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ferris1248 said:

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So we did better in 2020 without a vaccine then we are in 2021 with a vaccine?!!?

For a self proclaimed data guy you sure find it easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of those hospitalized were the unvaccinated, and this was also the Delta variant so not apples to apples.

So, in short, your disingenuous observation is a data fail.


 
 

But everybody was unvaccinated last year...   while in 2021 only 50% of the population is unvaccinated.  

Sounds like we still need a plan and effective leadership.

Or you could finally admit that controlling a virus is darn near impossible, thus blaming individuals for outbreaks is just simply wrong.  

Your call, I'm having fun either way.

If only there was a way to memorialize your actual words...

I thought it was obvious I was specifically referencing covid 19.   Sorry I gave you too much credit in ability to follow an argument.

Since you know better than I, what is prediction for when Corona viruses will be eradicated?  

Don't be shy.  Let us hear your prediction.  

Silly me for using the actual words you typed to attempt to ascertain your meaning. I guess science class didn't include the use of the word "a" as opposed to "the" though it's a pretty important distinction. But, keep spinning.

My prediction is the Corona virus will be controlled as soon as the anti-public health, anti-vax, anti-reality forces, and those that intellectually dishonestly defend them simply to be contrarian get with the program and stop taking so much pleasure in harming our community.  

  

On the 6th of January 1777, George Washington wrote to Dr. William Shippen Jr., ordering him to inoculate all of the forces that came through Philadelphia. He explained that: "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army . . . we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy." 

‘All the forces that came through Philadelphia’.  Big difference between that, and forcing every last man woman and child in the country to take an experimental drug.  LOL..you’re getting very desperate. What disorder was he referring to?

 It was. And, you know, the first vaccine mandate law was enacted in the United States in 1809 for smallpox. But the Supreme Court in 1905 in a very famous case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts upheld a Cambridge City law, which required smallpox vaccination. That was something where the Supreme Court said that we don't have a right to place other people at risk. And by 1922, in another case, Justice Brandeis, writing for unanimous court, upheld childhood school mandates, calling it settled law.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/29/1032169566/the-u-s-has-a-long-precedent-for-vaccine-mandates

Come on man! 😆 I didn’t ask you for a copy and paste job.  I only asked which disorder was Washington referring to. So here we go from 1777, to 1809, 1905, 1922 we’re all over the place here LOL.  Also smallpox is more deadly than a politiflu with a 99% survival rate that kills mostly already unhealthy obese and elderly people. As you like to say, ‘your apples are oranges’ 😆

Point still stands.

Vaccine mandates are as old as the republic and have been ruled constitutional over and over.

They are, in fact, as American as apple pie.

You do like apple pie, don't you, or is that submission as well?

So you are cool with slaves too?  Cause George Washington had them too. 

Show me a vaccine, one that actually prevents you from spreading a disease and is proven over the long run to be safe and I'll consider... but in the meantime, I wont be supporting your choice to buy slaves.

Interesting isn’t it, the same crowd who refers to the founders as oppressive slavers, evil white men who founded the country on ‘white supremacy’ claim the constitution is ‘outdated and archaic, doesn’t apply today’, rally for bigger government and more taxes which the founders were against, are now all the sudden champions of George Washington because he wanted his troops inoculated and equate that to nationwide vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate. The constitution they hate is now valid because vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate are deemed ‘constitutional’ (according to them). The mental gymnastics of Woke Religionism 🍿😆👍

That's hysterical. 

How so? And what about obsessively demanding the entire country regardless of health and antibody status be injected with an experimental drug over a glorified flu that mostly kills obese and elderly? Referring to those who don’t comply as ‘deliberately trying to harm or kill others’ is that hysterical? 

Hey now....I'm just using y'alls own word to describe things. I thought you'd be happy. Over the last 12 months or so you, BB, Treeman and others have obsessively used the word. Seems like y'all are the hysterical ones. I'm trying to use the word "woke" as that's another of your buzzwords. I haven't got there yet but I will. 

(By the way I don't agree with BT and his crowd either. Y'all will all try to destroy this country if you can't get your way.)

