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Center Fights for Endangered Species Act in Congress

The Endangered Species Act is under heavy fire again in Congress -- and this week, Center for Biological Diversity Executive Director Kierán Suckling testified at a half-day hearing on the successful law's alleged failings, led by Republicans on the House Natural Resources Committee who are gunning for the Act.

Suckling presented data showing the Act is a broad success -- saving 99.9 percent of species from extinction and putting 93 percent on the road to recovery -- and, along with others offering evidence of the Act's excellent track record, made a powerful case for keeping the Act intact. Yet many committee members maintained a hostile posture, suggesting the battle has just begun.

Chairman Doc Hastings vowed to call for more hearings, and right-wing members of Congress are teeing up anti-wildlife bills that will have disastrous consequences for rare animals and plants across the country unless we stop them. We'll send you bulletins from the front lines, tell you when action is needed and keep fighting for the Endangered Species Act and the species it saves.

Watch a video of Tuesday's congressional hearing and learn more in our press release, where you can read Suckling's testimony.
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  • Got TA GoGot TA Go Posts: 2,608 Captain
    Cyclist wrote: »
    Center Fights for Endangered Species Act in Congress

    The Endangered Species Act is under heavy fire again in Congress -- and this week, Center for Biological Diversity Executive Director Kierán Suckling testified at a half-day hearing on the successful law's alleged failings, led by Republicans on the House Natural Resources Committee who are gunning for the Act.

    Suckling presented data showing the Act is a broad success -- saving 99.9 percent of species from extinction and putting 93 percent on the road to recovery -- and, along with others offering evidence of the Act's excellent track record, made a powerful case for keeping the Act intact. Yet many committee members maintained a hostile posture, suggesting the battle has just begun.

    Chairman Doc Hastings vowed to call for more hearings, and right-wing members of Congress are teeing up anti-wildlife bills that will have disastrous consequences for rare animals and plants across the country unless we stop them. We'll send you bulletins from the front lines, tell you when action is needed and keep fighting for the Endangered Species Act and the species it saves.

    Watch a video of Tuesday's congressional hearing and learn more in our press release, where you can read Suckling's testimony.

    Cyclist... Knowing that you can have, from time to time, a differing view of the world than the majority of FSFF members...Where did this "Press Release" come from? What Enviro/Animal Rights group?

    I'm also curious as to how .1% of the species went extinct. What species represented 0.1%?

    Rob
    www.gottagofishinginkeywest.com


    Hero's Don't Wear Capes....They Wear Dog Tags.
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
    Not a member, but I do get their emails.

    http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/

    OUR MISSION

    At the Center for Biological Diversity, we believe that the welfare of human beings is deeply linked to nature — to the existence in our world of a vast diversity of wild animals and plants. Because diversity has intrinsic value, and because its loss impoverishes society, we work to secure a future for all species, great and small, hovering on the brink of extinction. We do so through science, law and creative media, with a focus on protecting the lands, waters and climate that species need to survive.

    We want those who come after us to inherit a world where the wild is still alive.


    Their take on Oceans.
    http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/oceans/index.html

    Fisheries
    http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/fisheries/index.html

    Seems like they target commercials.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,743 AG
    They love the gentle gray mermaids too..
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
    From what I can tell their mission and what they have done is a good thing for the recreational angler.
  • Cyclist wrote: »
    "... we believe that the welfare of human beings is deeply linked to nature..."

    Much like other ENGO's, they make this claim but push unrealistic causes, and in many cases take actions against
    what science and reality show, that creates extreme hardship for man. Look at the fisheries, and how a lack of science,
    or maintaining the "Status-Quo" which is the preferred option of both EDF and PEW (as stated on their website) has
    managed to lobby to get fisheries that are known to healthy, Closed. This unnecessary closure has cost many jobs,
    and created extreme hardship for thousands.

    In the Animal Kingdom, Speceis declared "Endangered" have more rights than man. Look at some of the laws surrounding
    the "Grey Mermaid", and what it cost the state of Florida, well residents of. This is not even a speceis that is native to
    these waters! The gopher Turtle is another example. Just mention that one was spotted on a vacaent lot you intend to
    build on, and watch the Feds swarm to their protection. I'm not saying its a bad thing to be protective of threatened
    animals, but why does our government not give this kind of attention to the average working folk?

