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conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 12,818 AG
May be installed in automobiles in the upcoming future. I have no problem with trying to eliminate drunk drivers but just how accurate are these things? Anyone have any experience with them?
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/09/20/blood-alcohol-monitoring-requirement-ntsb-nhtsa/

“Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
― Ernest Hemingway

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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 29,383 AG
    That will never happen for any number of reasons.
    Vote for the other candidate
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 12,210 AG
    Couldn't somebody just buy a bottle of nitrogen and get the car running?  
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • ferris1248ferris1248 Posts: 22,745 Moderator
    It will be interesting to see how SCOTUS handles it. And I do believe it will end up there. 

    "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."

    Rabbi Hillel (c20 BCE)

  • Tony RomaTony Roma Posts: 3,095 Captain
    I know one of them likes beer!!!
  • Tony RomaTony Roma Posts: 3,095 Captain
    Don’t see how SCOTUS could stop it, a lot of originalist on the court right now. Constitution says nothing about cars or driving. 
  • ferris1248ferris1248 Posts: 22,745 Moderator
    I would suspect personal freedoms, the right to not incriminate yourself. A car presently is an extension of your household. Can they put a breath analyzer in your living room?

    "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."

    Rabbi Hillel (c20 BCE)

  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 13,003 AG
    Not gonna happen
    Would kill new car sales.
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 12,210 AG
    I would suspect personal freedoms, the right to not incriminate yourself. A car presently is an extension of your household. Can they put a breath analyzer in your living room?
    I have one my wife's bedroom.  
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • Tony RomaTony Roma Posts: 3,095 Captain
    edited September 21 #10
    I would suspect personal freedoms, the right to not incriminate yourself. A car presently is an extension of your household. Can they put a breath analyzer in your living room?
    Thank goodness no. Didn’t think of the 5th. If it did hold up Uber might finally make a profit. 
  • lilwoodylilwoody BuladeanPosts: 1,591 Captain
    Mister-Jr said:
    That will never happen for any number of reasons.
    If the government can mandate nothing but electric cars being sold, they can mandate anything in said car.
    And just a FYI this all started with smoking an seatbelts. We let the vampires in and now the have full run of the circus.
    "Those who will trade freedom for security will have neither".
  • LobsterLegsLobsterLegs Posts: 284 Deckhand
    Not gonna happen
    Would kill new car sales for drunks!

    Not on can it will. 
    Also, FIFYA
  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 12,818 AG
    Since driving isn't a Constitutional right, I too think they can get away with it. I wouldn't like it but what is the proven accuracy of these type of breathalizers? I have heard of people that had to install them as a result of court orders from DUIs but I could only imagine going out to dinner and having a couple drinks and the things wouldn't let you drive home even if you weren't legally over the limit.

    “Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  • MontgomeryMarkMontgomeryMark Posts: 270 Deckhand
    kellercl said:
    I would suspect personal freedoms, the right to not incriminate yourself. A car presently is an extension of your household. Can they put a breath analyzer in your living room?
    I have one my wife's bedroom.  
    Your wife has her own bedroom? Good thinking!
  • Tony RomaTony Roma Posts: 3,095 Captain
    I felt the same way until Ferris mentioned the right to not incriminate yourself. In some ways it could be seen as illegal search and seize without cause. You are forcing me to take a sobriety test without probable cause. 
  • GardawgGardawg IslamoradaPosts: 15,687 AG
    I'm glad they banned smoking in restaurants.
    I'm glad they mandated seat belt usage. 
    Both save lives. That's a good thing.

    If you are drinking then don't drive. That simple.  



    "Forgiveness is a strange thing. It can be sometimes easier to forgive our enemies than our friends. It can be hardest of all to forgive people we love." Fred Rogers  
  • GotEmOnGotEmOn Crystal RiverPosts: 469 Deckhand
    Tony Roma said:
    I felt the same way until Ferris mentioned the right to not incriminate yourself. In some ways it could be seen as illegal search and seize without cause. You are forcing me to take a sobriety test without probable cause. 

