How to offer more opportunities on Quota Hunts

Pinman

I guess Ill get this in before the summer slowdown when fewer will see it. 

I hear a lot about the waste of opportunities on Quota Hunts. Ive read no shows are something like 20-50%. STAs have this covered because if a permit holder doesnt show up by a certain time, his permit is given to a draw winner on that day. Wouldnt work so well on a 3 day Quota hunt. And you cant give away some guys 2nd day because he doesnt show on day 1. 

So what if you could do an "online draw" to those within close proximity to the WMA. FCFS sort of....to those showing up. Pretty much everyone has a GPS enabled phone these days. What if a hunter could register for a drawing for that days hunt if his phone showed he was within, say 1 mile of the WMA?  These permits would be in addition to the already allotted multi day hunts and would be good for only that day....or could even be for the duration too. It would reward those who are willing to "show up".  I know some WMAs dont have good cell service so thats a factor.

Thoughts? Drawbacks? Benefits? Am I Bats*** crazy? (Dont answer that last question) 

wayvis

What I've heard is that FWC issues more permits to compensate for no shows. The bigger problem is too many quota hunts, but that doesn't seem likely to change. The other big problem is very few hunts on many of the WMAs. Without more hunters pushes for more hunts I don't see this changing either. Those are the reasons I don't hunt WMAs anymore.

altuck

I think Joe Budd does a decent job.
35 3 day quotas on 5 weekends.
Plus 140 hunters can get a zone tag at a drawing on Thursday.
Draw a tag leave your license. People always come back.

Pinman

Less quota areas and more hunts would certainly be good. FCFS only works on areas with manned check station. Joe Budd is the only area I know of where you can get a permit by showing up.

What about the other areas without a manned check station?

JohnnyBandit

Pinman said:

I guess Ill get this in before the summer slowdown when fewer will see it. 

I hear a lot about the waste of opportunities on Quota Hunts. Ive read no shows are something like 20-50%. STAs have this covered because if a permit holder doesnt show up by a certain time, his permit is given to a draw winner on that day. Wouldnt work so well on a 3 day Quota hunt. And you cant give away some guys 2nd day because he doesnt show on day 1. 

So what if you could do an "online draw" to those within close proximity to the WMA. FCFS sort of....to those showing up. Pretty much everyone has a GPS enabled phone these days. What if a hunter could register for a drawing for that days hunt if his phone showed he was within, say 1 mile of the WMA?  These permits would be in addition to the already allotted multi day hunts and would be good for only that day....or could even be for the duration too. It would reward those who are willing to "show up".  I know some WMAs dont have good cell service so thats a factor.

Thoughts? Drawbacks? Benefits? Am I Bats*** crazy? (Dont answer that last question) 

There is some merit to this.....

But some questions.....

Why does it have to be so close? If I got a notification that a permit opened up for a day on a WMA I really wanted to hunt, I would not think twice about jumping in the truck and driving 100 miles...

Also.... What if the person that drew the permit planned on showing up later in the day?  Folks here have mentioned preferring to hunt in the afternoons.

Nothing says you have to be there before the a rs e crack of dawn....

I will also mention this.... I try to stay out of WMAs during quota weekends....  It is hard to draw permits and I do not want to mess up anyone's hunt....

I went to corkscrew on March 11. But there is a Caracara nest I have been watching in Dinner. I got photos of the fledglings last year and hope to get photos of the hatchlings this year.....  So I drove over to Dinner.... The nest is somewhere around the main road in.. well before you get to Road 11 where the two big tractor  tires are on the side of the road.....  So I thought to myself....  I am going to go check on my Caracaras.... I have never seen a turkey way out in front....  So I went.... I photographed the male Caracara... I looked at the female on the nest in my binos.... She is sitting and I do not think the eggs have hatched yet...  I messed around a while.... I did not see any sign of anyone around......

