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BaitMasterBaitMaster Posts: 11 Deckhand
edited July 15 in Conservation Front #1
DEAD FISH EVERYWHERE from this current Algae bloom !!  
I keep hearing a Tampa area radio broadcaster blame the Piney Point Spill on politicians. I believe that is part of the problem, but why are we not holding these current fertilizer producers responsible?  I find this “Reeldisappointing”. I have also heard this radio show host talk about hosting fishing trips for Mosiac. There was a even a corporate Mosiac logo  as a sponsor of their Television program.

Growing up in Tampa, and after college, I  enjoyed listening to Captmel back in the 90's, and later I continues to his podcasts (untill he unexpectedly left us a decade ago). I have even enjoy the Reelhosts radio, and television fishing show for years. However, I am tired of hearing the the blame on politicians, when there is a fertilizer corporation repeating the same activity that Piney creek fertilizer performed before they declared bankruptcy and abandoned large ponds of Toxic (high nitrogen) content for future populations to handle. 

 I think we are all disappointed in what has happened with the fish kill in Tampa Bay, and the central west coast of Florida.  Where is Florida Coastal Conservation Association?  Why are they not currently protesting again Mosiac Fertilizer, and the other industries directly associated to this Toxic mess.  Piney point fertilizer, the company that constructed those ponds and filled them with Toxic wastewater, may no longer be around.  However, Mosiac (formerly Cargill's location) is still a very profitable company and appears to continue to maintain similar Toxic ponds on their facilities. 

One of the big issues with the pollution of Tampa bay is the Fertilizer companies.  I grew up in Riverview in the 70's, prior to the existence of Interstate 75 when the major Hwy was 41 (then North to I-4). We drove past Cargill as they continued to construct this mountain from phosphate by-products at the mouth of the Alafia River and Tampa Bay.  I never realized until recently (utilizing Google earth) that at the top of this toxic heap/ mound are more large (Toxic?) holding ponds. 

One summer, my mother dropped us off at a Babysitter on Riverview Road (Several miles East of Cargill). I would  watch heavy equipment (very attractive to young boys everywhere)  moving soil, and see large dump trucks, deposit loads of dirt(?) while constructing this mound.  In the more recent decades since I moved to North Texas,  there appears to be another large mound on the East side of Hwy 41, with another holding pond in the middle(Is this also owned by Mosiac?). 

Those toxic ponds at Pine Point Phosphate are not the current politicians fault.  What is the end-game to those Toxic ponds except to leave them there for the future populations to handle (at those populations expense)?  Now, They are discussing using deep injection wells to dispose of this toxic water??  Are we just burying and hiding this issue ( What goes down, must come up)?

Right now, The issues is the phosphate polluting the waters contributing to the algae bloom. This has been happening for decades.  My Uncle lived on the Alafia River, East of the Hwy 301 bridge. We would visit to him to  fish (I have caught snook and Redfish from his dock) and swim.  In the 1970's, you could watch schools of Tarpon swim east of Hwy 301, following the large schools of migrating mullet.  Fisherman would target them from the Riverview Civic Center.  That seems to have changed after the fertilizer companies  discharged toxic waste chemicals into the tributaries flowing into Alafia river killing all fish.  However, through the 90's, I was still able to find large Snook hiding in the mangrove roots in shallow pools of water in the Alafia River just west of Lithia Springs, and even some smaller snook up river from here.

 View google earth and you will recognize that those "mountains" of radioactive by-products now owned by Mosiac, appear to be topped with  even LARGER (compared to Piney Point) TOXIC ponds, just waiting for a powerful Hurricane to make a direct hit in the Tampa Bay area and spill this TOXIC waste water into the Alafia River and Tampa Bay.  What is the purpose of these ponds?? We should demand that Mosiac process these Toxic ponds NOW, at their own expense. 


  I am stunned. and angry, as I started scheduling our vacation back to Florida nearly a year ago (with the boat in tow) to Tampa as well as  the Florida Keys. It now looks like every single fish in Tampa Bay has died and is floating on the surface.    



