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Bimini DreamBimini Dream Posts: 407 Deckhand
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Well the first cold front of the season is suppose to arrive Thursday and Friday and I am wondering just how it may effect big red. We're not there now but if anyone can post just how the off loading and the shuttles handled the seas it would be appriciated.
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  • alacrityalacrity Posts: 2,666 Captain
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    Bimini Dream wrote: »
    Well the first cold front of the season is suppose to arrive Thursday and Friday and I am wondering just how it may effect big red. We're not there now but if anyone can post just how the off loading and the shuttles handled the seas it would be appriciated.

    i cant imagine that it will be nice at all.


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  • Gary MGary M Posts: 13,218 AG
    #3
    Bimini Dream wrote: »
    Well the first cold front of the season is suppose to arrive Thursday and Friday and I am wondering just how it may effect big red.


    Friday

    North northeast winds 17 to 22 knots. Seas 3 to 5 feet with occasional seas up to 6 feet.

    I'm trying not to think about 6 footers and 22 knots of wind slamming the ship up against the new pier.....
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  • Ron@.38 Special[email protected] Special Posts: 6,934 Admiral
    #4
    Can't wait!
    I just hope no one gets hurt, not too easy to get emergency care on that Island.

    Also, I would like to see Complete's comments when the crap hits the fan with that ship. He is under some kind of delusion that it will just sit there flat, two feet off the dock, and no one will be pukeing on the ride over!
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  • SapingasKangasSapingasKangas Posts: 279 Officer
    #5
    I see everyone has their pins out pricking the boat doll. You all realize structural engineers with day jobs are designing this, not some handyman that sits around and posts on forums all day. BTW, mooring on the south side may actually keep it off the pier. My money is on the experts not santeria prayers.
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  • CompleatCompleat Posts: 2,777 Captain
    #6
    I don't know where you get that I don't think the offload be it tenders or pier will be good. The boat will be fine. The crossing will be nothing special. At the end though the pier or the ferries will be tenderized.
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  • alacrityalacrity Posts: 2,666 Captain
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    SapingasKangas wrote: »
    I see everyone has their pins out pricking the boat doll. You all realize structural engineers with day jobs are designing this, not some handyman that sits around and posts on forums all day. BTW, mooring on the south side may actually keep it off the pier. My money is on the experts not santeria prayers.

    agreed.

    how about an anchor stick?


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  • Blue ZoneBlue Zone Posts: 414 Officer
    #8
    Gary M wrote: »
    Friday

    North northeast winds 17 to 22 knots. Seas 3 to 5 feet with occasional seas up to 6 feet.

    I'm trying not to think about 6 footers and 22 knots of wind slamming the ship up against the new pier.....

    Hi Gary,

    Where did you find this forecast? 17-22 NNE usually tosses up some nice 8'ers.
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  • BarracudaBarracuda Posts: 767 Officer
    #9
    Went by Big Red this past weekend while the tenders were unloading...I don't see how it is possible in rough seas...as for the docking pier, I have never understood how the ships pull up to those docks at Freeport that jut out into the channel when it is rough, but maybe they don't move much?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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  • testerman28testerman28 Posts: 1,329 Officer
    #10
    the big oil ships can pump oil out and ballast water in at the same time.. I know we have ran home from Chub and been stuck in Bimini for days before and went to Bimini and been stuck for days even with the big Hatt's and Bertram's.. just watching nature at it's best will be a challenge.. (this factor alone is why I would have never done this. ) in fact I did post pics of the old Gallant Lady taking waves over the stern as she sat on the beach there .. gonna need some popcorn for these next couple years..
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  • snookyjsnookyj Posts: 1,687 Officer
    #11
    I heard they are still gunning to dredge the channel and run big red all the way up to Bimini Bay/Resort World on the inside...
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  • Bimini DreamBimini Dream Posts: 407 Deckhand
    #12
    Several days of 20+mph winds oh how I wish I was there. I should have mounted a remote video recorder on our balcony!
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  • Ron@.38 Special[email protected] Special Posts: 6,934 Admiral
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    SapingasKangas wrote: »
    I see everyone has their pins out pricking the boat doll. You all realize structural engineers with day jobs are designing this, not some handyman that sits around and posts on forums all day. BTW, mooring on the south side may actually keep it off the pier. My money is on the experts not santeria prayers.

