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While we are on the topic of HDR.............

I am still playing with HDR and trying to decide if I like it....at all. When I do use it I try to use a light hand. Here is one photo I played with, from the Palm Beach Classic Car Auction last week.

Did I get a little heavy handed. C&C is fine. I am not happy with the line (shadowline?) along the wheels of the car. It really made the candy paint and the chrome pop though.........

Tonemapped from five images in Photomatix: EV: -1.33, -0.67, 0 +0.67 and +1.33. Thoughts?

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  • ChuckcChuckc Posts: 4,398 Captain
    Had you not indicated it was HDR I wouldn't have known. The pavement difference is a little odd but I would have assumed it looked that way in person.
  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Posts: 24,415 AG
    Thanks Chuck I will take that as a complement. Here are two more.

    '60 Continental. Three images: -0.67, 0, and +0.67.

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    '46 Dodge Woody. Three Images: -1, 0 and +0.67.

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  • ChuckcChuckc Posts: 4,398 Captain
    You've got nothing to worry about as far as overprocessing is concerned. They look good to me but I'm not sure I am qualified to have an opinion in such matters.
  • GuidenetGuidenet Posts: 239 Officer
    I think the black Continental looks a little over processed, but my question might be why? These don't look like situations where you have a dynamic range issue to overcome. Maybe I'm wrong, not seeing the original side by side, but If there is no need for additional dynamic range, why are we processing and mapping for it?

    Also, have you ever tried Fusion in Photomatix.
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  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Posts: 24,415 AG
    No particular reason - when I was at the show & I had the tripod....I took a few series of different EV shots....mostly because I knew I wanted to mess with Photomatix....and besides it was dark in the hall and a dark-ish day outside.......I get your point.......I was just playing......

    For me.....and this is just me.....yes, I play with Fusion occasionally.....but again for me....and this is just me....I think I have more control and can have a more gentile had with tonemapping......but I almost always check both, particularly landscapes.
  • GuidenetGuidenet Posts: 239 Officer
    I see what you mean. I thought I was missing something. I do that myself.
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  • gordoncgordonc Posts: 28 Greenhorn
    No need to apologize for the HDR, photography generally is headed in more creative directions. Nice angle on that Continental- Gordon.
  • GuidenetGuidenet Posts: 239 Officer
    gordonc wrote: »
    No need to apologize for the HDR, photography generally is headed in more creative directions. Nice angle on that Continental- Gordon.

    I agree. I just didn't understand it's use here. Playing around is as good a reason as any for any type of creative activity. I'm not sure it is headed in more creative directions. We'll have to see. Moreover, there are so many ways to accomplish an increase in dynamic range, from blending to the creative use of gradients. Just Fusion and Mapping alone are different techniques in Photomatics. Any and all are ok. I think it depends on how much of a processed look you want. For example, too much can look like a drawn illustration more than a photograph. Nothing wrong with that, but it's just not my taste. I prefer the more subtle look, and less of a Crayola look. Personal taste.

    Again, though. All forms of creativity is good for the art and fun for everyone. My gal Jan sometimes way over processes bird images. She lovea and sells some at the local gallery. When she does that, I don't care for them, but I never suggest that she curtail it. She's good at it and obviously others love it. She just delivered a huge wall sized image of gulls sitting on a tin roof to a person who had to have it for their living room. She'd used some faux HDR on a single RAW file. I thought it was too much, but obviously someone else loved it. I printed and hung the same image without the processing because I loved the composition but not the tone mapping. Different strokes.

    For example, this might not look heavily processed, but it is. It also isn't really my taste, but Jan has won several awards for this shot and it's hanging in a few private collections. Again, different tastes. She obviously understands what some others seem to like. I told her she should consider removng the white bar along the right side. She won't have anything to do with it. Says it helps the image. Who am I to argue. She might kick me. :)

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  • FlashFlash Posts: 11,193 AG
    I am still playing with HDR and trying to decide if I like it....at all. When I do use it I try to use a light hand. Here is one photo I played with, from the Palm Beach Classic Car Auction last week.

    Did I get a little heavy handed. C&C is fine. I am not happy with the line (shadowline?) along the wheels of the car. It really made the candy paint and the chrome pop though.........

    Tonemapped from five images in Photomatix: EV: -1.33, -0.67, 0 +0.67 and +1.33. Thoughts?