So I decided to drive the main roads... Paradise Pen, Hilliard, Road 11, Then farm field.... This is like 9 am in the morning of the 11th... I saw a total of three trucks parked. And one I am pretty sure sold his permit. As there was a guy sitting next to a truck under a tree reading a book. Later I saw him with two other people in the truck. There could and probably were some trucks parked off of road 1 through 8. But there were 20 permits for that weekend... If there were 20 hunters on that WMA those short numbered roads had traffic jams.

I left there kind of ticked off...  I TRIED to get a permit for Dinner. I TRIED to get a re draw.... And it did not appear many permit holders showed up.

Pinman

JohnnyBandit said:

Pinman said:

I guess Ill get this in before the summer slowdown when fewer will see it. 

I hear a lot about the waste of opportunities on Quota Hunts. Ive read no shows are something like 20-50%. STAs have this covered because if a permit holder doesnt show up by a certain time, his permit is given to a draw winner on that day. Wouldnt work so well on a 3 day Quota hunt. And you cant give away some guys 2nd day because he doesnt show on day 1. 

So what if you could do an "online draw" to those within close proximity to the WMA. FCFS sort of....to those showing up. Pretty much everyone has a GPS enabled phone these days. What if a hunter could register for a drawing for that days hunt if his phone showed he was within, say 1 mile of the WMA?  These permits would be in addition to the already allotted multi day hunts and would be good for only that day....or could even be for the duration too. It would reward those who are willing to "show up".  I know some WMAs dont have good cell service so thats a factor.

Thoughts? Drawbacks? Benefits? Am I Bats*** crazy? (Dont answer that last question) 

Why does it have to be so close? If I got a notification that a permit opened up for a day on a WMA I really wanted to hunt, I would not think twice about jumping in the truck and driving 100 miles...

It has to be close because it shows you are there are ready to go hunt. The closer the better. Separates the wheat from the chaff. 100 miles and you might say too far even after getting the permit. 

Pinman

JohnnyBandit said:

Pinman said:

I guess Ill get this in before the summer slowdown when fewer will see it. 

I hear a lot about the waste of opportunities on Quota Hunts. Ive read no shows are something like 20-50%. STAs have this covered because if a permit holder doesnt show up by a certain time, his permit is given to a draw winner on that day. Wouldnt work so well on a 3 day Quota hunt. And you cant give away some guys 2nd day because he doesnt show on day 1. 

So what if you could do an "online draw" to those within close proximity to the WMA. FCFS sort of....to those showing up. Pretty much everyone has a GPS enabled phone these days. What if a hunter could register for a drawing for that days hunt if his phone showed he was within, say 1 mile of the WMA?  These permits would be in addition to the already allotted multi day hunts and would be good for only that day....or could even be for the duration too. It would reward those who are willing to "show up".  I know some WMAs dont have good cell service so thats a factor.

Thoughts? Drawbacks? Benefits? Am I Bats*** crazy? (Dont answer that last question) 

Also.... What if the person that drew the permit planned on showing up later in the day?  Folks here have mentioned preferring to hunt in the afternoons.

Nothing says you have to be there before the a rs e crack of dawn....

This doesnt affect the regular Quota hunters and does not replace them. This is in addition to those permits and is designed to supplement the ones that dont show up and give opportunity to those willing to be at the WMA for the chance to hunt. Its the same thing as the transferable permit days when some would wait at the gate for hunters coming out and not coming back then grab their permits in order to hunt. Showing up is 90% of success. 

JohnnyBandit

Pinman said:

JohnnyBandit said:

Pinman said:

I guess Ill get this in before the summer slowdown when fewer will see it. 

I hear a lot about the waste of opportunities on Quota Hunts. Ive read no shows are something like 20-50%. STAs have this covered because if a permit holder doesnt show up by a certain time, his permit is given to a draw winner on that day. Wouldnt work so well on a 3 day Quota hunt. And you cant give away some guys 2nd day because he doesnt show on day 1. 