Well, to be fair I prefer to use ‘outrage’ most of the time 😆  The hardcore vaccine mongers nationwide have indeed become hysterical, and outraged.  I was just pointing out how many members of that crowd often downgrade the founders as ‘racist, sexist, every other anti-woke type of ‘ist’, now use one of them as an example of ‘vaccine mandates being as old as the republic’ which isn’t exactly an accurate statement either (meanwhile accusing others of spreading misinformation 😆). Which I find funny.  If I were truly hysterical I wouldn’t find any of this funny.  I’d be p/o’d. This is Clown World!  Taking Clown World serious is not good for ones overall well-being. 

Honestly we aren’t the hysterical ones, we aren’t trying to dictate how others live their lives, we are not fear mongering over an over-sensationalized and highly politicized virus, digging the internet for social media covid sagas and snickering over the deaths of those who do not conform to our will, celebrating people losing their jobs after risking themselves during the time when there was no virtue serum to mandate, basically calling others murderers for not taking the experimental.  That is hysteria.  Don’t know what else to call it.  I may be repetitive but I really can’t dedicate too much effort.  Because I’m already spending so much effort to try and deliberately harm and kill people apparently 😆

Clown World.........that's another one. 

You need to take a page out of conchy's book and stop paying so much attention to social media.

But the only things I ever see from social media  are the twitter and Facebook covid sagas that were copied and pasted here, and the medical expertise from Reddit Healthcare System.  I’m not woke enough for social media, would likely be banned within 10 posts.  The thought police would have their knee on my neck before you could say Fentanyl Floyd.

Those other catchphrases are yesterday’s news though.  ‘Achieved compliance’ is my new go-to pitch.

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Bimini_Twisted said:

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Very small risk, rare adverse reactions, bla, bla, bla ...
But meantime they have paused it 

You too can now get your information from the very best sources, just like BB.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-italy

???
I was referring at Moderna experimental drug paused for young males in Northern Europe, obviously…

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2amigo said:

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And in related news:

Anti-vaccine chiropractors rising force of misinformation

https://apnews.com/article/anti-virus-chiropractors-rising-force-misinformation-02b347767b45cab1d6d532be03c57529

I'm glad we don't have any like that around here.

If you are being sarcastic and referring to me, you don’t read and just post. I suggest you go back and read what I said when replying to BT’s question about suggesting or asking about vaccines to my patients. I’m not anti vax at all. I’m pro natural immunity. But you keep on Tarping.  😂It’s what you do best and I would expect nothing less.  Oh and when it comes to the immune system, I’m smarter than you.😂

I was not being sarcastic nor was I referring to you, immune system adjuster.  

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So we did better in 2020 without a vaccine then we are in 2021 with a vaccine?!!?

For a self proclaimed data guy you sure find it easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of those hospitalized were the unvaccinated, and this was also the Delta variant so not apples to apples.

So, in short, your disingenuous observation is a data fail.


 
 

But everybody was unvaccinated last year...   while in 2021 only 50% of the population is unvaccinated.  

Sounds like we still need a plan and effective leadership.

Or you could finally admit that controlling a virus is darn near impossible, thus blaming individuals for outbreaks is just simply wrong.  

Your call, I'm having fun either way.

If only there was a way to memorialize your actual words...

I thought it was obvious I was specifically referencing covid 19.   Sorry I gave you too much credit in ability to follow an argument.

Since you know better than I, what is prediction for when Corona viruses will be eradicated?  

Don't be shy.  Let us hear your prediction.  

Silly me for using the actual words you typed to attempt to ascertain your meaning. I guess science class didn't include the use of the word "a" as opposed to "the" though it's a pretty important distinction. But, keep spinning.

My prediction is the Corona virus will be controlled as soon as the anti-public health, anti-vax, anti-reality forces, and those that intellectually dishonestly defend them simply to be contrarian get with the program and stop taking so much pleasure in harming our community.  

  

On the 6th of January 1777, George Washington wrote to Dr. William Shippen Jr., ordering him to inoculate all of the forces that came through Philadelphia. He explained that: "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army . . . we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy." 

‘All the forces that came through Philadelphia’.  Big difference between that, and forcing every last man woman and child in the country to take an experimental drug.  LOL..you’re getting very desperate. What disorder was he referring to?

 It was. And, you know, the first vaccine mandate law was enacted in the United States in 1809 for smallpox. But the Supreme Court in 1905 in a very famous case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts upheld a Cambridge City law, which required smallpox vaccination. That was something where the Supreme Court said that we don't have a right to place other people at risk. And by 1922, in another case, Justice Brandeis, writing for unanimous court, upheld childhood school mandates, calling it settled law.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/29/1032169566/the-u-s-has-a-long-precedent-for-vaccine-mandates

Come on man! 😆 I didn’t ask you for a copy and paste job.  I only asked which disorder was Washington referring to. So here we go from 1777, to 1809, 1905, 1922 we’re all over the place here LOL.  Also smallpox is more deadly than a politiflu with a 99% survival rate that kills mostly already unhealthy obese and elderly people. As you like to say, ‘your apples are oranges’ 😆

Point still stands.