There are Island's of rotten smelly dead fish stretching for miles inside, and outside of Tampa Bay. This Toxic bloom has been happening for years up and down the west coast of Florida. Two years ago, while on vacation we experienced another Toxic fish killing algae bloom in the panhandle of Florida  (Ft. Walton Beach). This impacted my family fishing vacation to that area. It may have recovered, but I will no longer be visiting Ft. Walton Beach. 

All these people, and organizations, are claiming to be for Conservation and protection of the environment.  Well that protection starts by stopping these Billion dollar organizations from creating and storing these toxic Chemicals in open pits/ponds right on the edge of Tampa Bay, in the first place!!!

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  • JCSJCS Posts: 42 Deckhand
    With all with all due respect, CCA Florida’s membership is a tiny fraction of the number of actual anglers and boaters here in Florida.  As is often pointed out, if CCA’s was as large as the NRA, we would not have the problems we have with marine related issues.  It’s all about the numbers.  Tell a politician you represent 5 million constituents and you get their attention. tell them you represent 20,000 and they will not give you the time of day.  

    There are a lot of “keyboard warriors” that jump on the internet and like to blame and blast groups like CCA.  I am not sure if there intentions are self serving or they are just looking to start arguments.  Maybe a better use of their efforts would be to get involved with one of these groups they are targeting. 

    Full disclosure, I am a proud member of CCA.  I joined and have been heavily involved because I do not want to be one of those people that sit on the dock and ****.  Do I agree with everything they do, no, but I would challenge anyone to find a group that has done more for our fisheries and the marine environment than CCA.
  • BaitMasterBaitMaster Posts: 11 Deckhand
    "There are a lot of “keyboard warriors” that jump on the internet and like to blame and blast groups like CCA.".
     I blamed CCA???   Where did I blame CCA for the current Algae bloom on the west coast of Florida killing Millions of fish?   Where did I blame CCA for anything??   ON THE CONTRARY, I want to encourage CCA to get involved!!!!   Do what the name claims "Coastal Conservation" and perform it on the west coast, and I may renew my membership. I have heard broadcast members for CCA claim that they need 2 millions members to become a voice for the Recreational Angler.   The Tampa Bay area if looking for a voice right now.     CCA wants more members in Tampa Bay area, then put it out there. Take a stance, FIGHT!!! for the residence and all those poor fishies on the West Coast. I dropped my involvement with CCA when regulations were changed in Florida to allow commercial fisherman to harvest  Red Snapper, while decreasing the limits of the recreational angler. Effectively closing the ARS season to vacationers like me and my family.   We all know that the stocks of American Red Snapper or higher now, than they have ever been in HISTORY.  In Texas, we can still harvest ARS in Texas State Waters. 

    Red Snapper Season in State Waters TEXAS

    Open: Year-round
    Bag limit: 4 fish per person daily
    Size limit: 15-in minimum
    Applies to: Private recreational anglers in state waters.


    However, if all I hear from CCA is this "Star tournament", and the expensive prizes participants could win if they catch a tagged fish, or win a drawing, then I am not interested in Florida CCA. If you visit their site, https://ccaflorida.org/  we see a single article at the top about releasing 34K Red fish on the west coast (those are now all DEAD). Every other article attempts to raise money via the Star tournament.  I also don't care to see my fees going to Blair Wiggins and his Indian River Clam Restoration (I don't target clams in my leisure, although there was some large examples in Tampa Bay).  Tampa Bay's area population is large enough, that CCA needs a larger presence, and this is the perfect time.  I want to see more things in the Tampa Bay area.  A few years ago, there were CCA projects to restore the grass beds, and help bring back more fish.  Well, most of those fish are now dead!!

    I listen to a bunch of fishing Podcasts out of Florida (frequently live, but all these shows occur at the same time so I listen to the podcasts).  A few months ago, before the Piney Point spill, and the Red Tide, I would hear the spokes woman for CCA talk about getting members, and the "Star Tournament".  Now that these disasters are occurring on the West coast, I don't hear her anywhere!!   I hear all they need is 2 millions members to start to be a voice for the Recreational angler, and there are more than 3 million people in Bay area (Pinellas, Hillsborough, Manatee, Pasco, and maybe even Sarasota). Instead of speaking about your star tournament (nobody wants to go out after a major fish kill that occurs year after year), now is the time that the spoke woman for CCA should be making the rounds and telling the angers what CCA can do for them.  