So what if you could do an "online draw" to those within close proximity to the WMA. FCFS sort of....to those showing up. Pretty much everyone has a GPS enabled phone these days. What if a hunter could register for a drawing for that days hunt if his phone showed he was within, say 1 mile of the WMA?  These permits would be in addition to the already allotted multi day hunts and would be good for only that day....or could even be for the duration too. It would reward those who are willing to "show up".  I know some WMAs dont have good cell service so thats a factor.

Thoughts? Drawbacks? Benefits? Am I Bats*** crazy? (Dont answer that last question) 

Why does it have to be so close? If I got a notification that a permit opened up for a day on a WMA I really wanted to hunt, I would not think twice about jumping in the truck and driving 100 miles...

It has to be close because it shows you are there are ready to go hunt. The closer the better. Separates the wheat from the chaff. 100 miles and you might say too far even after getting the permit. 

LMAO... you south florida pukes could not make it to dinner before I could....

I will be waiting for you at the check station....

By the way....

Fragmenting a quote is an automatic ban.....

Just letting you know since I am no longer a moderator..

JohnnyBandit

Pinman said:

JohnnyBandit said:

Pinman said:

I guess Ill get this in before the summer slowdown when fewer will see it. 

I hear a lot about the waste of opportunities on Quota Hunts. Ive read no shows are something like 20-50%. STAs have this covered because if a permit holder doesnt show up by a certain time, his permit is given to a draw winner on that day. Wouldnt work so well on a 3 day Quota hunt. And you cant give away some guys 2nd day because he doesnt show on day 1. 

So what if you could do an "online draw" to those within close proximity to the WMA. FCFS sort of....to those showing up. Pretty much everyone has a GPS enabled phone these days. What if a hunter could register for a drawing for that days hunt if his phone showed he was within, say 1 mile of the WMA?  These permits would be in addition to the already allotted multi day hunts and would be good for only that day....or could even be for the duration too. It would reward those who are willing to "show up".  I know some WMAs dont have good cell service so thats a factor.

Thoughts? Drawbacks? Benefits? Am I Bats*** crazy? (Dont answer that last question) 

Also.... What if the person that drew the permit planned on showing up later in the day?  Folks here have mentioned preferring to hunt in the afternoons.

Nothing says you have to be there before the a rs e crack of dawn....

This doesnt affect the regular Quota hunters and does not replace them. This is in addition to those permits and is designed to supplement the ones that dont show up and give opportunity to those willing to be at the WMA for the chance to hunt. Its the same thing as the transferable permit days when some would wait at the gate for hunters coming out and not coming back then grab their permits in order to hunt. Showing up is 90% of success. 

Exactly how do you figure.... And PLEASE do not fragment my quotes again....

hoggator

I think a lot of the issues with “point creep” & “no shows” would go away if you do not award people a point for a return.  

Couldn’t draw your hunt =1 point
You draw 1 of your choices & return it = 0 point for that year.  

Stops people applying and returning. If they can’t build up their points & stops point creep
less redraws = less people getting redraws and not showing up because they got nothing to lose and nothing invested. 

I think it’s a simple solution.  

I’m all fairness, why should you get an additional point for retuning a hunt you applied for and decided not to hunt?
you still keep your points for next year, you just don’t get to add one more. 

bowhunter4life

They need to create a point button. You shouldn’t be able to keep returning the same permit over and over again. I say you can only return any permit one time, this would eliminate the gaming and possibly anti hunter’s from locking up areas… the point button should have already been implemented imo. Many people apply youths, spouses and friends just to return the permit and get a point. This drives up the points needed to get on an area.

I don’t believe I’m 100 miles from any permit area, so I guess I couldn’t apply under pinmans rules!😂

Crkr23

Devil's Hammock is another WMA that has a FCFS system. 

Big Mak

All of you guys are surely on the right path to more restrictive hunting opportunities with all of these suggestions. Do not fall in to the trap!