Vaccine mandates are as old as the republic and have been ruled constitutional over and over.

They are, in fact, as American as apple pie.

You do like apple pie, don't you, or is that submission as well?

So you are cool with slaves too?  Cause George Washington had them too. 

Show me a vaccine, one that actually prevents you from spreading a disease and is proven over the long run to be safe and I'll consider... but in the meantime, I wont be supporting your choice to buy slaves.

Interesting isn’t it, the same crowd who refers to the founders as oppressive slavers, evil white men who founded the country on ‘white supremacy’ claim the constitution is ‘outdated and archaic, doesn’t apply today’, rally for bigger government and more taxes which the founders were against, are now all the sudden champions of George Washington because he wanted his troops inoculated and equate that to nationwide vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate. The constitution they hate is now valid because vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate are deemed ‘constitutional’ (according to them). The mental gymnastics of Woke Religionism 🍿😆👍

That's hysterical. 

How so? And what about obsessively demanding the entire country regardless of health and antibody status be injected with an experimental drug over a glorified flu that mostly kills obese and elderly? Referring to those who don’t comply as ‘deliberately trying to harm or kill others’ is that hysterical? 

Hey now....I'm just using y'alls own word to describe things. I thought you'd be happy. Over the last 12 months or so you, BB, Treeman and others have obsessively used the word. Seems like y'all are the hysterical ones. I'm trying to use the word "woke" as that's another of your buzzwords. I haven't got there yet but I will. 

(By the way I don't agree with BT and his crowd either. Y'all will all try to destroy this country if you can't get your way.)

Well, to be fair I prefer to use ‘outrage’ most of the time 😆  The hardcore vaccine mongers nationwide have indeed become hysterical, and outraged.  I was just pointing out how many members of that crowd often downgrade the founders as ‘racist, sexist, every other anti-woke type of ‘ist’, now use one of them as an example of ‘vaccine mandates being as old as the republic’ which isn’t exactly an accurate statement either (meanwhile accusing others of spreading misinformation 😆). Which I find funny.  If I were truly hysterical I wouldn’t find any of this funny.  I’d be p/o’d. This is Clown World!  Taking Clown World serious is not good for ones overall well-being. 

Honestly we aren’t the hysterical ones, we aren’t trying to dictate how others live their lives, we are not fear mongering over an over-sensationalized and highly politicized virus, digging the internet for social media covid sagas and snickering over the deaths of those who do not conform to our will, celebrating people losing their jobs after risking themselves during the time when there was no virtue serum to mandate, basically calling others murderers for not taking the experimental.  That is hysteria.  Don’t know what else to call it.  I may be repetitive but I really can’t dedicate too much effort.  Because I’m already spending so much effort to try and deliberately harm and kill people apparently 😆

Clown World.........that's another one. 

You need to take a page out of conchy's book and stop paying so much attention to social media.

But the only things I ever see from social media  are the twitter and Facebook covid sagas that were copied and pasted here, and the medical expertise from Reddit Healthcare System.  I’m not woke enough for social media, would likely be banned within 10 posts.  The thought police would have their knee on my neck before you could say Fentanyl Floyd.

Those other catchphrases are yesterday’s news though.  ‘Achieved compliance’ is my new go-to pitch.

One is free to do one's part to purposely harm public health by spreading misinformation and doing all one can to prevent the community from benefiting from science and medicine, but one is not free from the ramifications of those activities.

It's been that way since man first walked upright and formed tribes, and that's the way it is now.

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ferris1248 said:

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Big Battery said:

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kellercl said:

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kellercl said:

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kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

So we did better in 2020 without a vaccine then we are in 2021 with a vaccine?!!?

For a self proclaimed data guy you sure find it easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of those hospitalized were the unvaccinated, and this was also the Delta variant so not apples to apples.

So, in short, your disingenuous observation is a data fail.


 
 

But everybody was unvaccinated last year...   while in 2021 only 50% of the population is unvaccinated.  

Sounds like we still need a plan and effective leadership.