    V1fIvl.jpg

    I would really think a "before" and "after" shot would help us see it better.
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  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Posts: 24,415 AG
    OK, Flash, here you go.

    never mind....sorry....my hosting service is having a hick up........what BS.
  • BucYouUp68BucYouUp68 Posts: 1,184 Officer
    HDR, over Processing is GOOOOOOOOOD.

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  • mississippi macmississippi mac Posts: 4,222 Captain
    Craig (WE)....
    i like all of your images...
    i'm not a fan of the heavy hand so many people are applying to hdr...
    i prefer just enough to make the image pop a little which is exactly what you did.....
    a friend of mine just beats his hdr to death....
    essentially, he ruines perfectly good images running it through hdr....
    but that's just my opinion....

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  • Cane PoleCane Pole Stuart, FLAPosts: 9,892 Admiral
    I am still playing with HDR and trying to decide if I like it....at all. When I do use it I try to use a light hand. Here is one photo I played with, from the Palm Beach Classic Car Auction last week.

    Did I get a little heavy handed. C&C is fine. I am not happy with the line (shadowline?) along the wheels of the car. It really made the candy paint and the chrome pop though.........

    Tonemapped from five images in Photomatix: EV: -1.33, -0.67, 0 +0.67 and +1.33. Thoughts?

    V1fIvl.jpg

    That HDR is so subtle it's hardly worth mentioning. Just looks like a nice photo to me.

    I used to hate seeing so much heavy HDR, but after getting photomatix, I'm hooked. It really does turn useless photos into works of art...but with limited actual outlets though. Its not really something for media usage.

    I've had good luck selling a fair amount of it at art shows. It's still kind of new to the masses...but don't know how long that will be. It's so cheap, and easy to use.

    I dont even bother with the tripod and bracketing three photos. Just drag one photo into the software window, and choose from 8 or so presets. ezpz.

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  • mississippi macmississippi mac Posts: 4,222 Captain
    Eric...
    Cane Pole wrote: »
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    sorry...but your images are just way over the top for my taste....but that's just me
    i'm searching for the right word(s) but when you go as far as you have, the images sort of take on a cartoonish kind look....
    i've seen pen and ink water colors of better quality by talented artist...
    if i want something to look like a painting, i'll buy a painting...
    hdr has a place and i believe both Craigs have used it to enhance rather than change the image....

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  • Cane PoleCane Pole Stuart, FLAPosts: 9,892 Admiral
    Eric...sorry...but your images are just way over the top for my taste....but that's just me
    i'm searching for the right word(s) but when you go as far as you have, the images sort of take on a cartoonish kind look....
    i've seen pen and ink water colors of better quality by talented artist...
    if i want something to look like a painting, i'll buy a painting...
    hdr has a place and i believe both Craigs have used it to enhance rather than change the image...

    Sorry! This better?
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    I shoot for fun, and to sell. HDR is new and fun, and it does sell.

    Of course it's only a small part of what I do.
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  • Cane PoleCane Pole Stuart, FLAPosts: 9,892 Admiral
    This HDR is bit more moderate....
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  • Cane PoleCane Pole Stuart, FLAPosts: 9,892 Admiral
    HDR saved a horrible grey mess out of this photo.
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  • Cane PoleCane Pole Stuart, FLAPosts: 9,892 Admiral
    Over the top? Yes! But these are two of my biggest sellers.

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  • Cane PoleCane Pole Stuart, FLAPosts: 9,892 Admiral
    I need some new models though...

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  • mississippi macmississippi mac Posts: 4,222 Captain
    Eric...
    Cane Pole wrote: »
    I need some new models though...

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    mas bueno.....
    now you're cookin' with gas....
    and you do indeed need a better model....

    Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones......

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  • GuidenetGuidenet Posts: 239 Officer
    Yeow, I really like this last one a lot. Very cool and very compelling, well except the model. LOL No actually the model too. I like that image. What a cool way to do HDR and what a great implementation.

    I've tried HDR and I full well admit to not doing it very well at all. It might be trying to use HDR Pro built into Photoshop, but I absolutely hate what I come up with. Moreover, when I'm done with the tone mapping and click to finally create it, what comes out is way over the top from what I was just looking at.