I suggest finding a way to increase quota permit numbers, lengthen their hunt days, and/or add additional hunts during the season... or better yet, eliminate them.

Pinman

JohnnyBandit said:

Pinman said:

JohnnyBandit said:

Pinman said:

I guess Ill get this in before the summer slowdown when fewer will see it. 

I hear a lot about the waste of opportunities on Quota Hunts. Ive read no shows are something like 20-50%. STAs have this covered because if a permit holder doesnt show up by a certain time, his permit is given to a draw winner on that day. Wouldnt work so well on a 3 day Quota hunt. And you cant give away some guys 2nd day because he doesnt show on day 1. 

So what if you could do an "online draw" to those within close proximity to the WMA. FCFS sort of....to those showing up. Pretty much everyone has a GPS enabled phone these days. What if a hunter could register for a drawing for that days hunt if his phone showed he was within, say 1 mile of the WMA?  These permits would be in addition to the already allotted multi day hunts and would be good for only that day....or could even be for the duration too. It would reward those who are willing to "show up".  I know some WMAs dont have good cell service so thats a factor.

Thoughts? Drawbacks? Benefits? Am I Bats*** crazy? (Dont answer that last question) 

Why does it have to be so close? If I got a notification that a permit opened up for a day on a WMA I really wanted to hunt, I would not think twice about jumping in the truck and driving 100 miles...

It has to be close because it shows you are there are ready to go hunt. The closer the better. Separates the wheat from the chaff. 100 miles and you might say too far even after getting the permit. 

LMAO... you south florida pukes could not make it to dinner before I could....

I will be waiting for you at the check station....

By the way....

Fragmenting a quote is an automatic ban.....

Just letting you know since I am no longer a moderator..

There would be an electronic drawing at a set time for those within 1 mile of the WMA. It wouldnt matter how early you got there. 

OGBOHICA

Like Mak said, 
PS, what gives them the right to issue quotas on our lands anyway? 

Big Mak

Pinman said:

JohnnyBandit said:

Pinman said:

JohnnyBandit said:

Pinman said:

I guess Ill get this in before the summer slowdown when fewer will see it. 

I hear a lot about the waste of opportunities on Quota Hunts. Ive read no shows are something like 20-50%. STAs have this covered because if a permit holder doesnt show up by a certain time, his permit is given to a draw winner on that day. Wouldnt work so well on a 3 day Quota hunt. And you cant give away some guys 2nd day because he doesnt show on day 1. 

So what if you could do an "online draw" to those within close proximity to the WMA. FCFS sort of....to those showing up. Pretty much everyone has a GPS enabled phone these days. What if a hunter could register for a drawing for that days hunt if his phone showed he was within, say 1 mile of the WMA?  These permits would be in addition to the already allotted multi day hunts and would be good for only that day....or could even be for the duration too. It would reward those who are willing to "show up".  I know some WMAs dont have good cell service so thats a factor.

Thoughts? Drawbacks? Benefits? Am I Bats*** crazy? (Dont answer that last question) 

Why does it have to be so close? If I got a notification that a permit opened up for a day on a WMA I really wanted to hunt, I would not think twice about jumping in the truck and driving 100 miles...

It has to be close because it shows you are there are ready to go hunt. The closer the better. Separates the wheat from the chaff. 100 miles and you might say too far even after getting the permit. 

LMAO... you south florida pukes could not make it to dinner before I could....

I will be waiting for you at the check station....

By the way....

Fragmenting a quote is an automatic ban.....

Just letting you know since I am no longer a moderator..

There would be an electronic drawing at a set time for those within 1 mile of the WMA. It wouldnt matter how early you got there. 

That's a very exclusive proposal. Not to mention invasive to one's location privacy. 

Pinman

JohnnyBandit said:

Pinman said:

JohnnyBandit said:

Pinman said:

I guess Ill get this in before the summer slowdown when fewer will see it. 

