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1st anual Stone Crab Affair

So a few buddies have decided to put together a friendly stoney tournament for opening day which is 10-15. This will be a very low key friendly event but we hope to maybe be bigger in the future. Heres the deal. The entry fee will be $10 per person. You must, be on the list on 10-14 to try to weigh a claw on 10-15. Everyone who enters will weigh their biggest claw (this will be a blind weigh, so no one knows what is in and holds back the ir big claw) Everyone must also donate a consolation claw. 1st place will get their choice of the $ (however many enter is the $) or they can take the big claw entries. Second place will get what 1st does not take (either $ or claws). 3rd place gets the consolation claws. Like I said, this is a friendly tournament but I wanted to see if anyone here is interested and likes to collect stone crab. As said above, you must be on the list the by the evening of 10-14 (we will have a "captains meeting" at the St. Andrews Bay Yacht Club that Sunday at around 4-5) The weigh in will be at 5 pm On 10-15 at the Yacht Club. PM me if you are interested or respond to this thread if you have questions.

***Disclaimer***** we are not responsible if you loose a finger in this tournament!!!!!

Hope all have fun!
:fishing:grin
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  • Panhandler80Panhandler80 Moderator Ytic AmanapPosts: 8,913 Moderator
    What are the accepted methods of harvest?
    "Whatcha doin' in my waters?"
  • crcattypccrcattypc Senior Member FLAPosts: 632 Officer
    I would say so long as you dont buy em... it is all good... No frozens from last year either. We need to discuss the trapping question
    :fishing:grin
  • BottomLine25BottomLine25 Member Panama City, FLPosts: 45 Deckhand
    So if you have crabs before the event you are ineligible. You must acquire crabs during the event. Only a few hours to get crabs in Panama City. I'd go to Beck Ave or W 15th late night. Either way we should discuss entrappment. If you hit the wrong hole you are sure to be questioned.
  • crcattypccrcattypc Senior Member FLAPosts: 632 Officer
    If those crabs have big enough claws, we can weigh em and see! It would be impressive. Just dont bring the host to the YC
    :fishing:grin
  • Split ShotSplit Shot Senior Member Panama CPosts: 6,193 Admiral
    Is there any fun to be had at the "captains meeting" ?

    I work on Mondays! :-(
  • Panhandler80Panhandler80 Moderator Ytic AmanapPosts: 8,913 Moderator
    So if you have crabs before the event you are ineligible. You must acquire crabs during the event. Only a few hours to get crabs in Panama City. I'd go to Beck Ave or W 15th late night. Either way we should discuss entrappment. If you hit the wrong hole you are sure to be questioned.

    The post title does have Affair and Crabs in it. Often times the two do go hand in hand.
    "Whatcha doin' in my waters?"
  • crcattypccrcattypc Senior Member FLAPosts: 632 Officer
    Split Shot wrote: »
    Is there any fun to be had at the "captains meeting" ?

    I work on Mondays! :-(

    There is always fun to be had... Its what you make it! But seriously, not really. Probably just hanging out and having a few:Glass
    :fishing:grin
  • Split ShotSplit Shot Senior Member Panama CPosts: 6,193 Admiral
    Were you at the ramp Sunday with 2 other boats washing them off? We would have said something but was late for my parent's anniversary.
    So what time is cocktail hr? :)
  • Panhandler80Panhandler80 Moderator Ytic AmanapPosts: 8,913 Moderator
    Split Shot wrote: »
    Were you at the ramp Sunday with 2 other boats washing them off? We would have said something but was late for my parent's anniversary.
    So what time is cocktail hr? :)

    If it was around 10:30 or so, then yeah... I think he was.
    "Whatcha doin' in my waters?"
  • indamarshindamarsh Member Posts: 58 Greenhorn
    just what we need, something to get more people interested in catching stone crabs. the last few years have seen an explosion in people getting them. maybe we should just keep our mouths shut!
  • Split ShotSplit Shot Senior Member Panama CPosts: 6,193 Admiral
    If it was around 10:30 or so, then yeah... I think he was.
    \

    oh....it was 1:45. guess not.
  • Panhandler80Panhandler80 Moderator Ytic AmanapPosts: 8,913 Moderator
    He might have been back by then. I just know that he left the YC around then Sunday morning... not sure when they got back.
    "Whatcha doin' in my waters?"
  • crcattypccrcattypc Senior Member FLAPosts: 632 Officer
    indamarsh wrote: »
    just what we need, something to get more people interested in catching stone crabs. the last few years have seen an explosion in people getting them. maybe we should just keep our mouths shut!

