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We encourage debate and different opinions. The personal attacks, they're not needed and does nothing but lessen a person's credibility.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Abraham Lincoln
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Abraham Lincoln
Soon you'll be complaining that the rec guys are taking up too much bandwidth on this site, and that we should be limited to one or two posts a day, while the comm guys should be allowed to post at will.
You'll form a powerful lobby group to put pressure on the owners of the site, and at the same time ensure that only a few comms get to enjoy the site, and figure out a way to profit from the site while the rest of us are stuck on the outside looking in.
I would.
EDF are no dummies. They would never allow themselves to be linked to a fringe group which is kept at a great distance by legitimate commercial fishing interests. They certainly would not risk their "all-fishing for everyone" corporate persona, by aligning themselves with Crum's crew and against the largest recreational fishing organization in the nation, the largest online recreational fishing community in the state, the largest professional fishing guide organization in the state and a guy honored by the IGFA for his efforts in stopping destructive fishing methods and who buys his ink by the barrel. There is literally no money in it for them, unless they want to catch share mullet.
What Mr. Peele, Mr. Hudson and Mr. Grix are doing here is the same thing our good friend Denise has set out to do; that is, as he said on the other thread, to disrupt this forum by shouting out and down anyone who doesn't subscribe to what they consider to be true.
Which is about as effective as Denise has been all these years, resulting in as Mike observed, members who have traditionally disagreed with each other , now strangely unified.
I could not have engineered such a thing if I tried.
Maybe it's just my wishful thinking that these non-member members will continue to expose their "truth" here which will continue that unifying trend.
I hope that they continue to support FS by increasing the page views and subsequent revenue that generates and increase awareness that CCA is responsible along with FS in the recovery of inshore fisheries that we have enjoyed over the past two decades. I hope that they also continue to buy Lee Fisher nets so he can continue to be one of FGA's major corporate contributers which will aid us in or efforts to advocate for recreational fishing with the FWC in the rule making process.
I would be hard pressed to find any down side to these guys posting here. That they represent FFF so effectively, all the better.:thumbsup
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
Amen!
My posts are my opinion only.
Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for. Will Rogers
I am against catch shares. I dont joke about that either. Catch shares do seem to be good for conservation of the resource though. Why havent you jumped onboard that burning ship like you have against the netters. A bit hypocritical doncha think?
So, your against them BUT you think they are "good for conservation":shrug
you are more full of crap then i am after a bottle of beam.
It's understandable when you consider:
That may be a better signature than yours , Jerry.
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
I represent myself. I didnt even know what EDF was until I googled it after the accusation last night. There is no orchestration. I am on my laptop watching my kid chase the Rhumba around the house. I do not know "Grix" personally and only recently learned of the FFF. They have not coerced me into my recent support of ideas that they may support. My identity is not relevent to the posters on this thread. My opinions obviously are. I still do not know what a "shill" is. Educate me Obi Wan?
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"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
He knows what a shill is, Chester. Although he doesn't seem to know what notoriety means. Or that Roomba is the robot and Rhumba is a dance our parents used to do at cocktail parties.
He's just baiting you into a distraction. And identity counts for everything, especially when offering testimony. At least Grix puts his name on his work. Trolls, however can't . Its part of their game.
Which you really shouldn't play BTW.
His name is Ryan Peele. If you are interested.
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
Please tell me how concentrating the same ACL into a smaller group of hands qualifies as conservation?
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As a fisherman, I do not advocate ACL's. I DO NOT agree with the idear of catch shares. Catch shares are a rediculous idea for the growth of the industry both rec and comm. That being said:
ACL or "Fisheries management" as some might call it is an attempt to conserve, or limit a stressed fishery. The "stressed"part is a grey area that I have not heard a valid argument on from both sides on yet. This topic will never be satisfied.
There are plenty of fish for everyone, however, the arguments that happen between recs and comms have caused interference by the govt, resulting in a scenario where the chips have been divided, leaving one side angry over the other side getting more than them. Kinda like kids screaming over crayons in a box and the teacher having to come over and hand them out one at a time.
Perhaps you are not familiar with Catch Shares in their Various forms, but, They
manage "Fishermen", NOT "Fisheries". Only 'Who', and 'How Much' of the TAC that
is allowed to be harvested is determined by Catch Share management. It does not
save fish, or fisheries. It does not rebuild fisheries. It does not change the number of
fish allowed to be harvested under the TAC's and ACL's. Catch Shares is a "Market
Based management Tool", as defined by its creators and promoters, which limits
participation in a given fishery, and gives larger "shares" to the fewer fishermen. That
sounds good for the priviledged few, bu for the majority who are shut out....not good
at all, and still its the same number of total fish allowed to be caught!
Additionally, Catch Shares uses no science in manageing fishermen. Actually, the
hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money spent to fund the system that
only a few profit from, has cost fishery Science and Research dearly. Did you know
that only 25% of Federally managed fisheries have even "Some" science based data?
And that is mostly commercial "Landing"data? There is no conservation in Catch shares
management, since it does not manage FISH!
I agree. I was refering to the "cap" that is placed on the fishery overall. That is the "conservation" part. At some point, just like with Kingfish and Spanish mackeral, once the "total allowable catch" is reached, the fishery is halted. One area that we deal with is federal managed species that are caught in state waters. The fish are counted and held against a federal quota. Once the quota is met, state waters are shut down for that fishery. I agree 100% with your statement above. I hope that cleared some things up.
Most of the comms I know don't know the difference between or comprehend a synonym, antonym, homonym, onomatopoeia, oxymoron or the difference between affect and effect....
you're a planted shill. welcome. glad you're here.
Peele is Hudson's pal and fishing partner, who responded to my They're Back thread. He told Peele about it who changed his online persona from strikenetter to Gill Netter and signed up here to reinforce his buddy. Then Denise saw all this and alerted Grix's crew. So he may be shilling for FFF but I don't think he is here at Grix's direction.
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
I am not strikenetter. Peele is way better at getting his point across in a manner in which will keep his audience captivated. I tend to irritate a majority of my readers. Just ask Billin.:crowd
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
Does this change anything? I am who I am. Are you satisfied with my identity? :cool: BTW: I worship our lord in heaven and I pray to God every day! Jesus Christ is my Savior. He saved souls with the truth. He caught fish with a net.
Guess again GARY!
Jesus never feared revealing who he was, despite the consequences.
I don't either.
It's OK to lack courage. Not everyone can follow His example.
"Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick
"All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse