FWC recommends rescind the catch-and-release for Redfish, Snook, Sea Trout

Fisherman007

See below from proposed staff meeting coming up!

https://myfwc.com/about/commission/commission-meetings/february-2021/
https://myfwc.com/media/25792/9a-sm-redtideupdate.pdf

Battlefish

Is this a good thing? Have stocks returned yet? 

Fisherman007

I think so.  I've been catching lots of snook, redfish and trout.  The FWC staff seems to think so as well.

AnEnglishFisherman

Must have been a hell of a quick recovery if so. On my last trip to the Lee county area in 2019 trout numbers were very low after them being incredibly plentiful on my previous trips to the area in 2018, 2016 and 2014. I reckon the total amount of trout I got on that last trip was no more than the average amount I’d get in a single day on the previous trips. I suspected at the time that it would take 4-5 years to recover bit like after the snook kill in 2010 so if it’s come back in less than 3 years that's incredible! 

CaptJ

In December fishing the beach I was catching trout on every cast for a couple of hours. Just look at the dock lights at night and check out the multitudes of snook.

Fisherman007

AnEnglishFisherman said:

Must have been a hell of a quick recovery if so. On my last trip to the Lee county area in 2019 trout numbers were very low after them being incredibly plentiful on my previous trips to the area in 2018, 2016 and 2014. I reckon the total amount of trout I got on that last trip was no more than the average amount I’d get in a single day on the previous trips. I suspected at the time that it would take 4-5 years to recover bit like after the snook kill in 2010 so if it’s come back in less than 3 years that's incredible! 

I'm fishing Sarasota Bay.  I think further south around Ft. Myers they got hit harder.

AnEnglishFisherman

Fisherman007 said:

AnEnglishFisherman said:

Must have been a hell of a quick recovery if so. On my last trip to the Lee county area in 2019 trout numbers were very low after them being incredibly plentiful on my previous trips to the area in 2018, 2016 and 2014. I reckon the total amount of trout I got on that last trip was no more than the average amount I’d get in a single day on the previous trips. I suspected at the time that it would take 4-5 years to recover bit like after the snook kill in 2010 so if it’s come back in less than 3 years that's incredible! 

I'm fishing Sarasota Bay.  I think further south around Ft. Myers they got hit harder.

It certainly seemed so, such a shame as they are one of my favourite species. Really sad to experience them going from being pretty much the most numerous proper sport fish to an occasional capture. For what it’s worth though I didn’t notice a massive drop in snook and reds, just the trout. 

Still it’s got another year to recover for me as don’t think we’ll be able to head over the pond again this year given the continuing circumstances so hopefully I’ll return to a thriving trout population in 2022 🤞🏻

NoreastSalt3295

AnEnglishFisherman said:

Must have been a hell of a quick recovery if so. On my last trip to the Lee county area in 2019 trout numbers were very low after them being incredibly plentiful on my previous trips to the area in 2018, 2016 and 2014. I reckon the total amount of trout I got on that last trip was no more than the average amount I’d get in a single day on the previous trips. I suspected at the time that it would take 4-5 years to recover bit like after the snook kill in 2010 so if it’s come back in less than 3 years that's incredible! 

I'm on the water in fort myers/sanibel almost daily and I've never caught as many keeper and larger sized trout as I've been catching this year. Some spots it is every single cast for hours with most of the fish slot size up well into the 20" range. Lost what would have been my largest ever 2 weeks back. Can easily boat 50 trout in an afternoon this year with good conditions. 
Slot reds have also been very, very plentiful. I still think they should leave them all closed another year or two. If just a few years had this big of an impact, they should be in great shape in another year or two. There's always snapper and other goodies to eat.

AnEnglishFisherman

NoreastSalt3295 said:

AnEnglishFisherman said:

Must have been a hell of a quick recovery if so. On my last trip to the Lee county area in 2019 trout numbers were very low after them being incredibly plentiful on my previous trips to the area in 2018, 2016 and 2014. I reckon the total amount of trout I got on that last trip was no more than the average amount I’d get in a single day on the previous trips. I suspected at the time that it would take 4-5 years to recover bit like after the snook kill in 2010 so if it’s come back in less than 3 years that's incredible! 