    Since you are so " heavily involved", what is CCA doing about these Fertilizer ponds that threaten the west Coast?
    Are they discussing it.  Is anyone discussing it?  I pulled up Google Earth to locate Piney Point, as I was not familiar with that Corporation, and their ponds polluting the bay. I was completely surprised that Cargill, now Mosiaic has created the exact same hazard at the top of their mounds (why???) and practically no body knows they are there. I drive, and even launch my boat from that area all the time.  I believed that the most polluted part of that area was the parking lot at the ramp  on the Alafia rive, next to fertilizer plant.   I literally believed that the top of the mound was covered with a tarps and trees (I had heard that mounds is composed of radioactive by-product from Phosphate conversion to fertilizer).  I not seen CCA make a statement on this fish kill and these ponds involvement.   

    "Coast Conservation", In my opinion, (and I would really appreciate to learn I am mistaken!!) these Cargill constructed ponds now at Mosaic (and the pond at Piney Point) are major threats to Florida West Coast (even a larger threat than Piney Point), and we need an "Association" to sound the alarm.  These mounds are viewable all over the bay area, but very few people know that hidden at the summit, is a Toxic disaster looming within plain site (another one was constructed in the past 20 years located just east of hwy 41, in close proximity of the Alafia river) and right by the  "East Bay Raceway Park".   Why do we need these open cesspools of nitrogen waste located in some of the most promising beachfront in the bay area. 

    I think I have demonstrated my passion for this States Natural resources.  I have no issues with investing in an organization like CCA but they have to demonstrate that I will not be throwing my money away on projects outside my area of interest (TAMPA BAY).  There may be large political lobbyist representing the multi-billion dollar fertilizer organization, but the could still be available to help educate the public on the current dangers in plain view. 

  • JCSJCS Posts: 42 Deckhand
    To clarify this from the start, I do not work for CCA and the opinion I express is mine. You asked “where is CCA”, specifically calling put that organization as not getting involved in this issue.  As I said, I do not agree with everything they do.  One item I have raised concerns with is the lack of communication outside of their membership.  They send out updates of key items through their weekly newsletter but unfortunately that only goes to the 20,000 members.  In addition, they have a number of projects that are in progress but unfortunately the permitting process can take up to two years or more. Yes there are projects planned that include Piney Point but these will take time.  Our problems did not occur overnight and can’t be fixed overnight.  As an example look at the Everglades.  We created that problem 100 years ago and we are just seeing progress within the last few years.

    I think there is a few misunderstanding as to CCA in general. First they are a grassroots organization made up of volunteers.  They employ less than a dozen people in the state.  The spokeswoman that you mentioned is the STAR Tournament Director.  Her job is to promote the STAR Tournament.  She has done a great job but she is only one person.  The tournament serves two purposes, first to gain membership.  Secondly, they are able to share catch data, not specific locations, but species and general areas with FWC.  This data is used to make better decisions regarding fisheries management decisions and identify potential issues before it’s too late.  We, recreational anglers, are constantly called out by the Gulf of Mexico Fisheries Council at every meeting I have sit in on regarding recreational catch data.  The only thing we have on the recreational side are ramp surveys which tend to be “best guess” numbers.

    With regard to a spokesperson, that responsibility falls under the Executive Directors position, but also in the information that volunteers are able communicate within their individual chapters.  This is all about educating the general public.  You can’t have conservation without education.

    There are a number of great groups out there that focus on specific issues.  Unfortunately having so many groups all pushing their specific issue makes communication with our elected officials difficult.  It also fractures the overall numbers so that no one group is able to stand out to the legislature. 