    Much like the lead ban proposal, and the continued attempt to have lead banned from recreational hunting and fishing
    gear and ammo, an extreme position if so often taken by these groups that it becomes hard to take these people
    seriously. I'm not singleing out this particular group, and as a matter of fact, I'm not real famaliar with them, aside
    from their most noteworthy activity seems to be pushing for area closures of any habitat that a threatened or
    endangered speceis is found (Think Spotted Owl). Pushing for area closures for the sake of a fish declared "Overfished"
    would be right up their alley.

    With Groups including EDF and PEW Opposing a legislative call to REQUIRE Accurate and Current Data to be used in
    regulating our fisheries, a sense of caution must be taken when dealing with these groups. EDF and the Catch Share
    Scheme is the most obvious example.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,595 Captain
    Was the Recreational Fisherman listed on that Endangered Species List? We are the ones threatened with extinction here.
  • Tom Hilton wrote: »
    Was the Recreational Fisherman listed on that Endangered Species List? We are the ones threatened with extinction here.


    Ya hit that one out of the park Captain Tom:thumbsup
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
    Ya hit that one out of the park Captain Tom:thumbsup

    Drama queens! :wink
  • You cut me to the quick:cry
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • mjacksmjacks Posts: 152 Deckhand
    Cyclist wrote: »
    From what I can tell their mission and what they have done is a good thing for the recreational angler.

    Very heavily weighted with attorneys from varying backgrounds, This 501 (3) (c) enviro-organization is, like many other enviro-organization is after its own sustainability. They sue for the sake of suing, knowing that their progressive activism will win them continued contributions from the elitist crowd. It's all about the money. They do nothing but continue their pursuit of the demise of the recreational angler through their unwavering commitment to sue at the drop of a hat. They will continue this practice until they are fully exposed for who they are - progressive socialists who mean America far more harm than good. Wake up America. Stop flowing money to these folks and others. Why? Here is a vivid example:

    PETA. You know, that bleeding heart organization of all things protection of animals? The ones that tug at your heartstrings and now want to call the fish in our oceans "sea kittens". Take a look at this:

    http://www.petakillsanimals.com/proof/

    PETA kills a substantial amount of the animals they take in (93% in 2010) within 24 hours of taking them in. That is their idea of "ethical treatment"? This shows that PETA and other 501 (3) (c)'s could care less what they espouse e.g. "The Ethical Treatment Of Animals". What they care about is their $34.8 Million dollar budget and their sustainable survival through convincing an unsuspecting public that they are "for the animals". Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Same goes for the Enviro 501 (3) (c)'s who are acting upon their Private Foundation Donor's wishes to get the recreational anglers off the water. They've figured out that there is enormous money available for their "sustainability". They could give a **** less about the fish!
  • What is under fire is the cottage industry of environmental non governmental organizations which are populated with self appointed , self certified parasitic lawyers posing as custodians of the "environment" who have audacity to seek to deny access to this nations natural resources to it's owners.

    And it has been way too late in coming.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
    What is under fire is the cottage industry of environmental non governmental organizations which are populated with self appointed , self certified parasitic lawyers posing as custodians of the "environment" who have audacity to seek to deny access to this nations natural resources to it's owners.

    And it has been way too late in coming.

    Dude! Considering who you work for you have no say in this matter, nor ANY matter regarding our environment ever again. Gary, you wrote your own "environmental - conservation" obituary by working for that crooked carpetbagging moron.
  • FletchFletch Merritt Island, FLPosts: 2,558 Moderator
    What is under fire is the cottage industry of environmental non governmental organizations which are populated with self appointed , self certified parasitic lawyers posing as custodians of the "environment" who have audacity to seek to deny access to this nations natural resources to it's owners.

    And it has been way too late in coming.