Or you could finally admit that controlling a virus is darn near impossible, thus blaming individuals for outbreaks is just simply wrong.  

Your call, I'm having fun either way.

If only there was a way to memorialize your actual words...

I thought it was obvious I was specifically referencing covid 19.   Sorry I gave you too much credit in ability to follow an argument.

Since you know better than I, what is prediction for when Corona viruses will be eradicated?  

Don't be shy.  Let us hear your prediction.  

Silly me for using the actual words you typed to attempt to ascertain your meaning. I guess science class didn't include the use of the word "a" as opposed to "the" though it's a pretty important distinction. But, keep spinning.

My prediction is the Corona virus will be controlled as soon as the anti-public health, anti-vax, anti-reality forces, and those that intellectually dishonestly defend them simply to be contrarian get with the program and stop taking so much pleasure in harming our community.  

  

On the 6th of January 1777, George Washington wrote to Dr. William Shippen Jr., ordering him to inoculate all of the forces that came through Philadelphia. He explained that: "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army . . . we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy." 

‘All the forces that came through Philadelphia’.  Big difference between that, and forcing every last man woman and child in the country to take an experimental drug.  LOL..you’re getting very desperate. What disorder was he referring to?

 It was. And, you know, the first vaccine mandate law was enacted in the United States in 1809 for smallpox. But the Supreme Court in 1905 in a very famous case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts upheld a Cambridge City law, which required smallpox vaccination. That was something where the Supreme Court said that we don't have a right to place other people at risk. And by 1922, in another case, Justice Brandeis, writing for unanimous court, upheld childhood school mandates, calling it settled law.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/29/1032169566/the-u-s-has-a-long-precedent-for-vaccine-mandates

Come on man! 😆 I didn’t ask you for a copy and paste job.  I only asked which disorder was Washington referring to. So here we go from 1777, to 1809, 1905, 1922 we’re all over the place here LOL.  Also smallpox is more deadly than a politiflu with a 99% survival rate that kills mostly already unhealthy obese and elderly people. As you like to say, ‘your apples are oranges’ 😆

Point still stands.

Vaccine mandates are as old as the republic and have been ruled constitutional over and over.

They are, in fact, as American as apple pie.

You do like apple pie, don't you, or is that submission as well?

So you are cool with slaves too?  Cause George Washington had them too. 

Show me a vaccine, one that actually prevents you from spreading a disease and is proven over the long run to be safe and I'll consider... but in the meantime, I wont be supporting your choice to buy slaves.

Interesting isn’t it, the same crowd who refers to the founders as oppressive slavers, evil white men who founded the country on ‘white supremacy’ claim the constitution is ‘outdated and archaic, doesn’t apply today’, rally for bigger government and more taxes which the founders were against, are now all the sudden champions of George Washington because he wanted his troops inoculated and equate that to nationwide vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate. The constitution they hate is now valid because vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate are deemed ‘constitutional’ (according to them). The mental gymnastics of Woke Religionism 🍿😆👍

That's hysterical. 

How so? And what about obsessively demanding the entire country regardless of health and antibody status be injected with an experimental drug over a glorified flu that mostly kills obese and elderly? Referring to those who don’t comply as ‘deliberately trying to harm or kill others’ is that hysterical? 

Or, in other words, public health...

Public health? You mean like ‘free Krispy Kreme with your covid shot’? 😆

It isn’t about public health at all.  What it all boils down to is that you subscribe to a narrative, and want to be right, or at least seen as right and for people to conform to your views and your will. ‘Achieved compliance’ is the name of the game.  

Many of the public weren’t healthy long before this saga came about.  Now all the sudden public health matters. Okay 😆

Don't worry we are currently changing the bulbs in streetlights with black lights, and we're going to use the black lights to tell who's vaccinated or not.

Cool story bro. Just don’t think you’re fooling anyone, you and likeminded radicals don’t care about public health.  You all only care about public obedience to the narrative you subscribe to.  You made that very clear by how triggered you get over horse paste or other things being used as alternatives to the virtue serum. If an alternative route works for someone, you’d  belittle them for It, because things were not done your way.  

Is there ever any infighting amongst you all over which brand of virtue serum is better?  Are there ever any squabbles between the Pfizersees and the Modernanites?  

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ferris1248 said:

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kellercl said:

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kellercl said:

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kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

So we did better in 2020 without a vaccine then we are in 2021 with a vaccine?!!?