      You sound like a very passionate person and CCA could use your enthusiasm to get their message out.  I would encourage you to not only renew your membership but to also get involved.  
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,288 AG
    CCA doeswhat it always has, padding teir pockets off you ignoerant and unwashed masses.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • permit_mepermit_me Posts: 1,161 Officer
    i recall a couple years back, Manatee county tried to resist issuing a permit for a new mine. the old mining laws require the Govt to pay the amt made off the mine over time if permit denied. 
    Manatee county had no balls. they should have denied and then challenged the law. they caved. so it will continue.  It might just be time to move (to panhandle?).
    This aint gonna be resolved anytime soon. year in and year out since 2014 its been a major issue around the surrounding tampa bay (incl Nature coast too) region down to naples, the entire gulf coast basically. Florida also issue way too many permits to inject crap into the aquifer (or below, so they claim, but who is checking?) fert toxic sludge to wastewater. At the same time they allow nestle srekcuf to steal our spring water, helping ensure intrusion from the stuff the inject.   
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,288 AG
    How long they been mining phospate in Fl, decades?

    How long has redtide been documented, decades?

    Why are the out breaks worse in the last decade?

    Look in the **** mirror.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • pottydocpottydoc Port Saint JoePosts: 4,782 Captain
    "There are a lot of “keyboard warriors” that jump on the internet and like to blame and blast groups like CCA.".
     I blamed CCA???   Where did I blame CCA for the current Algae bloom on the west coast of Florida killing Millions of fish?   Where did I blame CCA for anything??   ON THE CONTRARY, I want to encourage CCA to get involved!!!!   Do what the name claims "Coastal Conservation" and perform it on the west coast, and I may renew my membership. I have heard broadcast members for CCA claim that they need 2 millions members to become a voice for the Recreational Angler.   The Tampa Bay area if looking for a voice right now.     CCA wants more members in Tampa Bay area, then put it out there. Take a stance, FIGHT!!! for the residence and all those poor fishies on the West Coast. I dropped my involvement with CCA when regulations were changed in Florida to allow commercial fisherman to harvest  Red Snapper, while decreasing the limits of the recreational angler. Effectively closing the ARS season to vacationers like me and my family.   We all know that the stocks of American Red Snapper or higher now, than they have ever been in HISTORY.  In Texas, we can still harvest ARS in Texas State Waters. 

    Red Snapper Season in State Waters TEXAS

    Open: Year-round
    Bag limit: 4 fish per person daily
    Size limit: 15-in minimum
    Applies to: Private recreational anglers in state waters.


    However, if all I hear from CCA is this "Star tournament", and the expensive prizes participants could win if they catch a tagged fish, or win a drawing, then I am not interested in Florida CCA. If you visit their site, https://ccaflorida.org/  we see a single article at the top about releasing 34K Red fish on the west coast (those are now all DEAD). Every other article attempts to raise money via the Star tournament.  I also don't care to see my fees going to Blair Wiggins and his Indian River Clam Restoration (I don't target clams in my leisure, although there was some large examples in Tampa Bay).  Tampa Bay's area population is large enough, that CCA needs a larger presence, and this is the perfect time.  I want to see more things in the Tampa Bay area.  A few years ago, there were CCA projects to restore the grass beds, and help bring back more fish.  Well, most of those fish are now dead!!

    I listen to a bunch of fishing Podcasts out of Florida (frequently live, but all these shows occur at the same time so I listen to the podcasts).  A few months ago, before the Piney Point spill, and the Red Tide, I would hear the spokes woman for CCA talk about getting members, and the "Star Tournament".  Now that these disasters are occurring on the West coast, I don't hear her anywhere!!   I hear all they need is 2 millions members to start to be a voice for the Recreational angler, and there are more than 3 million people in Bay area (Pinellas, Hillsborough, Manatee, Pasco, and maybe even Sarasota). Instead of speaking about your star tournament (nobody wants to go out after a major fish kill that occurs year after year), now is the time that the spoke woman for CCA should be making the rounds and telling the angers what CCA can do for them.  