    Like DUI checkpoints?
  • Tony RomaTony Roma Posts: 3,095 Captain
    They don’t make you take a test, the checkpoint is to find probable cause. That’s my understanding anyway. 
  • GardawgGardawg IslamoradaPosts: 15,687 AG
    Its DUI Season in Everett Snohomish County  Law Firm of David N Jolly
    "Forgiveness is a strange thing. It can be sometimes easier to forgive our enemies than our friends. It can be hardest of all to forgive people we love." Fred Rogers  
  • cadmancadman Home of the Gators Posts: 41,642 AG
    edited September 21 #20
    It would be an interesting court case. The self incrimination issue doesn't work since it does not involve being charged with a criminal act and any such test would likely not be valid in court for that reason. it just stops you from operating the vehicle. It doesn't prohibit your entrance or sitting inside. 

    Now courts have ruled driving as the  right to travel is a constitutional right, but has given states police powers to license and ensure it is done safely. That is why traffic laws can be enforced. But, unless it affects commerce (commercial drivers) the feds ability has been limited. 

    I think the personal freedom and right to travel may be used as an argument for the fed requiring such a thing. 

    The states, I believe, could make it a requirement for vehicles sold in their states and we know the fed could pressure states to pass such a law So if it gets thrown out at the federal level, look for state laws to be passed. 

    The fed could require the device installed, but then a state law would be needed to enact the device, in my opinion. 

    Former Mini Mart Magnate

    I am just here for my amusement. 

  • cadmancadman Home of the Gators Posts: 41,642 AG
    GotEmOn said:
    Tony Roma said:
    I felt the same way until Ferris mentioned the right to not incriminate yourself. In some ways it could be seen as illegal search and seize without cause. You are forcing me to take a sobriety test without probable cause. 

    Like DUI checkpoints?
    State laws, like seat belt requirements,  and SCOUS has given states broad authority over laws regarding vehicle safety.

    Former Mini Mart Magnate

    I am just here for my amusement. 

  • swampdogswampdog Central FloridaPosts: 4,388 Captain
    edited September 22 #22
    If it happens, most likely a new business will be spawned to beat the analyzer. 
    I’m pretty much ok with anything that will get a DUI off the roads. It does appear however that the enjoyment of alcohol to excessiveness is overwhelmingly approved by a wide majority. I know of at least two young people that now wish their cars would not have started when they started for home, driving under the influence. One served time and is now out, the other is waiting sentencing. The victims families will never be the same. Guess we’ll wait and see. 
  • lilwoodylilwoody BuladeanPosts: 1,591 Captain
    Think about this, if they eliminated all drunk drivers tomorrow, what new fines or laws or increased penalties would they come up with to make up the lost revenue?
    "Those who will trade freedom for security will have neither".
  • ferris1248ferris1248 Posts: 22,745 Moderator
    The cynicism is palpable.  :)

    "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole of the law. The rest is commentary."

    Rabbi Hillel (c20 BCE)

  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 12,210 AG
    edited September 22 #25
    Gardawg said:
    I'm glad they banned smoking in restaurants.
    I'm glad they mandated seat belt usage. 
    Both save lives. That's a good thing.

    If you are drinking then don't drive. That simple.  



    Poor diet and lack of excerise kills tens of thousands a year. Genuine question, should diet and lifestyle be regulated to save lives?

    Please note I'm not being a smart*** nor is it a trap question.  Heart disease and diabetes are the number 1 and number 2 killers annually, even during covid.  It is a legit question and I'm curious what others think about increasing regulation on foods.
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • swampdogswampdog Central FloridaPosts: 4,388 Captain
    Good question Kellerci. Human nature appears to demand excess. Our self discipline can be really weak or nonexistent. 
    Yes our population is getting heavier and more sedentary. The issue or my concern, is obesity and a sedentary lifestyle only hurts the person. Accidents by DUI can kill a perfectly healthy, happy and innocent legal driver, and possibly their family or other occupants in the vehicle. 
    I see the difference. 
  • gogittumgogittum Nature CoastPosts: 3,502 Captain
    edited September 22 #27
    Plenty of laws on the books, but apparently very little enforcement.  The cops pull in a drunk driver and the court turns him loose with a handslap to do it again.  They need to put serious teeth in those laws and enforce them rigidly - and advertise that everywhere.  The tragedy of innocent people/families being killed by those bums is beyond horrific.