For a self proclaimed data guy you sure find it easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of those hospitalized were the unvaccinated, and this was also the Delta variant so not apples to apples.

So, in short, your disingenuous observation is a data fail.


 
 

But everybody was unvaccinated last year...   while in 2021 only 50% of the population is unvaccinated.  

Sounds like we still need a plan and effective leadership.

Or you could finally admit that controlling a virus is darn near impossible, thus blaming individuals for outbreaks is just simply wrong.  

Your call, I'm having fun either way.

If only there was a way to memorialize your actual words...

I thought it was obvious I was specifically referencing covid 19.   Sorry I gave you too much credit in ability to follow an argument.

Since you know better than I, what is prediction for when Corona viruses will be eradicated?  

Don't be shy.  Let us hear your prediction.  

Silly me for using the actual words you typed to attempt to ascertain your meaning. I guess science class didn't include the use of the word "a" as opposed to "the" though it's a pretty important distinction. But, keep spinning.

My prediction is the Corona virus will be controlled as soon as the anti-public health, anti-vax, anti-reality forces, and those that intellectually dishonestly defend them simply to be contrarian get with the program and stop taking so much pleasure in harming our community.  

  

On the 6th of January 1777, George Washington wrote to Dr. William Shippen Jr., ordering him to inoculate all of the forces that came through Philadelphia. He explained that: "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army . . . we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy." 

‘All the forces that came through Philadelphia’.  Big difference between that, and forcing every last man woman and child in the country to take an experimental drug.  LOL..you’re getting very desperate. What disorder was he referring to?

 It was. And, you know, the first vaccine mandate law was enacted in the United States in 1809 for smallpox. But the Supreme Court in 1905 in a very famous case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts upheld a Cambridge City law, which required smallpox vaccination. That was something where the Supreme Court said that we don't have a right to place other people at risk. And by 1922, in another case, Justice Brandeis, writing for unanimous court, upheld childhood school mandates, calling it settled law.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/29/1032169566/the-u-s-has-a-long-precedent-for-vaccine-mandates

Come on man! 😆 I didn’t ask you for a copy and paste job.  I only asked which disorder was Washington referring to. So here we go from 1777, to 1809, 1905, 1922 we’re all over the place here LOL.  Also smallpox is more deadly than a politiflu with a 99% survival rate that kills mostly already unhealthy obese and elderly people. As you like to say, ‘your apples are oranges’ 😆

Point still stands.

Vaccine mandates are as old as the republic and have been ruled constitutional over and over.

They are, in fact, as American as apple pie.

You do like apple pie, don't you, or is that submission as well?

So you are cool with slaves too?  Cause George Washington had them too. 

Show me a vaccine, one that actually prevents you from spreading a disease and is proven over the long run to be safe and I'll consider... but in the meantime, I wont be supporting your choice to buy slaves.

Interesting isn’t it, the same crowd who refers to the founders as oppressive slavers, evil white men who founded the country on ‘white supremacy’ claim the constitution is ‘outdated and archaic, doesn’t apply today’, rally for bigger government and more taxes which the founders were against, are now all the sudden champions of George Washington because he wanted his troops inoculated and equate that to nationwide vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate. The constitution they hate is now valid because vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate are deemed ‘constitutional’ (according to them). The mental gymnastics of Woke Religionism 🍿😆👍

That's hysterical. 

How so? And what about obsessively demanding the entire country regardless of health and antibody status be injected with an experimental drug over a glorified flu that mostly kills obese and elderly? Referring to those who don’t comply as ‘deliberately trying to harm or kill others’ is that hysterical? 

Hey now....I'm just using y'alls own word to describe things. I thought you'd be happy. Over the last 12 months or so you, BB, Treeman and others have obsessively used the word. Seems like y'all are the hysterical ones. I'm trying to use the word "woke" as that's another of your buzzwords. I haven't got there yet but I will. 

(By the way I don't agree with BT and his crowd either. Y'all will all try to destroy this country if you can't get your way.)

Well, to be fair I prefer to use ‘outrage’ most of the time 😆  The hardcore vaccine mongers nationwide have indeed become hysterical, and outraged.  I was just pointing out how many members of that crowd often downgrade the founders as ‘racist, sexist, every other anti-woke type of ‘ist’, now use one of them as an example of ‘vaccine mandates being as old as the republic’ which isn’t exactly an accurate statement either (meanwhile accusing others of spreading misinformation 😆). Which I find funny.  If I were truly hysterical I wouldn’t find any of this funny.  I’d be p/o’d. This is Clown World!  Taking Clown World serious is not good for ones overall well-being. 