    You got a mouse in your pocket... most people will not stick their hand in a hole to get them knowing the power those claws have...
    :fishing:grin
  • crcattypccrcattypc Senior Member FLAPosts: 632 Officer
    Split Shot wrote: »
    \

    oh....it was 1:45. guess not.

    Split, I was down there washing off at about 5 ish with a few others...
    :fishing:grin
  • Split ShotSplit Shot Senior Member Panama CPosts: 6,193 Admiral
    Your right, it was then after the fact. I was on my way to the Buc for a sunset. :willynilly
    My bad
  • crcattypccrcattypc Senior Member FLAPosts: 632 Officer
    Split Shot wrote: »
    Your right, it was then after the fact. I was on my way to the Buc for a sunset. :willynilly
    My bad
    Stop by and say hi next time... we will have a cold one or two
    :fishing:grin
  • mustang190mustang190 Senior Member Panama City Fla.Posts: 10,104 AG
    It's against the law to harvest stone crab after dark.
    I also have noticed in the past couple of years people find it easier to get crabs from my pots instead of sticking their hand in a hole.
    Don't get caught doing it, I'm serious.
  • Split ShotSplit Shot Senior Member Panama CPosts: 6,193 Admiral
    crcattypc wrote: »
    Stop by and say hi next time... we will have a cold one or two

    Will do!

    mustang190 don't you believe in sharing the wealth? :grin
  • Panhandler80Panhandler80 Moderator Ytic AmanapPosts: 8,913 Moderator
    mustang190 wrote: »
    It's against the law to harvest stone crab after dark.
    I also have noticed in the past couple of years people find it easier to get crabs from my pots instead of sticking their hand in a hole.
    Don't get caught doing it, I'm serious.

    What kind of traps do you use? Do you use a commerical "stone crab trap? or something else?

    I have caught plenty of stone crabs in plain ol' crab traps. Especially empty traps. Seems to me that they go in there for cover, not necessarily food. I've been trying to figure out why it is that a "stone crab trap" does so much better and the only thing I can come up with is that because the funnel is up top, blue crabs and fish don't get to the bait... which simply means that the bait in a stone crab trap has a greater opportunity (as in length of time) to attract a stone crab since it's not being gobbled up instantly. Also, the fact that the funnels goes straight down, not parallel to the ground... we all know that a stone crab likes dropping straight down into a hole.

    Anyway, I"ve been thinking about picking up some traps and was just curious what you use and how well they work.
    "Whatcha doin' in my waters?"
  • crcattypccrcattypc Senior Member FLAPosts: 632 Officer
    Pot poaching is a federal offense... The last thing I want is someone taking crabs from my traps, or poaching others... I guess there are some who just do not value others property or fun and feel it is their right to steal
    :fishing:grin
  • Split ShotSplit Shot Senior Member Panama CPosts: 6,193 Admiral
    crcattypc wrote: »
    I guess there are some who just do not value others property or fun and feel it is their right to steal

    Apparently like 47% of them.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Senior Member Ozello Fl.Posts: 13,083 AG
    crcattypc wrote: »
    Pot poaching is a federal offense... The last thing I want is someone taking crabs from my traps, or poaching others... I guess there are some who just do not value others property or fun and feel it is their right to steal
    um no, feds gave up leo control of the stone crab fishery to the state in 2002 or 2003(can't remember which) but it is a 3rd degree felony if caught poaching.
    Feds gave up MS(Maguson/Steveson) control of the stone crab fishery last year.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • crcattypccrcattypc Senior Member FLAPosts: 632 Officer
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    um no, feds gave up leo control of the stone crab fishery to the state in 2002 or 2003(can't remember which) but it is a 3rd degree felony if caught poaching.
    Feds gave up MS(Maguson/Steveson) control of the stone crab fishery last year.

    I did not know that... was that also the case for blue crab and lobster traps?
    :fishing:grin
  • mustang190mustang190 Senior Member Panama City Fla.Posts: 10,104 AG
    What kind of traps do you use? Do you use a commerical "stone crab trap? or something else?

    I have caught plenty of stone crabs in plain ol' crab traps. Especially empty traps. Seems to me that they go in there for cover, not necessarily food. I've been trying to figure out why it is that a "stone crab trap" does so much better and the only thing I can come up with is that because the funnel is up top, blue crabs and fish don't get to the bait... which simply means that the bait in a stone crab trap has a greater opportunity (as in length of time) to attract a stone crab since it's not being gobbled up instantly. Also, the fact that the funnels goes straight down, not parallel to the ground... we all know that a stone crab likes dropping straight down into a hole.

