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  • EggsuckindogEggsuckindog Posts: 1,526 Captain
    the market won't make her any money by the time she pays management fee's on the fund, has a better than average chance to lose - the market in the face of a potential/factual recession is maybe not the best spot - just say'in

    Bonds and CD's are a joke, you make money as a debt holder when rates go down - 0 to negative inrerest after inflation except Spain, Geece and CA, only way for rates to go is up, there already at 0 best case possiable is kissing your sister?

    Frankly your best spot for safety of principal is Gold/silver - physical not paper. It also has the best potential for a return at this time and if the chit really hits the fan you may need to go have a chat with her, stay on her good side LOL

    I've been in the fiancial business the last 30 yrs, I don't see anywhere thats better than 50/50 upside, most much more downside risk than that. JMHO
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  • guitarmanguitarman Posts: 269 Deckhand
    yeah,yeah,yeah! Never take a risk and wind up with squat and belly ache about the rich people. I hate the stock market but think silver maybe the next good deal. I did real estate but you don't have enough to get started unless you can leverage a rental somehow.I agree to let her decide,may help her not have to go get a job and waste her life working for someone else.I love that Suzie lemonade commercial. IT CAN HAPPEN!!!
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 30,009 AG
    mikev wrote: »
    I won't tell her anything. I'll give her $5000. She can't lose, but she can gain an education. I suppose that I should have made that clear - she'll get at least $5000 when she turns 21. If we can make more and she can learn something, that's awesome. If we lose money, she learns a lesson and still starts out with $5k.

    You are assuming you will still be around and able to replay the $5000. Bad planning.
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  • EggsuckindogEggsuckindog Posts: 1,526 Captain
    there really is no "market" anymore, its just a bunch bank prop desks trading back and forth - look at the market volume or lack thereof, the market is APPL

    good point Mister, I made in my post as well
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  • King_MeKing_Me Posts: 7,096 Admiral
    Open up a Roth IRA and buy Ford stock with it. Ford will eventually be a good investment. If the trend of Ford is going bad, just trade it into something better.

    5K is really hard to diversify.
  • EggsuckindogEggsuckindog Posts: 1,526 Captain
    Roth ? she's fricken 15 and gets it in 6 yrs, although your only about the 4 guys thats recommended that, why I haven't a clue other than you didn't read the thread
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  • King_MeKing_Me Posts: 7,096 Admiral
    Roth ? she's fricken 15 and gets it in 6 yrs, although your only about the 4 guys thats recommended that, why I haven't a clue other than you didn't read the thread
    5K today is nothing. Go for the long term and hope for the best. 50K and above would be another story.
  • SonOfAGunninSonOfAGunnin Posts: 5,084 Admiral
    I'd spend it all on gumballs. They're bound to be worth a nickle very soon.
  • bottom feederbottom feeder Posts: 1,801 Captain
    There are some stable dividend producing stocks out there.

    Leaving Florida... take a developer with you!

  • TarponatorTarponator Posts: 19,981 AG
    A combination of 2 or 3 low-fee mutual funds from someone like Vanguard.
  • CATastropheCATastrophe Posts: 271 Officer
    What a suprise "Mr jr" hates capitalism and risk....GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT AND MORE GOVERNMENT. Jr you are the most liberal LIBERAL I have ever seen. The government should not back anything you jackhole. WOW you are so disgusting I almost want to quit reading the forum because of you! It amazes me how incredibly STUPID you are! I just do not think I have ever read more ridiculous nonsense ever! I would bet you do not own a company. I would bet you are broke. Iwould bet you get a government check every month and sit around all day on the internet reading liberal media and then trying to flame up every message board you find, Your point of view is really just plain ignorant!
  • SAENoleSAENole Posts: 11,477 AG
    Plastics.
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  • mikevmikev Posts: 10,817 AG
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    You are assuming you will still be around and able to replay the $5000. Bad planning.

    If I'm not around in 5 years, she's well taken care of. Thanks for being positive though.

    :rolleyes
    "The only people that tell you it can't be done are the people who haven't done it themselves."
  • mikevmikev Posts: 10,817 AG
    Tarponator wrote: »
    A combination of 2 or 3 low-fee mutual funds from someone like Vanguard.