    :thumbsup
    "Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent, I'll probably waste..."
    -- Tug McGraw on getting a raise

    Get Down Fishing Charters - Port Canaveral, Florida
  • Cyclist, did fall off your bike and bump your head?
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • StillinscrubsStillinscrubs Posts: 1,844 Officer
    Cyclist wrote: »
    Dude! Considering who you work for you have no say in this matter, nor ANY matter regarding our environment ever again. Gary, you wrote your own "environmental - conservation" obituary by working for that crooked carpetbagging moron.

    Really. Don't you get tired of pumping your agenda in the hopes of tricking some well meaning newb into buying the BS you shovel? Your whole reason for being here is the hope that you will confuse some new sportsman into doing the wrong thing. Pretty sad existence.
  • StradlatterStradlatter Posts: 46 Deckhand
    Cyclist wrote: »
    Dude! Considering who you work for you have no say in this matter, nor ANY matter regarding our environment ever again. Gary, you wrote your own "environmental - conservation" obituary by working for that crooked carpetbagging moron.

    Wow, tough words. Forgive me for being uninformed, but who does Gary work for?

    Gary, I do find it interesting that you put the word environment in quotes; that essentially means that you think the word has no meaning.
  • You will be surprised by the answer.
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • lemaymiamilemaymiami Posts: 4,673 Captain
    The most recent reply by "Cyclist" shows a small portion of the real problem with "enviros".... they're so convinced that they're on the right course that anyone who has the audacity to question their claims is committing something like heresy. In other words their passion seems to have become religion (and they're just as reasonable as any other religious fanatic, only it's normally kept concealed...). This sort of situation leads to all sorts of questionable conduct on their part. The ESA is a prime example where a listing is used for lots of other purposes than what was intended - particularly when it comes to closing off the largest portion of areas to fishing and other recreational pursuits... These are the original "look but don't touch" folks, and they're perfectly willing to impose their radical views on everyone else. Their real agenda is anti-growth, anti-fishing (or hunting) and I swear they'd be perfectly happy in a heavily managed world where government gets to tell everyone what they can and can't do...

    No wonder the ESA is under attack. It's core purpose has been perverted beyond the wildest dreams of those that enacted it. There are some reasonable elements in it but it has to change, period. Cyclist when you spout this kind of venom, you might want to make a point of controlling yourself a bit. Your biases, prejudices, and real animus are showing - all too clearly.
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  • ...that essentially means that you think the word has no meaning.

    Being an obscure fictional literary character from a 1950's novel, I would think that you would understand the use of quotes to express sarcasm.

    These ENGO's although cloaking themselves in the mantle of protectors of all trees bright and beautiful, actually contribute nothing to the very thing they represent themselves as being stewards of. Their business model relies upon creating non-quantifiable crises aimed at the well meaning yet uninformed, introducing doubt and fear to any progressive process and litigating any action taken by those who actually have the background and credentials and the responsibility to resolve these issues.

    The real crime is that they have co-opted the term environmentalist from those who actually are and poisoned its use. A better and more applicable descriptor would be preventionist. Which is really all they seek to do.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

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  • EggsuckindogEggsuckindog Posts: 1,526 Captain
    Actually if we hark back, this is the gravy train for the lawyers - remember the secret fund that they get reimbursed from on every lawsuit they file win or lose - so file they will.

    It encourges the frivilous and by shutting that off you shut off most of the crap post haste, if they really had to put up their own money like the FRA does.
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  • Dixon, I think Gary already said that, we just need to figure out a way to inform those involved that they are being taken for a ride.
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
    Dixon, I think Gary already said that, we just need to figure out a way to inform those involved that they are being taken for a ride.

    Funny how you guys thank that it is OK to earn a living destroying our environment but when it comes to people who want to save what little is left you do not think they have a right to earn a living. Get a clue.

    You guys clearly have little grasp on what has happened environmentally in the United States and how our natural systems have taken the brunt of it. There is VERY LITTLE left of what this country once was.

    The radicals are not those who are trying to protect what little is left from corporate greed the radicals are people like you folks who haven't a clue. You see green grass or pines in lines and you think forest. You people need educate yourselves. You are giving away what little functioning ecosystems we have left to the same people and corporations that have exploited it before.

    YES A FRACTION OF OUR NATURAL ECOSYSTEMS ARE FUNCTIONING IN A MANNER THAT IS NOT SEVERELY IMPACTED FROM CENTURIES OF MANS ACTIONS.