    Since you are so " heavily involved", what is CCA doing about these Fertilizer ponds that threaten the west Coast?
    Are they discussing it.  Is anyone discussing it?  I pulled up Google Earth to locate Piney Point, as I was not familiar with that Corporation, and their ponds polluting the bay. I was completely surprised that Cargill, now Mosiaic has created the exact same hazard at the top of their mounds (why???) and practically no body knows they are there. I drive, and even launch my boat from that area all the time.  I believed that the most polluted part of that area was the parking lot at the ramp  on the Alafia rive, next to fertilizer plant.   I literally believed that the top of the mound was covered with a tarps and trees (I had heard that mounds is composed of radioactive by-product from Phosphate conversion to fertilizer).  I not seen CCA make a statement on this fish kill and these ponds involvement.   

    "Coast Conservation", In my opinion, (and I would really appreciate to learn I am mistaken!!) these Cargill constructed ponds now at Mosaic (and the pond at Piney Point) are major threats to Florida West Coast (even a larger threat than Piney Point), and we need an "Association" to sound the alarm.  These mounds are viewable all over the bay area, but very few people know that hidden at the summit, is a Toxic disaster looming within plain site (another one was constructed in the past 20 years located just east of hwy 41, in close proximity of the Alafia river) and right by the  "East Bay Raceway Park".   Why do we need these open cesspools of nitrogen waste located in some of the most promising beachfront in the bay area. 

    I think I have demonstrated my passion for this States Natural resources.  I have no issues with investing in an organization like CCA but they have to demonstrate that I will not be throwing my money away on projects outside my area of interest (TAMPA BAY).  There may be large political lobbyist representing the multi-billion dollar fertilizer organization, but the could still be available to help educate the public on the current dangers in plain view.   


    So, you gripe about CCA, but say you won't support them unless they spend money on only projects of your interest, which is a very small part of the issues that we are having in this State. I guess you think the rest of us should support only groups that have no interest outside of Tampa Bay? Yeah, that's gonna happen. If you don't like it here, why do you come back. Stay in Texas and fish there.

  • pottydocpottydoc Port Saint JoePosts: 4,782 Captain
    ANUMBER1 said:
    How long they been mining phospate in Fl, decades?

    How long has redtide been documented, decades?

    Why are the out breaks worse in the last decade?

    Look in the **** mirror.
    Careful,Art. Them facts are gonna make people mad.
  • pottydocpottydoc Port Saint JoePosts: 4,782 Captain
    "There are a lot of “keyboard warriors” that jump on the internet and like to blame and blast groups like CCA.".
     I blamed CCA???   Where did I blame CCA for the current Algae bloom on the west coast of Florida killing Millions of fish?   Where did I blame CCA for anything??   ON THE CONTRARY, I want to encourage CCA to get involved!!!!   Do what the name claims "Coastal Conservation" and perform it on the west coast, and I may renew my membership. I have heard broadcast members for CCA claim that they need 2 millions members to become a voice for the Recreational Angler.   The Tampa Bay area if looking for a voice right now.     CCA wants more members in Tampa Bay area, then put it out there. Take a stance, FIGHT!!! for the residence and all those poor fishies on the West Coast. I dropped my involvement with CCA when regulations were changed in Florida to allow commercial fisherman to harvest  Red Snapper, while decreasing the limits of the recreational angler. Effectively closing the ARS season to vacationers like me and my family.   We all know that the stocks of American Red Snapper or higher now, than they have ever been in HISTORY.  In Texas, we can still harvest ARS in Texas State Waters. 

    Red Snapper Season in State Waters TEXAS

    Open: Year-round
    Bag limit: 4 fish per person daily
    Size limit: 15-in minimum
    Applies to: Private recreational anglers in state waters.


    However, if all I hear from CCA is this "Star tournament", and the expensive prizes participants could win if they catch a tagged fish, or win a drawing, then I am not interested in Florida CCA. If you visit their site, https://ccaflorida.org/  we see a single article at the top about releasing 34K Red fish on the west coast (those are now all DEAD). Every other article attempts to raise money via the Star tournament.  I also don't care to see my fees going to Blair Wiggins and his Indian River Clam Restoration (I don't target clams in my leisure, although there was some large examples in Tampa Bay).  Tampa Bay's area population is large enough, that CCA needs a larger presence, and this is the perfect time.  I want to see more things in the Tampa Bay area.  A few years ago, there were CCA projects to restore the grass beds, and help bring back more fish.  Well, most of those fish are now dead!!