    Kind of ironic - when I was still an alky, 40 years ago, my biggest fear in driving late at night was drunk drivers....and I was "always" drunk myself.  I finally got smart after 30 years of boozing and quit drinking on Oct. 13, 1986.
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 12,210 AG
    edited September 22 #28
    swampdog said:
    Good question Kellerci. Human nature appears to demand excess. Our self discipline can be really weak or nonexistent. 
    Yes our population is getting heavier and more sedentary. The issue or my concern, is obesity and a sedentary lifestyle only hurts the person. Accidents by DUI can kill a perfectly healthy, happy and innocent legal driver, and possibly their family or other occupants in the vehicle. 
    I see the difference. 
    No doubt it is different compared to DUI.  But Gard was talking about seat belts, how is it different than seat belts?  Do we address a growing health crisis in our country as it relates to poor food, aggressive consumer marketing towards unhealthy products or is it all freedom of choice?  I don't have an answer, hence it isn't a "gotcha" question.  Just a question(s). 
    #Lead beakerhead specialist 

    "Soul of the mind, key to life's ether. Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel. Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended. So the world might be mended."
  • cadmancadman Home of the Gators Posts: 41,642 AG
    edited September 22 #29
    kellercl said:
    Gardawg said:
    I'm glad they banned smoking in restaurants.
    I'm glad they mandated seat belt usage. 
    Both save lives. That's a good thing.

    If you are drinking then don't drive. That simple.  



    Poor diet and lack of excerise kills tens of thousands a year. Genuine question, should diet and lifestyle be regulated to save lives?

    Please note I'm not being a smart*** nor is it a trap question.  Heart disease and diabetes are the number 1 and number 2 killers annually, even during covid.  It is a legit question and I'm curious what others think about increasing regulation on foods.
    Food is highly regulated by Nutrition labels and guidelines. Sugar content in kids' foods has been reduced in the last 50 years due to regulations about such things, Cereals like Sugar Frosted Flakes, Sugar Smacks, and such had to change their names and remove sugar from the brand. 

    Many health plans have incentives to lose weight or exercise. Many employers do also. You can only go so far trying to help people eat better and exercise more. You violate the constitution if you go much further. 

    Like a seat belt, you can do everything to encourage the person to wear it, but if they decide not to it is their choice. The odds of getting a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt are pretty low, so the argument for getting a ticket is not a good one. it is still only a civil infraction, not a crime, 10% of people don't wear seatbelts. 

    Former Mini Mart Magnate

    I am just here for my amusement. 

  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 22,168 AG
    edited September 22 #30
    kellercl said:
    Gardawg said:
    I'm glad they banned smoking in restaurants.
    I'm glad they mandated seat belt usage. 
    Both save lives. That's a good thing.

    If you are drinking then don't drive. That simple.  



    Poor diet and lack of excerise kills tens of thousands a year. Genuine question, should diet and lifestyle be regulated to save lives?

    Please note I'm not being a smart*** nor is it a trap question.  Heart disease and diabetes are the number 1 and number 2 killers annually, even during covid.  It is a legit question and I'm curious what others think about increasing regulation on foods.

    It is a great point, especially when you consider that a lot of the rationalization for the erosion of personal freedom is due to the "cost to society".  As people expect govco to fund health care and the cost continues to spiral out of control(sort of like tuition funding), it would only be expected that the same rationalization can be used to regulate your health choices... even if we dont agree with what is healthy, since that never matters when it comes to the "cost to society".  This list of overstepping is long, so adding to the list is not difficult. 
    • Caloric intake regulation.
    • Minimum exercise
    • Red meat consumption
    • Fat consumption
    • Sugar consumption(this is the big killer)
    • Sun exposure (banning ads for vacations in sunny locations should be on the short list)
    • Mandatory consuming of green vegetables.
    • Taxing the obese.
    Penalties might include taxing, restricting travel, firing from jobs, isolation.... who knows what else.


  • GardawgGardawg IslamoradaPosts: 15,687 AG
    motorcycle helmets ... some states they are mandatory

    some states they aren't

    what is the cost to those states?


    "Forgiveness is a strange thing. It can be sometimes easier to forgive our enemies than our friends. It can be hardest of all to forgive people we love." Fred Rogers  
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