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sorry senator, we already have background checks.... just not very good ones.

phlatsphilphlatsphil Posts: 14,632 AG
Senator Hatch's comments about back ground checks sound like so many I've heard about this country becoming a socialist country under Obama... as if it's a step function... suddenly we wake up and voila', we're a socialist country.


Orrin Hatch: Gun Background Checks Could Destroy Liberty, Cause Persecution

WASHINGTON -- Pursuing even the most popular of measures to curb gun violence would be a step toward destroying Americans' liberty, Sen. Orrin Hatch argued Thursday.

According to a string of polls, most gun owners favor the idea of universal background checks for gun purchases, and such a system was considered the most likely response to the horrifying rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

But for Hatch (R-Utah), even that is a move toward tyranny.

"That's the way reductions in liberty occur," Hatch told reporters outside the Senate chamber. "When you start saying people all have to sign up for something, and they have a database where they know exactly who's who, and where government can persecute people because of the database, that alarms a lot of people in our country, and it flies in the face of liberty."

Hatch argued that the current system of background checks -- which excludes some 40 percent of gun transactions -- should be refined before Congress expands that system.

"We do have a check system, and it has worked whenever they really implement it," Hatch said. "I hesitate to go beyond that. Let's implement what we already have."

Hatch also said he didn't think a new assault weapons ban would pass the Senate, much less the GOP-controlled House, and he bridled at another popular idea to ban the sorts of high-capacity ammunition magazines that have been used in recent mass shootings.

"Most killings are not done with high-capacity -- so-called -- rifles," Hatch said. "This is an express provision in the Constitution, unlike the penumbras and other conjured-up provisions that aren't there that the court has come up with over the years. This is express, and many people are very, very concerned about any infringement on it, and I'm one of them.

"It's easy to blow these things out of proportion," he added, saying he was "concerned as anybody" about mass shootings such as the attacks Sandy Hook, Conn., and Aurora, Colo. "But it's also not easy to stand up for the liberty rights of people that really are the basis for the Second Amendment to begin with."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/orrin-hatch-gun-background-checks_n_2593761.html

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  • MenziesMenzies Posts: 19,289 AG
    phlatsphil wrote: »
    Senator Hatch's comments about back ground checks sound like so many I've heard about this country becoming a socialist country under Obama... as if it's a step function... suddenly we wake up and voila', we're a socialist country.


    Orrin Hatch: Gun Background Checks Could Destroy Liberty, Cause Persecution

    WASHINGTON -- Pursuing even the most popular of measures to curb gun violence would be a step toward destroying Americans' liberty, Sen. Orrin Hatch argued Thursday.

    According to a string of polls, most gun owners favor the idea of universal background checks for gun purchases, and such a system was considered the most likely response to the horrifying rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

    But for Hatch (R-Utah), even that is a move toward tyranny.

    This is express, and many people are very, very concerned about any infringement on it, and I'm one of them.

    "It's easy to blow these things out of proportion," he added, saying he was "concerned as anybody" about mass shootings such as the attacks Sandy Hook, Conn., and Aurora, Colo. "But it's also not easy to stand up for the liberty rights of people that really are the basis for the Second Amendment to begin with."

    That's great, when is he going to introduce his bill calling for the repeal of The Patriot Act?
    Maybe if we tell people that the brain is an App, they will start using it.
  • sjm1582002sjm1582002 Posts: 4,364 Captain
    How is this figure of "40% excluded" determined?

    Seems remarkably high to me when you consider that 14 million background checks were conducted in 2009.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2012/08/23/what-the-left-wont-tell-you-about-the-boom-in-u-s-gun-sales/

    Which would yield 5.6 million "excluded" private transactions if you are to believe the dubious assertions by a known purveyor of blatant falsehoods.

    Ruger alone sold more than 1 million firearms through FFL's in 2011.

    Were another 400,000 private sales involving Ruger firearms conducted in 2011?

    Over 1000 transactions of this type each and every day of that year?

    Sounds extremely far fetched to me.
  • Anonymous3Anonymous3 Posts: 5,987 Officer
    Dang Menz..... are you trying to throw me off ?
  • razorreilly09razorreilly09 Posts: 8,401 Admiral
    Menzies wrote: »
    That's great, when is he going to introduce his bill calling for the repeal of The Patriot Act?

    Sorry but Obama signed a four year extension to the patriot act
  • Gary MGary M Posts: 13,214 AG
    Too bad that the former Indonesian Citizen got a complete Pass in 2007/08.
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