    Anyway, I"ve been thinking about picking up some traps and was just curious what you use and how well they work.

    I use regular commercial stone crab traps.
    If you catch a stone in a regular blue crab or fish trap it is by accident.
    All stone crab pots must be marked with the owners name and either a phone # or address and the buoy must also be marked with a large R for recreational or a number for commercial. I also seal the doors of my pots. Last season I had every pot robbed, mostly along Tyndall and Shell island spots.
    And no matter the reg. I only take one claw. Not both if legal size. That rule was changed several years ago because of the demand. But try living with both your hands cut off.
  • KayakMacGyverKayakMacGyver Senior Member TallahasseePosts: 1,010 Officer
    Some simple math.....

    1 out of appx 3.3 crabs die from single claw amputation.

    1 out of appx 2 crabs die from double claw amputation.

    If you need 100 claws to fill your limit ( not an accurate representation, but to easily illustrate the point, let's pretend...) then you'll kill 50 crabs by double amputation and 60 crabs if you only take 1 claw. This is going by the numbers, which over the long run, will always prevail.

    Studies also show that crabs with no claws, as opposed to one, will be less likely to try and fight and concentrate more on Seagrass as a diet (which promotes better molting.). Also, crabs can regenerate 95 percent of their claw size in just 3 molts...or 3 years.

    Just sayin
    They Can't Us "You Should Have Been There Yesterday"...........Because We Were!
  • mustang190mustang190 Senior Member Panama City Fla.Posts: 10,104 AG
    Some simple math.....

    1 out of appx 3.3 crabs die from single claw amputation.

    1 out of appx 2 crabs die from double claw amputation.

    If you need 100 claws to fill your limit ( not an accurate representation, but to easily illustrate the point, let's pretend...) then you'll kill 50 crabs by double amputation and 60 crabs if you only take 1 claw. This is going by the numbers, which over the long run, will always prevail.

    Studies also show that crabs with no claws, as opposed to one, will be less likely to try and fight and concentrate more on Seagrass as a diet (which promotes better molting.). Also, crabs can regenerate 95 percent of their claw size in just 3 molts...or 3 years.

    Just sayin

    Your info counter acts it's self. You start off saying 50% will die from double amputation. Then it says that if you take one claw you will kill 60%???????
    I stand by the fact that a crab will fare better with one claw rather than none.
  • Panhandler80Panhandler80 Moderator Ytic AmanapPosts: 8,913 Moderator
    mustang190 wrote: »
    Your info counter acts it's self. You start off saying 50% will die from double amputation. Then it says that if you take one claw you will kill 60%???????
    I stand by the fact that a crab will fare better with one claw rather than none.

    If you apply Kayak's ratio to volume (or quantitiy) of claws, I think you'll see that he has a point. Taking 2 claws results in higher mortality, but FEWER crabs killer per take home of claw meat.
    "Whatcha doin' in my waters?"
  • KayakMacGyverKayakMacGyver Senior Member TallahasseePosts: 1,010 Officer
    mustang190 wrote: »
    Your info counter acts it's self. You start off saying 50% will die from double amputation. Then it says that if you take one claw you will kill 60%???????
    I stand by the fact that a crab will fare better with one claw rather than none.


    No contradiction there, I can assure you. I don't have anything against the way you crab, either. To each there own. When I started crabbing, I gave it a lot of thought and did my homework. If the data changes, or if I start to notice a decline in my areas, I'll re consider my approach.
    They Can't Us "You Should Have Been There Yesterday"...........Because We Were!
  • RedhunterRedhunter Senior Member Just N of PCPosts: 435 Deckhand
    Now, after reading the thread, I thought it was funny to see PH in another area trying to buy Stone Crab traps. Figured trying to get a leg up for the tourney. Can't blame him though.:wink

    Now after reading Kayak's posts, what is the reason for not going ahead and taking the whole crab if the mortality rate is that high. I am assuming the fishery (police) commission have this data and it seems senseless to throw a crab back if it has that high of a potential to die. It does not add up but nothing they do makes sense most of the time anyway. Just trying to figure it out.
  • Split ShotSplit Shot Senior Member Panama CPosts: 6,193 Admiral
    Taking 2 is still a game with, the rules correct?!
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