    Sap, Registered Professional Engineer since 1982 here. Former assistant director of Engineering for Port Everglades Authority, Marine structures experience since Graduate School in OCEAN ENGINEERING, have designed marine and waterfront structure and built them since 1986.

    I have a tiny bit of knowledge to go with the Santeria.......:wink
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  • Gary MGary M Posts: 13,218 AG
    #14
    Blue Zone wrote: »
    Hi Gary,

    Where did you find this forecast? 17-22 NNE usually tosses up some nice 8'ers.

    Yep, now they're talking 8 footers.........

    http://www.wunderground.com/MAR/AM/671.html
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  • Gary MGary M Posts: 13,218 AG
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    SapingasKangas wrote: »
    BTW, mooring on the south side may actually keep it off the pier. My money is on the experts not santeria prayers.

    In that case, you'll have a massive ship PULLING on the pier with her dock lines......

    Are these the same "experts" that started working without any approved Permits? Okay, I get it now.....
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  • BiminiwallBiminiwall Posts: 79 Deckhand
    #16
    The big red boat works on magic. She'll be fine this weekend.
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  • Ron@.38 Special[email protected] Special Posts: 6,934 Admiral
    #17
    The project at Bimini Bay appears to be the brain fart of Ocean Consulting LLC in Coral Gables. It is run by a guy named Kirk Lofgren who appears to have a Biological degree from Washington University.

    I guess they don't have a lot of coral reef up there in the good State of Washington!

    I don't think they build cruise ports there either!

    But, this is going to be fun to watch. Heck , in a few years, the local may be able to go fishing off whats left of the pier after a few good blows from the NW!
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  • Ron@.38 Special[email protected] Special Posts: 6,934 Admiral
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    Friday
    Northeast winds 19 to 24 knots. Seas 3 to 5 feet with occasional seas up to 6 feet along the coast and around 5 to 7 feet with occasional seas up to 9 feet in the Gulf Stream. Dominant period 3 seconds. Intracoastal waters rough in exposed areas. A slight chance of showers in the afternoon.

    Gonna be some puke on that ferry if it can dock at the big red boat!
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  • Blue ZoneBlue Zone Posts: 414 Officer
    #19
    Gary M wrote: »
    In that case, you'll have a massive ship PULLING on the pier with her dock lines......

    Are these the same "experts" that started working without any approved Permits? Okay, I get it now.....

    Gary,

    The construction permits are a done deal; part of the pay package, I suppose.

    However, if I recall it took me about six months to receive my resident permit. An actual work permit is even more involved, to which Compleat can attest. I am wondering how Genting is going to get that done in a timely fashion for the scabs doing the work on this abomination of a pier/island.
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  • alacrityalacrity Posts: 2,666 Captain
    #20
    Blue Zone wrote: »
    Gary,

    The construction permits are a done deal; part of the pay package, I suppose.

    However, if I recall it took me about six months to receive my resident permit. An actual work permit is even more involved, to which Compleat can attest. I am wondering how Genting is going to get that done in a timely fashion for the scabs doing the work on this abomination of a pier/island.

    i'm sure it is being expedited in the same manner and with the same dexterity as to construction permit.


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  • Ron@.38 Special[email protected] Special Posts: 6,934 Admiral
    #21
    Biminiwall wrote: »
    The big red boat works on magic. She'll be fine this weekend.

    Wrong "Big Red Boat"! no mickey ears here buddy
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  • Gary MGary M Posts: 13,218 AG
    #22
    Blue Zone wrote: »
    Gary, The construction permits are a done deal; part of the pay package, I suppose.

    Thanks BZ........

