does anyone know for sure

meateater

no guesses      facts only please          does anyone know how many out of state permits/quotas are given out for our spring turkey season.   no quota areas like  corbett or three lakes i understand and have zero issues with outa state hunters but a friend hunted a south wma this past weekend and said the campground was full of outa state tags and guys he met from oregon down here hunting said they got picked on there 3rd year       so only 2 preference points and they got picked          i know local guys waiting longer then that.      

Missed

FL doesn't differentiate between Resident and Non-Resident hunters.  If a quota area has 10 permits, then whoever has the most preference points should get the permit.

Just did another look-see on the FWC website, didn't see anything about NR quota numbers, etc.

If you do any western hunting you'll see a lot of talk about R vs NR and various permit allocations.  FL isn't set up that way yet.

wayvis

Don't know, but did find this......"Turkey Permit Revenues and Program Expenditures During FY 2021-22, 15,047 one-year resident turkey permits ($10 each), 260 five-year resident turkey permits ($50 each) and 5,048 one-year non-resident turkey permits ($125 each) were sold. The revenues from these permit sales, plus those derived from the sale of other licenses that include turkey hunting privileges (e.g., annual sportsman’s license, gold sportsman’s license), totaled $1,271,115. A portion of these revenues, $39,118, was set aside to promote youth hunting programs in Florida (e.g., Beau Turner Youth Conservation Center in Jefferson County, Florida Youth Hunting Program, Ocala Youth Conservation Camp, etc.). Total expenditures for conservation, research, and management were $616,516."

Florida Wild Turkey Permit 2021-22 Annual Report (myfwc.com)

MCSHunter

Well, if it is like the Sp Opportunity it is 10% of total quotas. Remember, some guys who get picked sell their hunt to out of state hunters for serious $$$$. As long as the person named on the permit is present they are good to go because you may take a guest hunter. 
Just my 2c

OGBOHICA

SOOO many working the system on Turkeys its pathetic. But our FWC is clueless.

Glenn

OGBOHICA said:

SOOO many working the system on Turkeys its pathetic. But our FWC is clueless.

It’s not that they are clueless, it is more like they don’t care. Majority of the FWC staff do not hunt nor do they want to understand hunting.

It isn’t like the old Florida Game and Fish Commission days.

There are still a few dedicated employees, but they are few a far between.

MCSHunter

Glenn said:

OGBOHICA said:

SOOO many working the system on Turkeys its pathetic. But our FWC is clueless.

It’s not that they are clueless, it is more like they don’t care. Majority of the FWC staff do not hunt nor do they want to understand hunting.

It isn’t like the old Florida Game and Fish Commission days.

There are still a few dedicated employees, but they are few a far between.

^ This is very true. I have friends who work at FWC and they tell me they have to roll with the cards dealt to them. If they voice their opinion, they are labeled troublemakers. One employee left after almost 30 yrs because the Biologist III they put in charge has no clue what day it is and blames the employees for the lack of knowledge the Biologist has. Pretty sad. As Glenn says, good employees are far and few these days.

wayvis

OGBOHICA said:

SOOO many working the system on Turkeys its pathetic. But our FWC is clueless.

So who is working the system and want do you think needs to be done about it?

OGBOHICA

Eliminate quotas and open more land up. That would solve things. It's pretty easy, when the supply doesnt meet the demand, the permit becomes more n more valuable. Selling a public land permit for 2k and up has become big business not a form of recreation. 

meateater

wayvis said:

OGBOHICA said:

SOOO many working the system on Turkeys its pathetic. But our FWC is clueless.