I hear a lot about the waste of opportunities on Quota Hunts. Ive read no shows are something like 20-50%. STAs have this covered because if a permit holder doesnt show up by a certain time, his permit is given to a draw winner on that day. Wouldnt work so well on a 3 day Quota hunt. And you cant give away some guys 2nd day because he doesnt show on day 1. 

So what if you could do an "online draw" to those within close proximity to the WMA. FCFS sort of....to those showing up. Pretty much everyone has a GPS enabled phone these days. What if a hunter could register for a drawing for that days hunt if his phone showed he was within, say 1 mile of the WMA?  These permits would be in addition to the already allotted multi day hunts and would be good for only that day....or could even be for the duration too. It would reward those who are willing to "show up".  I know some WMAs dont have good cell service so thats a factor.

Thoughts? Drawbacks? Benefits? Am I Bats*** crazy? (Dont answer that last question) 

Also.... What if the person that drew the permit planned on showing up later in the day?  Folks here have mentioned preferring to hunt in the afternoons.

Nothing says you have to be there before the a rs e crack of dawn....

This doesnt affect the regular Quota hunters and does not replace them. This is in addition to those permits and is designed to supplement the ones that dont show up and give opportunity to those willing to be at the WMA for the chance to hunt. Its the same thing as the transferable permit days when some would wait at the gate for hunters coming out and not coming back then grab their permits in order to hunt. Showing up is 90% of success. 

Exactly how do you figure.... And PLEASE do not fragment my quotes again....

How do I figure?  These are additional hunts. If there are 20 Quota hunts now there will still be 20 Quota hunts and, say, 5 of these hunts given out.

Where are the rules for posting?  Ive never seen any. Quit writing books and try to stay on topic even though Im sure everyone is highly interested in your Caracara adventure and how you feel about scouting during hunts......

OGBOHICA

Maybe put a penile implant on a FCFS basis to anyone willing to stand in line all night long for a chance to hunt the next day. If you fall asleep it sends a shock wave to you to let you know youve been drawn

Pinman

Big Mak said:

All of you guys are surely on the right path to more restrictive hunting opportunities with all of these suggestions. Do not fall in to the trap!

I suggest finding a way to increase quota permit numbers, lengthen their hunt days, and/or add additional hunts during the season... or better yet, eliminate them.

Totally agree. But is any of this a real possibility? Maybe more quota hunts cause I doubt they are going to turn quota areas into non-quota. Theyve opened a few more non-quota areas over the years. Adn I dont see how this is restrictive, it is adding more hunts and for those who dont have a quota for that hunt. It fills a void. 

Pinman

Big Mak said:

Pinman said:

JohnnyBandit said:

Pinman said:

JohnnyBandit said:

Pinman said:

I guess Ill get this in before the summer slowdown when fewer will see it. 

I hear a lot about the waste of opportunities on Quota Hunts. Ive read no shows are something like 20-50%. STAs have this covered because if a permit holder doesnt show up by a certain time, his permit is given to a draw winner on that day. Wouldnt work so well on a 3 day Quota hunt. And you cant give away some guys 2nd day because he doesnt show on day 1. 

So what if you could do an "online draw" to those within close proximity to the WMA. FCFS sort of....to those showing up. Pretty much everyone has a GPS enabled phone these days. What if a hunter could register for a drawing for that days hunt if his phone showed he was within, say 1 mile of the WMA?  These permits would be in addition to the already allotted multi day hunts and would be good for only that day....or could even be for the duration too. It would reward those who are willing to "show up".  I know some WMAs dont have good cell service so thats a factor.

Thoughts? Drawbacks? Benefits? Am I Bats*** crazy? (Dont answer that last question) 

Why does it have to be so close? If I got a notification that a permit opened up for a day on a WMA I really wanted to hunt, I would not think twice about jumping in the truck and driving 100 miles...

