretty fish.

    Oh....YES Carl...I was aware that Frank had passed.
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