So who is working the system and want do you think needs to be done about it?

i work the system     but i dont sell hunts like many do during spring turkey       i have 5 or 6 friends who could careless about deer or turkeys but enjoy a weekend in the woods    they all have a sportsman license so i put them in for quotas if they get picked and that weekend works out i get to hunt and they get to hang out or hunt some do some dont,    that or we return it.    heres what some guys do for spring turkey       1st they get picked for lets say dinner island       then its easy     go on old gobbler.com     pretty easy to meet the people online who are willing to pay for a good turkey hunt     1500.00 to 2500.00 for 3 days      2 guys can hunt your just tagging along and carrying 1 of the guns since only 1 of them can be your guest and that is worked out in advance         very easy and is done more then you think.    

MCSHunter

meateater said:

wayvis said:

OGBOHICA said:

SOOO many working the system on Turkeys its pathetic. But our FWC is clueless.

So who is working the system and want do you think needs to be done about it?

i work the system     but i dont sell hunts like many do during spring turkey       i have 5 or 6 friends who could careless about deer or turkeys but enjoy a weekend in the woods    they all have a sportsman license so i put them in for quotas if they get picked and that weekend works out i get to hunt and they get to hang out or hunt some do some dont,    that or we return it.    heres what some guys do for spring turkey       1st they get picked for lets say dinner island       then its easy     go on old gobbler.com     pretty easy to meet the people online who are willing to pay for a good turkey hunt     1500.00 to 2500.00 for 3 days      2 guys can hunt your just tagging along and carrying 1 of the guns since only 1 of them can be your guest and that is worked out in advance         very easy and is done more then you think.    

Since you already know what's going on I do not understand your original post. You have all the answers and know how it's done.
Bring back transferable hunts. A case of beer got you anything you needed. LOL

meateater

i dont know how many out of state quotas are issued just how some guys make money selling them.      transferable permits     the good ole days.

gottheitch22

Florida should be charging 700.00 for non resident turkey tags . last year at ok slough I counted 20 non resident tags in the camping area .and more while driving around . 

Pinman

OGBOHICA said:

Eliminate quotas and open more land up. That would solve things. It's pretty easy, when the supply doesnt meet the demand, the permit becomes more n more valuable. Selling a public land permit for 2k and up has become big business not a form of recreation. 

Although eliminating Quotas probably is only a pipe dream, there are too many Quota only areas and too few quota hunts on those areas. And the biggest problem is when the open areas get a little too crowded and people complain, they respond by making those areas quota too. Which in turn drives even more people to the open areas ......rinse repeat and if you wait long enough all of Florida public land will be Quota only.....

wayvis

Pinman.....could'nt agree more. Ok slough is a prime example. Only two turkey hunts and only 55 permits each hunt. OK Slough is almost 59K acres, so at 55 permits that's over 1000 acres per quota. 

Big Mak

Quite honestly, we have  ourselves to blame for much of what is going on today in the hunting world... fewer hunt days (9 days, some even less,  of gun on some wmas), more restrictive bag limits/ criteria, more restrictive access, non transferable  permits, and even real un-American things like shell limits... some of us asked for it, and now all of us are lucky enough to enjoy these great leaps of improvement...

ivn

Big Mak said:

Quite honestly, we have  ourselves to blame for much of what is going on today in the hunting world... fewer hunt days (9 days, some even less,  of gun on some wmas), more restrictive bag limits/ criteria, more restrictive access, non transferable  permits, and even real un-American things like shell limits... some of us asked for it, and now all of us are lucky enough to enjoy these great leaps of improvement...

What I don't understand is the very short seasons in some WMAs when others very close by have much longer seasons, and very few match the same season lengths you get if you have private property access.  Mostly see this in relation to small game and hogs (discounting hogs are legal all year on private) ...

I also don't understand why there aren't more/longer seasons for hogs, even on a quota basis, on all WMAs with a hog population (did I mention hogs being legal on private all year?  And don't the WMAs belong to "Us" ?).

Pinman

wayvis said:

Pinman.....could'nt agree more. Ok slough is a prime example. Only two turkey hunts and only 55 permits each hunt. OK Slough is almost 59K acres, so at 55 permits that's over 1000 acres per quota. 