I'm on the water in fort myers/sanibel almost daily and I've never caught as many keeper and larger sized trout as I've been catching this year. Some spots it is every single cast for hours with most of the fish slot size up well into the 20" range. Lost what would have been my largest ever 2 weeks back. Can easily boat 50 trout in an afternoon this year with good conditions. 
Slot reds have also been very, very plentiful. I still think they should leave them all closed another year or two. If just a few years had this big of an impact, they should be in great shape in another year or two. There's always snapper and other goodies to eat.

That sounds really promising, certainly an amazing recovery. From the outside looking in I agree that it probably should be closed for another year to allow an even fuller recovery like you say. Especially as this year will likely be another of reduced angling pressure with all that’s going on in the world so that combined with no taking could further accelerate the recovery.

I just hope I’ll be over there catching them again next year. After coming over 6 years on the bounce suddenly stopping coming whilst we’re in the current predicament has just further made me realise how much I love the fishing in your part of the world 😍

Dodger

Does anyone think the snapper and Sheeps are taking a hit during this closure?  I belong to a couple of fishing groups on FB and the guides post nothing but mangroves and BIG sheepshead.  15-20 fish in every picture.  That has to take its toll after a while.

Lostconch

This has been my concern for this whole catch and release season. 1st the guides go and catch and release a bunch of fish then they take the sports to get what they can legally keep. I would like to see the survival rate on all the bigger fish that have hero pictures taken and then are released.

kellercl

About time, IMHO.  Charlotte Harbor is loaded with trout.  I am catching more trout this year (and larger) than any other year in the last 10 years.  

Back on Thanksgiving 2020, I honestly think we caught 50 trout between 15-22 inches.  We were looking for other species but couldn't get away from trout.  Similar to what others have stated, trout every few casts.  I was fishing with my father, we doubled up half the time.  I've never seen trout so loaded up.  Had we been able to keep a few, we probably would have grabbed 4 and went home, leaving the 46 trout alone.  

I don't think regs work out the way FWC believes they do.  

MulletMaster239

Lostconch said:

This has been my concern for this whole catch and release season. 1st the guides go and catch and release a bunch of fish then they take the sports to get what they can legally keep. I would like to see the survival rate on all the bigger fish that have hero pictures taken and then are released.

Lunker lives matter.  I leave all my big snook in the water.  That’s a 7/0 triple strength hook and 100 lb leader for reference.  Looks like a sheepshead hook in that jaw.  Got 6 others so far this year just as big or bigger, I always leave em in the water.  They always thank me for it by visiting me in the fall when they‘ve put on some more weight.

Fisherman007

Nice catch!  Did you catch her on Whitebait?

AnEnglishFisherman

kellercl said:

About time, IMHO.  Charlotte Harbor is loaded with trout.  I am catching more trout this year (and larger) than any other year in the last 10 years.  

Back on Thanksgiving 2020, I honestly think we caught 50 trout between 15-22 inches.  We were looking for other species but couldn't get away from trout.  Similar to what others have stated, trout every few casts.  I was fishing with my father, we doubled up half the time.  I've never seen trout so loaded up.  Had we been able to keep a few, we probably would have grabbed 4 and went home, leaving the 46 trout alone.  

I don't think regs work out the way FWC believes they do.  

Does sound very promising 👍🏻

MulletMaster239

Fisherman007 said:

Nice catch!  Did you catch her on Whitebait?

Got it on a big mullet.

Fisherman007

MulletMaster239 said:

Fisherman007 said:

Nice catch!  Did you catch her on Whitebait?

Got it on a big mullet.

I've been wanting to try that.  Somebody said croaker or mullet on 5/0 hook from the beach.  Gonna try this summer.  I usually use whitebait but don't catch size.

MulletMaster239

Fisherman007 said:

MulletMaster239 said:

Fisherman007 said:

Nice catch!  Did you catch her on Whitebait?

Got it on a big mullet.

I've been wanting to try that.  Somebody said croaker or mullet on 5/0 hook from the beach.  Gonna try this summer.  I usually use whitebait but don't catch size.