It has to be close because it shows you are there are ready to go hunt. The closer the better. Separates the wheat from the chaff. 100 miles and you might say too far even after getting the permit. 

LMAO... you south florida pukes could not make it to dinner before I could....

I will be waiting for you at the check station....

By the way....

Fragmenting a quote is an automatic ban.....

Just letting you know since I am no longer a moderator..

There would be an electronic drawing at a set time for those within 1 mile of the WMA. It wouldnt matter how early you got there. 

That's a very exclusive proposal. Not to mention invasive to one's location privacy. 

That would be your choice. Do you think you are not being tracked now? Do you still use a flip phone?

Pinman

OGBOHICA said:

Maybe put a penile implant on a FCFS basis to anyone willing to stand in line all night long for a chance to hunt the next day. If you fall asleep it sends a shock wave to you to let you know youve been drawn

No standing in line all night. Drawing by phone at say 4:00 AM for anyone registered and within 1 mile of the WMA.

OGBOHICA

Thats gonna make happy wife happy life at 4AM

Pinman

OGBOHICA said:

Thats gonna make happy wife happy life at 4AM

I typically leave anywhere from 1:00 to 5:00 AM to go hunting anyway. I dont wake her up so no difference. 

osprey11

Make permits transferable.  I hunted many hard to get spots by waiting on Sat afternoon and asking if they where coming back on Sunday.    I was not alone.   It assured use of permit.   New rule sucks and is reducing use of the resource.    WHY?

Pinman

osprey11 said:

Make permits transferable.  I hunted many hard to get spots by waiting on Sat afternoon and asking if they where coming back on Sunday.    I was not alone.   It assured use of permit.   New rule sucks and is reducing use of the resource.    WHY?

110% NO!  Previously everyone bought WMA stamps and applied for their whole family and friends and tied up entire WMAs. If you have enough family friends and money you could do it. In my younger days I only Duck hunted Lake O and didnt need a WMA stamp. I wanted to try local Turkey hunting but I had to buy a stamp just to apply. After a few years of not getting anything I gave up. The WMA was tied up by a few getting transferable permits from everyone they knew. No thanks...

Pinman

So here is an example for my idea because it is getting misconstrued;

1. You put in for your choice of  WMA drawing on the FWC app.

2. At the time of the drawing, for example, 4:00 AM, the app verifies your location within 1 mile of the WMA (you could be at the Waffle House as long as its within 1 mile). 

3. The computer draws for example, 5 permits from the applicants who put in for the WMA and are within 1 mile of it. (I dont even know if this is possible with computers but seems resonable).  These permits are in ADDITION to the permits already given out in the regular phases and do not affect those permnit holders at all.

4. Those 5 winning permitees get to hunt with a guest for the duration of the permit, could be for a day, could be for the entire quota hunt period. 

Comprende?

bowhunter4life

Pinman said:

osprey11 said:

Make permits transferable.  I hunted many hard to get spots by waiting on Sat afternoon and asking if they where coming back on Sunday.    I was not alone.   It assured use of permit.   New rule sucks and is reducing use of the resource.    WHY?

110% NO!  Previously everyone bought WMA stamps and applied for their whole family and friends and tied up entire WMAs. If you have enough family friends and money you could do it. In my younger days I only Duck hunted Lake O and didnt need a WMA stamp. I wanted to try local Turkey hunting but I had to buy a stamp just to apply. After a few years of not getting anything I gave up. The WMA was tied up by a few getting transferable permits from everyone they knew. No thanks...