A couple WMAs Ive Turkey hunted have 1 Quota hunt Sat to Tues then a 2nd starts Wed and ends Sunday. Then, no more Turkey hunts for the rest of the year!

Glenn

Pinman said:

wayvis said:

Pinman.....could'nt agree more. Ok slough is a prime example. Only two turkey hunts and only 55 permits each hunt. OK Slough is almost 59K acres, so at 55 permits that's over 1000 acres per quota. 

A couple WMAs Ive Turkey hunted have 1 Quota hunt Sat to Tues then a 2nd starts Wed and ends Sunday. Then, no more Turkey hunts for the rest of the year!

The reason behind this is to manage hunters as a user group and to allow other passive activities the rest of the time.

Hunters as a group are an afterthought and if you don’t believe that, I suggest going to work for the agency for a couple weeks.

OGBOHICA

Thats why we need a GFC not this MYFWCC

Pinman

Glenn said:

Pinman said:

wayvis said:

Pinman.....could'nt agree more. Ok slough is a prime example. Only two turkey hunts and only 55 permits each hunt. OK Slough is almost 59K acres, so at 55 permits that's over 1000 acres per quota. 

A couple WMAs Ive Turkey hunted have 1 Quota hunt Sat to Tues then a 2nd starts Wed and ends Sunday. Then, no more Turkey hunts for the rest of the year!

The reason behind this is to manage hunters as a user group and to allow other passive activities the rest of the time.

Hunters as a group are an afterthought and if you don’t believe that, I suggest going to work for the agency for a couple weeks.

Oh yeah, I know. Still maddening. Both areas are pretty heavy equestrian use. When equestrian is involved, hunters get an even shorter end of the stick.....

wayvis

Your right it is maddening! With 5 or 6 million acres in the WMA system and they can't manage it where hunters have opportunities to hunt most of the season. With all the different agencies involved a user group needs to be formed with all the players and users at the same table.

meateater

fwc attempts to manage wildlife by managing hunters     qdm,antler restrictions,quotas,permits,and a thousand other rules and regulations and there fishing regs are even worse.      but the one good thing about florida is you can hunt something somewhere on public land 9 months outa the year and still take 5 deer.   may june july are the only months something cant be hunted on public land       someone correct me if im wrong.   wait there are hog hunts in may i think      10 months outa the year there is something to hunt.               

joelunchbucket

News flash……. 

Management of game populations has always been and always will be done by managing hunters.

OGBOHICA

except some states actually manage the habitat as well.

joelunchbucket

OGBOHICA said:

except some states actually manage the habitat as well.

True. FL is on that list as well (can’t really think of a state that isn’t). There are a lot of FL WMAs where the habitat is in great shape. Not all, but a lot. The reasons for those that could use better habitat management from a wildlife perspective don’t always fit your rants though. 

OGBOHICA

LOL

wayvis

What's good about being able to hunt something 9 or 10 months out of the year on public land if you can only get a quota permit every 2 to 4 years? I think a lot of the spring hog hunts are mostly quota hunts. Saying you can hunt public land 9 months out of the year is like the FWC saying most WMA's have deer hunting. It's a true statement but limited hunting days and quotas only provide hunting opportunities for a minority of hunters.

OGBOHICA

Yup, but it makes for good publicity in their eyes. 

OGBOHICA

joelunchbucket said:

OGBOHICA said:

except some states actually manage the habitat as well.

True. FL is on that list as well )can’t really think of a state that isn’t). There are a lot of FL WMAs where the habitat is in great shape. Not all, but a lot. The reasons for those that could use better habitat management from a wildlife perspective don’t always fit your rants though. 

Name 1 South of Hwy 70 in "great shape"

joelunchbucket

Webb has a lot of pretty well managed habitat, although the off road jackasses like to tear the place up (looks like they are working on reducing that problem though).

There’s a few other good ones and some not so good ones in that area of the state as well that I can think of. I’m sure you could as well, if you gave it just a little thought.