    This is exactly what I'm thinking.
    "The only people that tell you it can't be done are the people who haven't done it themselves."
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 30,009 AG
    What a suprise "Mr jr" hates capitalism and risk....GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT AND MORE GOVERNMENT. Jr you are the most liberal LIBERAL I have ever seen. The government should not back anything you jackhole. WOW you are so disgusting I almost want to quit reading the forum because of you! It amazes me how incredibly STUPID you are! I just do not think I have ever read more ridiculous nonsense ever! I would bet you do not own a company. I would bet you are broke. Iwould bet you get a government check every month and sit around all day on the internet reading liberal media and then trying to flame up every message board you find, Your point of view is really just plain ignorant!

    :grin
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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 30,009 AG
    Vanguard founder John Bogle looks at these numbers and says: "Our hypothetical fund investor has earned $1,170,000, donated $700,000 to the mutual fund industry, and kept the remainder of $470,000. The financial system has consumed 60% of the return, the fund investor has achieved but 40% of his earnings potential. Yet it was the investor who provided 100% of the initial capital; the industry provided none. Confronted by the issue in this way, would an intelligent investor consider this split to represent a fair shake? Merely to ask the question is to answer it: 'No.'"
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  • razorreilly09razorreilly09 Posts: 8,401 Admiral
    In a Fortune article Buffett went so far as to say, "Right now bonds should come with a warning label."

    "They are among the most dangerous of assets," Buffett wrote, "Over the past century these instruments have destroyed the purchasing power of investors in many countries."

    To prove his point Buffett labeled inflation as the primary threat to bond investors, noting it takes no less than $7 today to buy what $1 did in 1965.
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 30,009 AG
    Like Bogle, Buffet is a professional, not some guy looking to invest his daughter's gift of 5K.
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  • mikevmikev Posts: 10,817 AG
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    Like Bogle, Buffet is a professional, not some guy looking to invest his daughter's gift of 5K.

    Do you have anything, anything at all positive to add to this thread? You've been pretty grumpy all day.
    "The only people that tell you it can't be done are the people who haven't done it themselves."
  • Baits OutBaits Out Posts: 12,328 AG
    If Obama wins in November and as an investor, I would study the recent history of Russia . . . and seriously consider investing in any surviving and substantial consumer alcohol related opportunities.

    A southeast Florida laid back beach bum and volunteer bikini assessor who lives on island time. 
  • EggsuckindogEggsuckindog Posts: 1,526 Captain
    Inflation is always the debt holders nemisis, thats what makes rates go higher and bang, a debt holder gains when rates fall amking his debt more valueable - how much further will they fall? thats the up side

    as far a stocks find a market/industry doing well and find a company showing growing earnings - good luck with that, except as mentioned

    frankly unless you just do gold I wouldn't do anything and give her at least 5K less inflation rather than having to kick in 1500 or something for the difference. I would be terrified right now if I had a 401 that had to stay in and try and hide it.

    Garmin might be an idea - no debt, still makes money and pays a dividend, it will come back/hold up because of that even if it everything gets whacked - XON Exxon an oil/commodity based vehicle would work too - more fun too than a fund
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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 30,009 AG
    mikev wrote: »
    Do you have anything, anything at all positive to add to this thread? You've been pretty grumpy all day.

    I have spend the last 25 years investing my own money, some personally, some professionally managed. I have make many mistakes, some personally, some trusting others (professionals) to do the right thing. I have no idea how much it has ultimately cost me, but it's not an insignificant number. I am passing on what I learned at considerable cost. Take or not, it's better advice that your plan.

    I will also offer to sent this book to you free of charge. I have read parts of it several times, and many times struggled to learn, but at the end of the day, it you read this book, plus others, you will learn more than reading Atlas Shrugged a million times. Bogle founded Vanguard and has much to say. IM me your name and address and it is yours for free, I will pay shipping.
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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 30,009 AG
    Otherwise listen to ESD, he's not a rookie looking for some crazy yield.
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