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Sometimes you just have to ask....**** (Were's the fish)

CaptBobBryantCaptBobBryant Posts: 5,716 Officer
Species: RED SNAPPER Year HARVEST (TYPE A + B1) PSE
Jan/Feb WAVE: 1 0 0 Closed
Mar/Apr WAVE: 2 0 0 Closed
May/Jun WAVE: 3 102,009 14.8 Opened June 1
Jul/Aug WAVE: 4 40,928 18.9 Closed July 23rd
Sep/Oct WAVE: 5 80,966 16 Open for Weekends October 1 (15 days
Nov/Dec WAVE: 6 80,368 19.5 Open for Weekends till November 21 (12 days)

Do any of your really think that in waves 5 & 6 only fishing weekends (and realizing the nature of GOM weather, ther we caught more fish than in the 53 day season we have in waves 3 and 4?????
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  • ACME Ventures FishingACME Ventures Fishing Posts: 851 Officer
    Species: RED SNAPPER Year HARVEST (TYPE A + B1) PSE
    Jan/Feb WAVE: 1 0 0 Closed
    Mar/Apr WAVE: 2 0 0 Closed
    May/Jun WAVE: 3 102,009 14.8 Opened June 1
    Jul/Aug WAVE: 4 40,928 18.9 Closed July 23rd
    Sep/Oct WAVE: 5 80,966 16 Open for Weekends October 1 (15 days
    Nov/Dec WAVE: 6 80,368 19.5 Open for Weekends till November 21 (12 days)

    Do any of your really think that in waves 5 & 6 only fishing weekends (and realizing the nature of GOM weather, ther we caught more fish than in the 53 day season we have in waves 3 and 4?????


    With "Obama" Math everything is possible! Its the same math that
    claimed the huge sucess for new England Catch Shares programs.
    With the current Fishery Leadership in Obama's pocket (or is that the
    other way around), they will take what number they "Want" to use,
    then aggange them in a manner that fits there purposes. Forget the
    days of 1+1=2.
  • CaptBobBryantCaptBobBryant Posts: 5,716 Officer
    With "Obama" Math everything is possible! Its the same math that
    claimed the huge sucess for new England Catch Shares programs.
    With the current Fishery Leadership in Obama's pocket (or is that the
    other way around), they will take what number they "Want" to use,
    then aggange them in a manner that fits there purposes. Forget the
    days of 1+1=2.

    This makes it look even crazier

    Fish
    Days
    Fish/Day
    102009
    30
    3400
    40928
    23
    1779
    80966
    15
    5398
    80368
    9
    8930
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  • EggsuckindogEggsuckindog Posts: 1,526 Captain
    It does look a bit odd - maybe the bite was on?
    1976 SeaCraft master Angler - Merc 200 XRi
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  • CaptBobBryantCaptBobBryant Posts: 5,716 Officer
    Well the response I got back form NMFS (read this as Dr. Roy) was that in June & July most of the Gulf was shut down for the BP oil spill.

    I am working on a breakdown a little further, but still...24 days between Octo and Nov to fish...and how many of those were actually fishable...
    I am looking at fronts and sea conditions for the weekends we could fish, but I still do not think it is possible.
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  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 12,156 AG
    So what your saying Bob is that you doubt their math?:hairraiser
    How dare you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • snake 166snake 166 Posts: 101 Deckhand
    That is logical. Federal waters were closed and the charter fleet and much of the private fleet was making $1200-2400/day working for BP.

    In the fall federal water opened and the effort increased. The mystery is why the catch per day was so much greater in November--a month when the tourist shut down. We generally had good weather all fall on the NE gulf
  • CaptBobBryantCaptBobBryant Posts: 5,716 Officer
    Yeah them boyz in LA and AL can really slay the ARS...if you believe these numbers...I gotta piece of land you woudl love:
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  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,594 Captain
    The NMFS simply comes up with new ways to change the formula, whether its the increased size of the fish or the "effort compensation" by us fishermen that allows them to manipulate the numbers to their satisfaction.

    Enclosed is a graphic showing what the NMFS wants us to believe, and this year's figures are based on us not overfishing our quota. This supposed "effort Compensation" is not possible, not in the least, especially when considering that offshore participation has DECREASED over the last few years - NOT increased.

    Completely bogus data, but that's what they need to make the squeeze play on us to try to justify Catch Shares / Sector Separation.

    Capt. Thomas J. Hilton

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  • snake 166snake 166 Posts: 101 Deckhand
    Don't have to dig to deep to realize that the sampling is not representative of the population.

    Compare Al # of trips in waves 3 and 4---Did everybody just stay home in August?

    Compare Al ARS/Trip wave 5 and 6---Fishing for snappers was 3 times better in Nov than Oct

    Looking at Fl ARS waves 3 and 4----Snapper fishing went to **** in July???

    Where did the La folks find all those snapper in July---Waters were closed by the DWH oil spill!!!

    No fisherman in MS until Wave 6---guess they were all chasing tarballs.

    These data aren't 10 or 20% off they are factors of 3-10Xs.
  • EggsuckindogEggsuckindog Posts: 1,526 Captain
    Pretty odd we caught 10X more in 15 days in 5 and we totally sucked in wave 4 - I also want to say I do suck at snapper fishing but DID NOT contribute to wave 4
    1976 SeaCraft master Angler - Merc 200 XRi
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