    To narrow things down a bit I encourage you folks to purchase and read the following atlas of Florida's Natural History. You will be amazed as to the extent of mans influence in this state. To try and save what little is left is not radical it is good old conservative common sense.
    http://www.floridasnaturalheritage.org/

    Take a look at the sample pages.
    http://www.fnai.org/PDF/Atlas_Coastal_Communities.pdf
    http://www.fnai.org/PDF/Atlas_Plants_Overview.pdf
    http://www.fnai.org/PDF/Atlas_Florida_Panther.pdf
    http://www.fnai.org/PDF/Atlas_Climate_Change.pdf
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
    Wow, tough words. Forgive me for being uninformed, but who does Gary work for?

    Gary, I do find it interesting that you put the word environment in quotes; that essentially means that you think the word has no meaning.

    Our crooked governor who says he is an environmental pragmatist, but what that actually means is that development is key to Florida's economy even at the expense of the environment, tourism and outdoor recreation. What a joke.
  • Ol MuckyOl Mucky Posts: 5,603 Admiral
    lemaymiami wrote: »
    The most recent reply by "Cyclist" shows a small portion of the real problem with "enviros".... they're so convinced that they're on the right course that anyone who has the audacity to question their claims is committing something like heresy. In other words their passion seems to have become religion (and they're just as reasonable as any other religious fanatic, only it's normally kept concealed...). .

    A repost but this pretty much sums up the lib/enviro wacko crowd


    7 Reasons Why Liberals Are Incapable of Understanding The World
    Townhall.com | August 23, 2011 | John Hawkins

    To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil. — Charles Krauthammer

    Even liberals who've accomplished a lot in their lives and have high IQs often say things on a regular basis that are stunningly, profoundly stupid and at odds with the way the world works. Modern liberalism has become so bereft of common sense and instinctually suicidal that America can only survive over the long haul by thwarting the liberal agenda. In fact, liberalism has become such a toxic and poisonous philosophy that most liberals wouldn't behave differently if their goal were to deliberately destroy the country. So, how does liberalism cause well-meaning, intelligent liberals to get this way? Well, it starts with...

    1) Liberalism creates a feedback loop. It is usually impossible for a non-liberal to change a liberal's mind about political issues because liberalism works like so: only liberals are credible sources of information. How do you know someone's liberal? He espouses liberal doctrine. So, no matter how plausible what you say may be, it will be ignored if you're not a liberal and if you are a liberal, of course, you probably agree with liberal views. This sort of close-mindedness makes liberals nearly impervious to any information that might undermine their beliefs.

    2) Liberals sources of information are ever present. Conservatives are regularly exposed to the liberal viewpoint whether they want to be or not. That's not necessarily so for liberals. Imagine the average day for liberals. They get up and read their local newspaper. It has a liberal viewpoint. They take their kids to school, where the teachers are liberal. Then they go to work, listen to NPR which has a liberal viewpoint on the way home, and then turn on the nightly news which also skews leftward. From there, they turn on TV and watch shows created by liberals that lean to the left, if they have any political viewpoint at all. Unless liberals actively seek out conservative viewpoints, which is unlikely, the only conservative arguments they're probably going to hear are going to be through the heavily distorted, poorly translated, deeply skeptical lens of other liberals.

    3) Liberals emphasize feeling superior, not superior results. Liberalism is all about appearances, not outcomes. What matters to liberals is how a program makes them FEEL about themselves, not whether it works or not. Thus a program like Headstart, which sounds good because it's designed to help children read, makes liberals feel good about themselves, even though the program doesn't work and wastes billions. A ban on DDT makes liberals feel good about themselves because they're "protecting the environment" even though millions of people have died as a result. For liberals, it's not what a program does in the real world; it's about whether they feel better about themselves for supporting it.

    4) Liberals are big believers in moral relativism. This spins them round and round because if the only thing that's wrong is saying that there's an absolute moral code, then you lose your ability to tell cause from effect, good from bad, and right from wrong. Taking being non-judgmental to the level that liberals do leaves them paralyzed, pondering "why they hate us" because they feel incapable of saying, “That's wrong," and doing something about it. If you're against firm standards and condemning immoral behavior, then your moral compass won’t work and you’ll also be for immorality, as well as societal and cultural decay by default.