    I listen to a bunch of fishing Podcasts out of Florida (frequently live, but all these shows occur at the same time so I listen to the podcasts).  A few months ago, before the Piney Point spill, and the Red Tide, I would hear the spokes woman for CCA talk about getting members, and the "Star Tournament".  Now that these disasters are occurring on the West coast, I don't hear her anywhere!!   I hear all they need is 2 millions members to start to be a voice for the Recreational angler, and there are more than 3 million people in Bay area (Pinellas, Hillsborough, Manatee, Pasco, and maybe even Sarasota). Instead of speaking about your star tournament (nobody wants to go out after a major fish kill that occurs year after year), now is the time that the spoke woman for CCA should be making the rounds and telling the angers what CCA can do for them.  

    Since you are so " heavily involved", what is CCA doing about these Fertilizer ponds that threaten the west Coast?
    Are they discussing it.  Is anyone discussing it?  I pulled up Google Earth to locate Piney Point, as I was not familiar with that Corporation, and their ponds polluting the bay. I was completely surprised that Cargill, now Mosiaic has created the exact same hazard at the top of their mounds (why???) and practically no body knows they are there. I drive, and even launch my boat from that area all the time.  I believed that the most polluted part of that area was the parking lot at the ramp  on the Alafia rive, next to fertilizer plant.   I literally believed that the top of the mound was covered with a tarps and trees (I had heard that mounds is composed of radioactive by-product from Phosphate conversion to fertilizer).  I not seen CCA make a statement on this fish kill and these ponds involvement.   

    "Coast Conservation", In my opinion, (and I would really appreciate to learn I am mistaken!!) these Cargill constructed ponds now at Mosaic (and the pond at Piney Point) are major threats to Florida West Coast (even a larger threat than Piney Point), and we need an "Association" to sound the alarm.  These mounds are viewable all over the bay area, but very few people know that hidden at the summit, is a Toxic disaster looming within plain site (another one was constructed in the past 20 years located just east of hwy 41, in close proximity of the Alafia river) and right by the  "East Bay Raceway Park".   Why do we need these open cesspools of nitrogen waste located in some of the most promising beachfront in the bay area. 

    I think I have demonstrated my passion for this States Natural resources.  I have no issues with investing in an organization like CCA but they have to demonstrate that I will not be throwing my money away on projects outside my area of interest (TAMPA BAY).  There may be large political lobbyist representing the multi-billion dollar fertilizer organization, but the could still be available to help educate the public on the current dangers in plain view. 

    By your post I am thinking you are in Florida now? Or have very recently left? You said that vacationers like yourself missed out on ARS season. You might have should looked at the dates of the smaller season in the GOM before making that claim. Just so you know, if you're still here, you can fish for reds every day from tomorrow through midnight next Friday. 
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 571 Officer
    "I keep hearing a Tampa area radio broadcaster blame the Piney Point Spill on politicians. I believe that is part of the problem, but why are we not holding these current fertilizer producers responsible?  I find this “Reeldisappointing”. I have also heard this radio show host talk about hosting fishing trips for Mosiac. There was a even a corporate Mosiac logo  as a sponsor of their Television program."

    As mentioned before that radio show host's TV fishing show was sponsored by Mosaic a fertilizer company. Out of one side of the mouth says join the CCA and promote "conservation" but on the other hand took sponsor money from the very fertilizer industry responsible for polluting the bay, which is not conservation.

    To have his name and fishing show linked by sponsorship to Mosaic is a sell out to the bay and the fishing industry for money in the pocket. Mosaic used the fishing show sponsorship to promote their "good public image" and for a fishing guide to allow that to be pushed falsely on the fishing public by Mosaic is sick. I am sure the fact that a fishing show was sponsored by a polluting fertilizer company so that the fertilizer company could make good public image with the unknowing.

