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mikevmikev Posts: 10,817 AG
My youngest daughter has received an inheritance of $5K. Part of the provisions for that inheritance is that she may not have access to it until she reaches 21. She's 15 now. I'd rather just not keep in in a savings account. I'm somewhat aware of the UTMA (Uniform Transfer to Minors Act), but I'm not exactly sure that's the right thing. I've just started looking into this, but I thought I'd throw this out there in case anyone has similar circumstances.

BTW, this money is NOT used for education, we've already got that covered.
"The only people that tell you it can't be done are the people who haven't done it themselves."
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  • david wiliamsdavid wiliams Posts: 52 Deckhand
    Don't even tell her about it
  • mikevmikev Posts: 10,817 AG
    It's HER money that she's supposed to get when she's 21. Regardless if she knows about it or not, I'm bound to release to her on her 21st birthday. I'd rather earn a little bit for her over the next 6 years instead of it sitting in a savings account. CD's are terrible.
    "The only people that tell you it can't be done are the people who haven't done it themselves."
  • razorreilly09razorreilly09 Posts: 8,401 Admiral
    Have you discussed it with her on what the best use/investment would be for it? Since it is hers, maybe its a good time for a little investing 101 education.
  • mikevmikev Posts: 10,817 AG
    Have you discussed it with her on what the best use/investment would be for it? Since it is hers, maybe its a good time for a little investing 101 education.

    Exactly, that's my intention. Just not sure what kind of account. I suppose I can use a UTMA, that should work since we can buy and sell stocks, mutual funds, etc.
    "The only people that tell you it can't be done are the people who haven't done it themselves."
  • mikevmikev Posts: 10,817 AG
    Cytranic wrote: »
    This....

    I wish my dad didnt give me my 15,000 when I turned 18. It bought several bags of fish whistles, rollerblades and...well i'll just leave it at that...

    Would be doing me more good sitting in a retirement account right now.

    Yeah, that's a tough one, but in my case, I don't have a choice. That was the stipulation of the inheritance.
    "The only people that tell you it can't be done are the people who haven't done it themselves."
  • razorreilly09razorreilly09 Posts: 8,401 Admiral
    Even if you just use $500 and open a stock account like scottrade or the like, explain to her the stock market in lamens terms and let her research and choose a few stocks that interest her and watch them over the course of a few years. Even If she loses the entire $500 it will be an invaluable experience and education and more exiting than watching it sit in an account. Goodluck!
  • jad1097jad1097 Posts: 9,611 Admiral
    Talk to your daughter about it. That $5k should be about $234508.06 @ 65 if she never adds anything to it again. http://www.planningtips.com/cgi-bin/roth.pl
  • Salty GatorSalty Gator Posts: 1,831 Captain
    It's a valuable opportunity to teach her about investing. Open an account for her with a small percentage for her to trade stocks. Park the rest in a high quality corporate bond MF or ETF. Not as safe as a CD but OK yield for minimal risk.
  • jad1097jad1097 Posts: 9,611 Admiral
    Cytranic wrote: »
    Yea I wish more people understood this...Like i said, Roth IRA. 5k isnt alot of money. But 234k is.


    Wish I would have had a better understanding of it at a younger age. If I would have invested $3-5K a year from 20-30 I would not have had to worry about retirement. I do have a pension but it took a huge hit in recent years. Something I did not expect or plan for.
  • PROFINITYPROFINITY Posts: 341 Deckhand
    Buy a good oil company like Chevron. Reinvest the dividends.

    If your daughter is not working and earning income, I believe she is not eligible for an IRA, Roth or otherwise. There are restrictions who can and can not have an IRA.

    I am not a big fan of locking money up until someone reaches retirement, although I understand many, if not most people, do not have the discipline to leave the money alone. This is a great opportunity to obtain an education and start thinking about investing.
  • mikevmikev Posts: 10,817 AG
    Yeah, I'm all about the education here. I just may take half, put it in a bond (or something else) and the other half we can do the stock market. I've got a pretty good advisor, and if we can do the trailing stop that should be pretty good I think. The question is, just what kind of account do I create? When she's 21, if she's learned something, she just may leave it sit until retirement and/or put it in an IRA. Then again, she may not. It's her money.
    "The only people that tell you it can't be done are the people who haven't done it themselves."
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 30,016 AG
    Save your self some heart ache and her money and put in a federally insured account. The stock market is a horrible idea and whoever said open an account you trade yourself is crazy.
    Vote for the other candidate
  • SJCSJC Posts: 2,572 Captain
    I like mutual funds. They earn interest every year, but the also go up and down in value like stocks. I've had one for 15 years and I haven't had less that 8 percent interest any one year earned. Lost my **** though after 9/11 because it tanked, but its on its way back up
    The Beatings will continue until moral improves!
  • PROFINITYPROFINITY Posts: 341 Deckhand
    Open her a brokerage account. I had mine at 13 years of age. My parents were against it, however, one aunt served as custodian. I have been involved in the market for over 30 years now.