Similar shenanigans still going on today with the current system.That’s why you shouldn’t be able to keep returning permits…. Better watch what I say here or I’ll be called a restrictionist. There’s absolutely no chance of everything being open, with no permits. Unless WW3 starts , then it’s everyone for themselves!🤯

meateater

i gamed the old system   transferable permits         i game the new system     non transferable permits             heres the difference i use / hunt every permit im lucky enough to get or it gets returned in time for someone else to use it.            some good stuff from some of you.           number one thing i would change is redraws      1 permit for archery  1 blackpowder 1 gen gun      after you get one your done unless its returned in time for someone else to use it.      the way it works now theres no penalty if you dont return it  so guys just keep applying week after week and if lucky enough to get picked theres no limit on how many times you can get picked.   i know a guy who got 5 redraws last year   2 archery  2 blackpowder 1 gen gun.   i believe he only used 2.    limiting redraws to 1 will help with no shows and give more guys a chance.     2nd thing is adding a mid week hunt to quotas    add a 2 day hunt say tuesday and wednesday and make weekend hunts sat and sun only since just about no one hunts the monday on a 3 day hunt anyway.  this would create more opportunities for other hunters,  i believe if guys got the hunt they been trying for for years mid week most would figure it out, thats what sick days are for anyway.     the system sucks but these 2 small easy changes would add more chances for everyone to get picked.     

Pinman

bowhunter4life said:

Pinman said:

osprey11 said:

Make permits transferable.  I hunted many hard to get spots by waiting on Sat afternoon and asking if they where coming back on Sunday.    I was not alone.   It assured use of permit.   New rule sucks and is reducing use of the resource.    WHY?

110% NO!  Previously everyone bought WMA stamps and applied for their whole family and friends and tied up entire WMAs. If you have enough family friends and money you could do it. In my younger days I only Duck hunted Lake O and didnt need a WMA stamp. I wanted to try local Turkey hunting but I had to buy a stamp just to apply. After a few years of not getting anything I gave up. The WMA was tied up by a few getting transferable permits from everyone they knew. No thanks...

Similar shenanigans still going on today with the current system.That’s why you shouldn’t be able to keep returning permits…. Better watch what I say here or I’ll be called a restrictionist. There’s absolutely no chance of everything being open, with no permits. Unless WW3 starts , then it’s everyone for themselves!🤯

Ive heard of shenanigans going on today but they are downright against the law. The prior transferable system was still legal to get everyone in your family to apply then give you the permit.

Kinda hard to not let people return permits for a March hunt they have to apply for in November. Depends on what your goal is. Im expressing this to get more people in the woods. 

Pinman

meateater said:

i gamed the old system   transferable permits         i game the new system     non transferable permits             heres the difference i use / hunt every permit im lucky enough to get or it gets returned in time for someone else to use it.            some good stuff from some of you.           number one thing i would change is redraws      1 permit for archery  1 blackpowder 1 gen gun      after you get one your done unless its returned in time for someone else to use it.      the way it works now theres no penalty if you dont return it  so guys just keep applying week after week and if lucky enough to get picked theres no limit on how many times you can get picked.   i know a guy who got 5 redraws last year   2 archery  2 blackpowder 1 gen gun.   i believe he only used 2.    limiting redraws to 1 will help with no shows and give more guys a chance.     2nd thing is adding a mid week hunt to quotas    add a 2 day hunt say tuesday and wednesday and make weekend hunts sat and sun only since just about no one hunts the monday on a 3 day hunt anyway.  this would create more opportunities for other hunters,  i believe if guys got the hunt they been trying for for years mid week most would figure it out, thats what sick days are for anyway.     the system sucks but these 2 small easy changes would add more chances for everyone to get picked.     

You are one that I would have thought would like this idea. Since you were willing to sit at the gate for the chance of a permit being given to you I thought youd be willing to sit near the gate for an electronic drawing. I know Id be there 30 minutes from my house every time it happened for a Turkey hunt. 

bowhunter4life

The previous and current system have grey areas you can work to gain an advantage… Your intention is good, but you are still putting the gamers in the woods more often than you. We need a preference point button and you can’t return the same hunt permit more than once. Then you won’t need 7 or more points for a dinner hunt that’s only worth 2 or 3 tops.