Honestly we aren’t the hysterical ones, we aren’t trying to dictate how others live their lives, we are not fear mongering over an over-sensationalized and highly politicized virus, digging the internet for social media covid sagas and snickering over the deaths of those who do not conform to our will, celebrating people losing their jobs after risking themselves during the time when there was no virtue serum to mandate, basically calling others murderers for not taking the experimental.  That is hysteria.  Don’t know what else to call it.  I may be repetitive but I really can’t dedicate too much effort.  Because I’m already spending so much effort to try and deliberately harm and kill people apparently 😆

Clown World.........that's another one. 

You need to take a page out of conchy's book and stop paying so much attention to social media.

But the only things I ever see from social media  are the twitter and Facebook covid sagas that were copied and pasted here, and the medical expertise from Reddit Healthcare System.  I’m not woke enough for social media, would likely be banned within 10 posts.  The thought police would have their knee on my neck before you could say Fentanyl Floyd.

Those other catchphrases are yesterday’s news though.  ‘Achieved compliance’ is my new go-to pitch.

One is free to do one's part to purposely harm public health by spreading misinformation and doing all one can to prevent the community from benefiting from science and medicine, but one is not free from the ramifications of those activities.

It's been that way since man first walked upright and formed tribes, and that's the way it is now.

Spreading misinformation? You mean like articles with fudged ‘achieved compliance’ numbers that do not account for those who were fired, only those who quit? Misinformation like ‘muh vaccine mandates are as old as the republic’? Misinformation like ‘the vaccine hasn’t harmed anyone’?  ‘350,000,000 Americans have been vaccinated’.  ‘People who have the shots do not get covid’ 😆😂😆

Do these ramifications you speak of still apply in those cases?  Or is it ‘anything goes’ when it backs the narrative?

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kellercl said:

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kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

So we did better in 2020 without a vaccine then we are in 2021 with a vaccine?!!?

For a self proclaimed data guy you sure find it easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of those hospitalized were the unvaccinated, and this was also the Delta variant so not apples to apples.

So, in short, your disingenuous observation is a data fail.


 
 

But everybody was unvaccinated last year...   while in 2021 only 50% of the population is unvaccinated.  

Sounds like we still need a plan and effective leadership.

Or you could finally admit that controlling a virus is darn near impossible, thus blaming individuals for outbreaks is just simply wrong.  

Your call, I'm having fun either way.

If only there was a way to memorialize your actual words...

I thought it was obvious I was specifically referencing covid 19.   Sorry I gave you too much credit in ability to follow an argument.

Since you know better than I, what is prediction for when Corona viruses will be eradicated?  

Don't be shy.  Let us hear your prediction.  

Silly me for using the actual words you typed to attempt to ascertain your meaning. I guess science class didn't include the use of the word "a" as opposed to "the" though it's a pretty important distinction. But, keep spinning.

My prediction is the Corona virus will be controlled as soon as the anti-public health, anti-vax, anti-reality forces, and those that intellectually dishonestly defend them simply to be contrarian get with the program and stop taking so much pleasure in harming our community.  

  

On the 6th of January 1777, George Washington wrote to Dr. William Shippen Jr., ordering him to inoculate all of the forces that came through Philadelphia. He explained that: "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army . . . we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy." 

‘All the forces that came through Philadelphia’.  Big difference between that, and forcing every last man woman and child in the country to take an experimental drug.  LOL..you’re getting very desperate. What disorder was he referring to?

 It was. And, you know, the first vaccine mandate law was enacted in the United States in 1809 for smallpox. But the Supreme Court in 1905 in a very famous case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts upheld a Cambridge City law, which required smallpox vaccination. That was something where the Supreme Court said that we don't have a right to place other people at risk. And by 1922, in another case, Justice Brandeis, writing for unanimous court, upheld childhood school mandates, calling it settled law.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/29/1032169566/the-u-s-has-a-long-precedent-for-vaccine-mandates

Come on man! 😆 I didn’t ask you for a copy and paste job.  I only asked which disorder was Washington referring to. So here we go from 1777, to 1809, 1905, 1922 we’re all over the place here LOL.  Also smallpox is more deadly than a politiflu with a 99% survival rate that kills mostly already unhealthy obese and elderly people. As you like to say, ‘your apples are oranges’ 😆

Point still stands.