    It's called hypocrisy say one thing, "conservation" and do another by "padding the wallet" with tainted Mosaic sponsor money and then complain later about the fertilizer company you were sponsored by. 

    The Mosaic sponsorship did its job of public relations well because during the time of Mosaic sponsoring the TV fishing show there was never any mention on that same host's radio show of the not so good things that the fertilizer industry and Mosaic has done to the bay. Sponsor money has the tendency to tie one's tongue.

    It is bad enough when politicians sell the bay out for campaign fund money but when a fishing guide with a radio and TV show sells out to Mosaic for a few lousy bucks of sponsorship money that is disgusting.




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  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,288 AG
    I support Mosaic and the jobs they provide thruout the region.

    Ever stop and think what might happen if Mosaic shut down and sold all their holdings?

    Can you say "The Villages South".
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • JCSJCS Posts: 42 Deckhand
    Unfortunately we cannot pin the current situation in Tampa Bay to one company or one industry.  If it were that simple they could have resolved red tide years ago.  Mote has been working on a solution for at least 40 years that I know of.

    Everything we do is a trade off and we all bare some responsibility.  One of the few things I agree with from ANUMBER1☺️.

    Fertilizer is needed to grow food.  Is there an alternative that is more environmentally friendly and if so at what cost?  If food cost doubled, is the public willing to accept it?

    Population growth in this country requires more development for housing, more food, more water, and creates more waste.  We still incentivize this growth through tax credits for more children and other incentives for people to come to this country.   

    Florida is running out of fresh water.  One solution is to create desalination plants like we did in Tampa.  One of the waste items created in the process is salt.  The salt is reintroduced into the bay creating a hyper saline environment.  Although red tide can tolerate varying degrees of salinity, it prefers high saline environment.  

    Moving everyone to sewer vs. septic creates the need for additional treatment plants.  Through the treatment process bio solids are created which need disposal.  There are farms which accept these bio solids but this waste eventually makes its way back into the water systems.  Worse yet, attempts have been made in the waste to disperse the bio solids on adjacent to tributaries which flow into Tampa Bay and other waterways. Luckily the attempt to disperse this in land adjacent to the Little Manatee River did not get approved.

    Many sewer lines and components are failing and in need of replacement.  Just yesterday a valve failure resulted in 1500 gallons of untreated waste to be discharged into the bay.  Who will pay for the necessary upgrades?

    These are just a few things that could be contributing to the current situation. This will not be solved overnight.  Get involved and let’s starting holding our elected officials responsible to spend our tax dollars efficiently and effectively.  We could have done a lot of habitat cleanup with $1 million that was spent to study a lizard on a treadmill.😀


  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 571 Officer
    edited July 20 #14
    Nobody is blaming the red tide situation on just one industry or one company or one person, it is more than that. It is good the fertilizer industry creates jobs and helps grow food. It is bad that over the years the fertilizer companies have cut corners to make more money for the CEO's and stock holders at the expense of the environment and costing others their fishing and bay related jobs.

    Now that you mention jobs, Mosaic has had a lot to do with creating lots of other jobs, like toxic spill cleanup jobs, dead red tide fish removal jobs. 

    It's not the good the fertilizer industry has done, it's the bad they have done to the bay when for a few bucks they could have not done it. Then they buy good public relations by sponsoring a TV fishing show. Of course they are not the whole problem but they do have their share of it.

    There was no red tide in the bay and then a massive fertilizer dump into the bay off Piney Point and it did not take long for the red tide to bloom out of control. That spill caused the red tide to get going. Red tide is always in the background at low levels, but the fertilizer spill poured gas on a fire and lit it off.

    I noticed on TV over at Venetian Islands in NE st pete they were complaining about the stench of the red tide while in their back yard on the water by their nice green lawn more than likely from fertilizer that would feed the red tide. Every lawn on or near the bay is a source of red tide food from fertilizer run off and partly to blame That is why there is a ban on fertilizer in the summer months, but there is still run off.

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  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,288 AG
    you have your mind made up, you're part of the problem
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
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