Ladyfish is very good also. But snook are weird.  Sometimes it will be a 9 pounder that eats a foot long ladyfish, sometimes a 25-30 plus pounder will suck down a little 3” jig or silver mojarra.  

kellercl

Yeah, I agree with mullet.  Biggest snook I caught was 36 inch on a small mirrordine when I was trout fishing.  Hard to know what a snook will take.  

Fisherman007

They have a presentation slide (below) and it looks like they are going to monitor until May.  They propose several options.  Input from recreational fishermen is that there is too much pressure on these fish.  They may increase the regulations

https://myfwc.com/media/25983/9a-presentation-redtideupdate.pdf

Dodger

You could only keep one red and one snook before right?  How much more can you regulate them?  Maybe change it to one under a certain length?  What does everyone think on trout?  I say 15 inches and 4 bag?  Or slot for trout too?

kellercl

I'm OK with trout being 15 to 20 inches, 2 per person if we want to be super safe.  

Dodger

That sounds like a good plan kellercl.  What was trout before?  I never kept more than 3 anyway.

lukkyracer

Id like to see something like this. I think current slot and season for snook is good. Slot for redfish 22 to 27 inches, and closed mid September to end of October. Trout 16 to 20 inches, open all year, 3 fish limit.

kellercl

Dodger said:

That sounds like a good plan kellercl.  What was trout before?  I never kept more than 3 anyway.

It has changed a lot.  I want to say at some point it was 5 per person, than 4 and maybe 3.  It keeps decreasing, which is fine.  A think a nice 18 inch trout for a single person it about right.  

I would be fine with making the red slot tighter as well.  17 to 23 (or something like that).  

Maybe it is where I fish and the lures I use, but I'm stunned trout is still closed.  I find them absolutely everywhere.  

AlwaysLearningMore

They have already tightened the trout limits during the closure.  As it stands now, when trout reopens the bag limit is decreased from 4 to 3 per person, the slot is now down to 15 to 19 inches (was 15 to 20), and the overslot allowance has been reduced from one per person to one per boat.  They have not made any changes to snook or redfish regulations since the closure. 

Cabowabo72

I fish along the west side of Sarasota Bay and can confirm trout are everywhere and in good size. Caught a few over 25in to. 

lukkyracer

AlwaysLearningMore said:

They have already tightened the trout limits during the closure.  As it stands now, when trout reopens the bag limit is decreased from 4 to 3 per person, the slot is now down to 15 to 19 inches (was 15 to 20), and the overslot allowance has been reduced from one per person to one per boat.  They have not made any changes to 

Keeping a redfish under 22 inches is a complete waste. No meat. As far as all 3 big inshore species go, keep the old regulations and see what we end up with. Same crap, different fisherman.

lukkyracer

Snook, trout and redfish can't put up with the pressure of the regs from the past.

Grey Beard

I used to fish out of Pineland fairly regularly for 3 yrs but had not been back for 2 yrs due to fish kill and regs that didn't allow keeping any. A friend and I fished out of Pineland yesterday and boated 50-60 trout with probably 20> 15" and none over 18" all on plastics. A couple of places a bite every cast for quite a few casts. Had at least 2 trout everywhere we stopped in a 6hr outing. It appears to me the trout have made a nice recovery.

I would vote for 3 per day over 16" but only 1 over 19". 

AnEnglishFisherman

Grey Beard said:

I used to fish out of Pineland fairly regularly for 3 yrs but had not been back for 2 yrs due to fish kill and regs that didn't allow keeping any. A friend and I fished out of Pineland yesterday and boated 50-60 trout with probably 20> 15" and none over 18" all on plastics. A couple of places a bite every cast for quite a few casts. Had at least 2 trout everywhere we stopped in a 6hr outing. It appears to me the trout have made a nice recovery.

That’s great hear, nature really can do amazing things it seemed like they were gone for years! 

This threads making me want to get back over there even more than usual. I don’t know what it is about trout but I love them. Guess it’s partly because we have nothing like grass flat fishing over here so it’s a proper novelty to come over and do it there and trout are obviously the staple of such style of fishing 👍🏻