    5) Liberals tend to view people as parts of groups, not individuals. One of the prejudices of liberalism is that they see everyone as part of a group, not as an individual. This can lead to rather bizarre disparities when say, a man from a group that they consider to be powerless, impoverished victims becomes the leader of the free world -- and he's challenged by a group of lower middle class white people who've banded together because individually they're powerless. If you listen to the liberal rhetoric, you might think Barack Obama was a black Republican being surrounded by a KKK lynching party 100 years ago -- as opposed to the single most powerful man in America abusing the authority of his office to attack ordinary Tea Partiers who have the audacity to speak the truth to power for the good of their country.

    6) Liberals take a dim view of personal responsibility. Who's at fault if a criminal commits a crime? The criminal or society? If someone creates a business and becomes a millionaire, is that the result of hard work and talent or luck? If you're dirt poor, starving, and haven't worked in 5 years, is that a personal failing or a failure of the state? Conservatives would tend to say the former in each case, while liberals would tend to say the latter. But when you disconnect what an individual does from the results that happen in his life, it's very difficult to understand cause and effect in people's lives.

    7) Liberals give themselves far too much credit just for being liberal. To many liberals, all one needs to do to be wise, intelligent, compassionate, open minded, and sensitive is to BE LIBERAL. In other words, many of the good things about a person spring not from his actions, but from the ideology he holds. This has an obvious appeal. You can be a diehard misogynist, but plausibly call yourself a feminist, hate blacks, but accuse others of racism, have a subpar IQ and be an intellectual, give nothing to charity and be compassionate, etc., etc., and all you have to do is call yourself a liberal. It's a shortcut to virtue much like the corrupt old idea of religious indulgences. Why live a life of virtue when you could live a sinful life and buy your way into heaven? If you're a liberal, why actually live a life of virtue when you can merely call yourself a liberal and get credit for being virtuous, even when you've done nothing to earn it?
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  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
    I bring a little TRUE conservation to the "conservation" forum (really just conservation of continued natural resources abuse) and the forum bobble heads go crazy. Imagine that.

    Get all sort of idiotic right winger BS from conservative right winger bloggers. Seriously, what a joke.
  • StillinscrubsStillinscrubs Posts: 1,844 Officer
    Cyclist. You claim to have gone quail hunting this weekend. You "must" know the current status of the bobwhite quail in America. Justify your actions......
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
    Cyclist. You claim to have gone quail hunting this weekend. You "must" know the current status of the bobwhite quail in America. Justify your actions......

    You can read my reply in the hunting section. The abnormally high population of quail is no longer. Our rural farms are gone.
  • StillinscrubsStillinscrubs Posts: 1,844 Officer
    Weak response as I expected. Funny large scale biofuel farming is the major contributor to the decline of the species and you are out hunting them. Irony at its finest.

    For the record I spent most of my free time when not hunting in college trying to reintroduce wild quail in Ohio to their former range the biggest obstacle after catch the wild birds was finding places where the biofuel farmers hadn't ripped out every fence row as tilled under every spare inch of cover. Gotta get that biofuel profit.
  • Cyclist wrote: »
    I bring a little TRUE conservation to the "conservation" forum (really just conservation of continued natural resources abuse) and the forum bobble heads go crazy. Imagine that.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,340 AG
    Weak response as I expected. Funny large scale biofuel farming is the major contributor to the decline of the species and you are out hunting them. Irony at its finest.

    For the record I spent most of my free time when not hunting in college trying to reintroduce wild quail in Ohio to their former range the biggest obstacle after catch the wild birds was finding places where the biofuel farmers hadn't ripped out every fence row as tilled under every spare inch of cover. Gotta get that biofuel profit.

    According to the data most of the fence rows and small farms were destroyed by corporate ag many many years before bush and his ethanol fiasco.

    Ethanol is bad stuff, but I don't believe you can blame the farm conversions on it. You CAN blame the beef eaters and all the soft drinks (high fructose corn syrup).

    Corporate AG is greedy.
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