    Maybe I should buy Photomatix or HDR Efex by Nik Software. Mostly, I'm trying to get my head around it better. I tried to use it where I needed more range and didn't use an ND Grad, but maybe Eric and Craig are right and I should try it as an artform in and of itself.
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  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Posts: 24,415 AG
    Photomatix is your friend.
  • GuidenetGuidenet Posts: 239 Officer
    Photomatix is your friend.
    I know, but was looking at HDR Efex too. Some rate it higher. Have you tried both? I hate to got through the learning curve on one then find I'd like the other.
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  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Posts: 24,415 AG
    Craig:

    I downloaded and tried the 30 freeware from Nik, Topaz and Photomatix.

    I was about to pull the trigger on the Nik Suite and started receiving steep discount coupons for the Topaz suite.

    What got me started on the Nik Suite was I saw some photos, at a contest I entered, that were rendered in Nik Silver Efex. I know you are not much for B&W but the Silver Efex renders to a Silver print like no other application out there. I also tried the Color Efex and Veviza. All are very useful and I like the way the local correction works - by clicking on the image where you want to "fix" or change.

    Alas, I let those expire at the end of the 30 day freebee.

    There is a learning curve with the Nik plug-ins.

    Then I got started on the Topaz suite - some of which I eventually purchased because, again, I got them at stupid cheap prices. I am using: Adjust 5, Adjust B&W and Lens correction. The lens correction has a slick feature - "selective blur" - which is beyond the scope of this post - but you should go to YouTube or their webpage and see.

    Their DeNoise application is very strong and highly suggested - even if you don't get the rest of the suite.

    Now, about the topic of this thread HDR. Topaz labs does not have a HDR application so that means Nik or Photomatix.

    I am using Photomatix Light, again because it was like $40 or something. I think the Photomatix Pro is about a Ben Franklin.

    I have not used the Nik HDR application because I already owned Photomatix. However, given the other Nik software works and it's power I am sure it is a stunning application.

    I don't do that much HDR because I don't like the look much - just something very subtle - sometimes.

    Thus I would have a hard time paying for a second application.

    A gentle hand in Photomatix can work with either Tone Mapping or Photo Fusion techniques.

    I'm sorry I probably wasn't much help. I do plan on revisiting the Nik suite at the time of upgrade in a couple of years.

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  • FlashFlash Posts: 11,193 AG
    It does look interesting in more tone down levels. Did you have to order these programs online?
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  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Posts: 24,415 AG
    Flash wrote: »
    It does look interesting in more tone down levels. Did you have to order these programs online?

    The Topaz Labs stuff can only be purchased on line then downloaded. WHen I did this I had no hick ups and it goes very smoothly.

    The Nik stuff can me downloaded or purchased in a shrink wrap box at the store, or online through a vendor like B&H or Adorama. My local camera store carries the Nik suite but they get full price for it.

    Photomatix, I think can only be purchased online and downloaded.
  • mississippi macmississippi mac Posts: 4,222 Captain
    Craig we....
    I just went to the Nik Silver Efex site....

    As you know, i shoot a lot of b&w and would like some software that is aimed specifically at b&w....
    the nik silver blew me away...

    do you know if it handles canon raw files?
    a benjamin isn't bad for what it appears to do...especially if it lives up to its' billing...

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  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Posts: 24,415 AG
    Yes, "Silver Efex Pro 2" is amazing. Frankly much better than that application available through Topaz. "Silver Efex Pro 2"is definitely the "state of the art" at the moment and for the foreseeable future.

    I just downloaded the trial version and used it with Nikon RAW and TIFF files. I am sorry I don't have a Canon Raw file to try. If you want to send me a RAW file I will try it.

    Alternately, I suggest downloading the trial version. See if it works for you. Both the install and uninstall are very easy.

    I got it to work with Lightroom, CS4 and CS5 (Photoshop.)

    If you want to send me a file>>>>> [email protected]

    Also, if you decide to buy it, look around the internet for 15% coupon(s). Coupons are all over and coupon will make the cost about $85.

    Merry Christmas!
  • WaterEngineerWaterEngineer Posts: 24,415 AG
    OK. update to my post in #30 above.

    I suggest reading this. Also there is a code to enter for any of the Nik software to get the 15-percent coupon. You enter the code at the time of purchase.

    http://www.stuckincustoms.com/silver-efex-pro-review/
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