    Don't buy bonds now. You are loaning money almost for free and frankly likely at a loss as interest is not keeping pace with the cost of living.

    Buy a good company like Chevron, Dupont, 3M. If Chevron goes bye-bye, having an insurance company backed security or government instrument, which you think is insured, will not matter anyway. Some folks will understand this, some will not. By the way, insurance companies have gone broke.
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 30,016 AG
    PROFINITY wrote: »
    Open her a brokerage account. I had mine at 13 years of age. My parents were against it, however, one aunt served as custodian. I have been involved in the market for over 30 years now.

    Don't buy bonds now. You are loaning money almost for free and frankly likely at a loss as interest is not keeping pace with the cost of living.

    Buy a good company like Chevron, Dupont, 3M. If Chevron goes bye-bye, having an insurance company backed security or government instrument, which you think is insured, will not matter anyway. Some folks will understand this, some will not. By the way, insurance companies have gone broke.

    The above is total BS, in more ways that one. Highly rated corporate bonds are paying more than treasuries because they do not have the US government backing them.

    If I read the post correctly, it is her money and it should be protected for her, not for diddling in the stock market.
    Vote for the other candidate
  • 9-Lives9-Lives Posts: 2,124 Captain
    Is it too little money for an annuity?
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  • cutbaitcutbait Posts: 22 Greenhorn
    Is it too little money for an annuity? yep!!!

    1- put the money in a safe mutual fund
    2- she will not pay taxes on the interest made
    3- when she begins to make a salary move the funds(it may take 3 years) to a ROTH IRA
    4- when she needs the money its there

    yes tell her it's there , its her's, but iin the future she'll need it (or not!)
  • CalusaCalusa Posts: 11,874 AG
    Mike - give it all to the Romney/Ryan Express right now. From what I am told, frequently, he guarantees a phenomenal yield for investing in his election.

    Do it now, and in the middle of Romney's second term your little girl will see that measely five grand turned into a pot of gold!
  • century7century7 Posts: 2,410 Captain
    There are some good options out there. Everyone has their own preference on how to save money. Some like Stocks others like bonds some just prefer real estate or other just stick it in a CD and are happy knowing it is safe. Being that it is her money and you are custodian i do not think you should not be real risky. I would probably just look at a mutual fund or two, one that is more of an index fund that matchs the S&P or the Dow. Another option could be just buying some shares in some solid blue chip stocks. Good luck, knowing what to do with money some money for your kid is a great problem to have.
    It works 60% of the time all the time......
  • PROFINITYPROFINITY Posts: 341 Deckhand
    Mister **** (JR) - How many million have you made?

    Bond yields suck! This is fact.

    Banks are not paying any decent rate of interest. Besides being an oil producer, I also know something about investments as I also own a bank. This is fact.

    Insurance companies have and likely will go broke. This is fact.

    What do you consider to be a decent rate of interest? Of course corporate bonds are paying more than government bonds, however, the rate of interest currently being paid is not keeping up the cost of living. Bonds are not without risk. To believe they are is complete BS! High yielding corporate bond have a high yield because they are risky. Rating agencies have also come under serious scrutiny the past several years.

    I personally prefer to take my chances with a solid dividend paying company, buy their stock and currently be taxed at 15%.

    With current tax law, dividends are taxed at 15%. Interest on corporate bonds are taxed at ordinary income.

    I have more faith in the credit worthiness with companies like Chevron or Exxon before I do the US Government. The government has been doing such a good job with the taxpayers money, if you don't believe it, just ask someone in government.

    You read like a guy who sells bonds.

    The OP asked for advice. I gave advice. Anyone can take it or leave. If you disagree that is fine, however, to call my post BS results in my having two words for you that are not appropriate for this forum. The second word is YOU! Can you figure out the first?
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 30,016 AG
    mikev wrote: »
    It's HER money that she's supposed to get when she's 21. Regardless if she knows about it or not, I'm bound to release to her on her 21st birthday. I'd rather earn a little bit for her over the next 6 years instead of it sitting in a savings account. CD's are terrible.

    So you are willing to risk her money to make yourself feel better...I get it.
    Vote for the other candidate
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 30,016 AG
    PROFINITY wrote: »
    Mister **** (JR) - How many million have you made?

    Bond yields suck! This is fact.

    Banks are not paying any decent rate of interest. Besides being an oil producer, I also know something about investments as I also own a bank. This is fact.

    Insurance companies have and likely will go broke. This is fact.

    What do you consider to be a decent rate of interest? Of course corporate bonds are paying more than government bonds, however, the rate of interest currently being paid is not keeping up the cost of living. Bonds are not without risk. To believe they are is complete BS! High yielding corporate bond have a high yield because they are risky. Rating agencies have also come under serious scrutiny the past several years.

    I personally prefer to take my chances with a solid dividend paying company, buy their stock and currently be taxed at 15%.

    With current tax law, dividends are taxed at 15%. Interest on corporate bonds are taxed at ordinary income.

    I have more faith in the credit worthiness with companies like Chevron or Exxon before I do the US Government. The government has been doing such a good job with the taxpayers money, if you don't believe it, just ask someone in government.

    You read like a guy who sells bonds.

    The OP asked for advice. I gave advice. Anyone can take it or leave. If you disagree that is fine, however, to call my post BS results in my having two words for you that are not appropriate for this forum. The second word is YOU! Can you figure out the first?

    A sucker is born every minute

    PT Barnum


    PS..do as you please with your money, but this money belongs to his daughter.
    Vote for the other candidate
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 30,016 AG
    Timely piece yesterday..

    Just in time for your Labor Day vacation, the Securities and Exchange Commission has produced a spellbinding story of what happens when normal people try to invest like Wall Street big shots.
    The masterpiece in question is "Study Regarding Financial Literacy Among Investors" [PDF], which was commissioned by the watchdog agency in response to a Dodd-Frank mandate. And while a 182-page treatise on financial literacy may not seem like beach-read material, it's very likely the most darkly funny thing you'll read all year.

    The basic story is that after the financial crisis, lawmakers decided that one of the reasons the economy collapsed is that average investors didn't understand the various stocks and bonds and mutual fund shares they had bought. So they decided to require the SEC to find out how much average (also known as "retail") investors knew about the stuff in their portfolios, by asking them questions like, and I'm paraphrasing: "This stock you own — what does it do?"

    The resulting study, released today, is amazing and depressing. Not only does it contain the world's longest section titles ("The Most Useful and Understandable Relevant Information that Retail Investors Need to Make Informed Financial Decisions before Engaging a Financial Intermediary or Purchasing an Investment Product or Service") but it sheds light on how little people know about the financial products they own.

    The SEC's conclusion is fairly straightforward: "U.S. retail investors lack basic financial literacy ... have a weak grasp of elementary financial concepts and lack critical knowledge of ways to avoid investment fraud."

    More of the story and SEC report.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/sec-study-nobody-knows-anything.html
    Vote for the other candidate
  • captinmitchcaptinmitch Posts: 5,807 Admiral
    Have you discussed it with her on what the best use/investment would be for it? Since it is hers, maybe its a good time for a little investing 101 education.

    This.
  • Bottomfinder#1Bottomfinder#1 Posts: 1,021 Officer
    Buy GUNS!!! or call JG Wentworth.. 8777 cash now, lol
  • mikevmikev Posts: 10,817 AG
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    So you are willing to risk her money to make yourself feel better...I get it.

    Yeah, that's EXACTLY right. :rolleyes
    "The only people that tell you it can't be done are the people who haven't done it themselves."
  • mikevmikev Posts: 10,817 AG
    Have you discussed it with her on what the best use/investment would be for it? Since it is hers, maybe its a good time for a little investing 101 education.

    I'll show her just what I'm doing with my 401K and why I'm doing it. Then we'll come up with some safe investments to make, at least with the majority of it.
    "The only people that tell you it can't be done are the people who haven't done it themselves."
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 30,016 AG
    mikev wrote: »
    Yeah, that's EXACTLY right. :rolleyes

    If someone gave her $5,000, your duty is to give her $5,000 when she is 21. Put it in the stock market, and when the market drops 5000 points what will you tell her?
    Vote for the other candidate
  • mikevmikev Posts: 10,817 AG
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    If someone gave her $5,000, your duty is to give her $5,000 when she is 21. Put it in the stock market, and when the market drops 5000 points what will you tell her?

    I won't tell her anything. I'll give her $5000. She can't lose, but she can gain an education. I suppose that I should have made that clear - she'll get at least $5000 when she turns 21. If we can make more and she can learn something, that's awesome. If we lose money, she learns a lesson and still starts out with $5k.
    "The only people that tell you it can't be done are the people who haven't done it themselves."
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