    I can imgaine that the remains of the pier might provide for excellent snorkeling in the coming years.....
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  • snookyjsnookyj Posts: 1,687 Officer
    #23
    Gary M wrote: »
    Thanks BZ........

    I can imgaine that the remains of the pier might provide for excellent snorkeling in the coming years.....


    LOL...Good stuff Gary!!!
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  • Ron@.38 Special[email protected] Special Posts: 6,934 Admiral
    #24
    Funny how the Biminites found out about the permits being issued by reading the Miami Herald!
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  • GettinthereGettinthere Posts: 55 Deckhand
    #25
    http://www.thenassauguardian.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42683&Itemid=2 Latest article.
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  • Gary MGary M Posts: 13,218 AG
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    Gettinthere wrote: »
    http://www.thenassauguardian.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42683&Itemid=2 Latest article.

    Wow! What a powerful article!

    The reasons why "ships" are docked/tied up inside "harbors" are obvious, so ask yourself this, "Will this ship be docking up inside a harbor"?

    Genting is attempting to pound a very large square peg into a tiny round hole...... :hairraiser
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  • pottydocpottydoc Port Saint JoePosts: 4,377 Captain
    #27
    Not sure about the ferry, but last month we were on Carnival Dream. Our last stop was Costa Maya. It was a easy 5-6 at the pier, they pulled the ship in, tied it off, and used the thrusters to keep it off the dock. I would guess the BRB ship isn't as new, or as well equipped as the Dream, but they had no issue keeping it away from the dock.
    Barracuda wrote: »
    Went by Big Red this past weekend while the tenders were unloading...I don't see how it is possible in rough seas...as for the docking pier, I have never understood how the ships pull up to those docks at Freeport that jut out into the channel when it is rough, but maybe they don't move much?
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  • abacofeverabacofever Posts: 377 Officer
    #28
    My take is that Engineering will not be a downfall of the pier. If the pier fails it will be Bahamians and or a contractor cutting a corner. Have experienced it first hand in the islands. Mon we never use #5 rebar. Too heavy. Mon just add water its starting to set up. Mix it in good though. Engineer wants monolithic pour...wat dat is ? Engineer wants 6000psi mix. Lucky you get 3000. Un sifted, un washed beach sand. Conch shell wipes out concrete pump...no back up. Crew shows up for a 10 truck monolithic pour 2 hours late. They better have someone there 24/7 asking the hard questions.
    My take is the fail here is going to be with the ship it self. Same or very similar problems with close quarter maneuvering that the Disney ship had in Abaco. (Old location..Guana Cay) They had several issues with grounding the ship in Winter. That ship Chanel and turning basin is behind the reef. Not nearly as exposed as Bimini appears to be. Anyhow this will be fun to watch for a while.
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  • Klsum13Klsum13 Posts: 9 Greenhorn
    #29
    Friend was supposed to go over on the ferry tomorrow, but she said they had to reschedule because Genting cancelled the trip due to the forecast.
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  • Bimini DreamBimini Dream Posts: 407 Deckhand
    #30
    Really I would have never thought that.:)
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  • Ron@.38 Special[email protected] Special Posts: 6,934 Admiral
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    Klsum13 wrote: »
    Friend was supposed to go over on the ferry tomorrow, but she said they had to reschedule because Genting cancelled the trip due to the forecast.

    Complete:
    This is what I was warning you about when you said this boat can handle North Seas. My understanding is this boat actually operated in somewhat protected waters, not any open ocean. Probably a good move by Genting, but it speaks to the history of even sinlge idea of development in Bimini has suffered from old Mother Nature and her gulf stream.

    Example: Concrete ship, bought by Carl Fisher, of Indy 500 fame (he started the track), then of Miami Beach fame. His idea was extremely similar to Genting with the concrete ship to be used as a floating casino. Ultimately he sold it to the rum runners (Bruce Bethel) in 1924 and you can see now how even that worked out!

    Kind of funny how history repeats itself!
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