Vaccine mandates are as old as the republic and have been ruled constitutional over and over.

They are, in fact, as American as apple pie.

You do like apple pie, don't you, or is that submission as well?

So you are cool with slaves too?  Cause George Washington had them too. 

Show me a vaccine, one that actually prevents you from spreading a disease and is proven over the long run to be safe and I'll consider... but in the meantime, I wont be supporting your choice to buy slaves.

Interesting isn’t it, the same crowd who refers to the founders as oppressive slavers, evil white men who founded the country on ‘white supremacy’ claim the constitution is ‘outdated and archaic, doesn’t apply today’, rally for bigger government and more taxes which the founders were against, are now all the sudden champions of George Washington because he wanted his troops inoculated and equate that to nationwide vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate. The constitution they hate is now valid because vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate are deemed ‘constitutional’ (according to them). The mental gymnastics of Woke Religionism 🍿😆👍

That's hysterical. 

How so? And what about obsessively demanding the entire country regardless of health and antibody status be injected with an experimental drug over a glorified flu that mostly kills obese and elderly? Referring to those who don’t comply as ‘deliberately trying to harm or kill others’ is that hysterical? 

Hey now....I'm just using y'alls own word to describe things. I thought you'd be happy. Over the last 12 months or so you, BB, Treeman and others have obsessively used the word. Seems like y'all are the hysterical ones. I'm trying to use the word "woke" as that's another of your buzzwords. I haven't got there yet but I will. 

(By the way I don't agree with BT and his crowd either. Y'all will all try to destroy this country if you can't get your way.)

Well, to be fair I prefer to use ‘outrage’ most of the time 😆  The hardcore vaccine mongers nationwide have indeed become hysterical, and outraged.  I was just pointing out how many members of that crowd often downgrade the founders as ‘racist, sexist, every other anti-woke type of ‘ist’, now use one of them as an example of ‘vaccine mandates being as old as the republic’ which isn’t exactly an accurate statement either (meanwhile accusing others of spreading misinformation 😆). Which I find funny.  If I were truly hysterical I wouldn’t find any of this funny.  I’d be p/o’d. This is Clown World!  Taking Clown World serious is not good for ones overall well-being. 

Honestly we aren’t the hysterical ones, we aren’t trying to dictate how others live their lives, we are not fear mongering over an over-sensationalized and highly politicized virus, digging the internet for social media covid sagas and snickering over the deaths of those who do not conform to our will, celebrating people losing their jobs after risking themselves during the time when there was no virtue serum to mandate, basically calling others murderers for not taking the experimental.  That is hysteria.  Don’t know what else to call it.  I may be repetitive but I really can’t dedicate too much effort.  Because I’m already spending so much effort to try and deliberately harm and kill people apparently 😆

Clown World.........that's another one. 

You need to take a page out of conchy's book and stop paying so much attention to social media.

But the only things I ever see from social media  are the twitter and Facebook covid sagas that were copied and pasted here, and the medical expertise from Reddit Healthcare System.  I’m not woke enough for social media, would likely be banned within 10 posts.  The thought police would have their knee on my neck before you could say Fentanyl Floyd.

Those other catchphrases are yesterday’s news though.  ‘Achieved compliance’ is my new go-to pitch.

One is free to do one's part to purposely harm public health by spreading misinformation and doing all one can to prevent the community from benefiting from science and medicine, but one is not free from the ramifications of those activities.

It's been that way since man first walked upright and formed tribes, and that's the way it is now.

Spreading misinformation? You mean like articles with fudged ‘achieved compliance’ numbers that do not account for those who were fired, only those who quit? Misinformation like ‘muh vaccine mandates are as old as the republic’? Misinformation like ‘the vaccine hasn’t harmed anyone’?  ‘350,000,000 Americans have been vaccinated’.  ‘People who have the shots do not get covid’ 😆😂😆

Do these ramifications you speak of still apply in those cases?  Or is it ‘anything goes’ when it backs the narrative?

One is welcome to live displaced beyond the pale as an outcast.

cadman

Bimini_Twisted said:

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Bimini_Twisted said:

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ferris1248 said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

Big Battery said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

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Bimini_Twisted said:

kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

So we did better in 2020 without a vaccine then we are in 2021 with a vaccine?!!?

For a self proclaimed data guy you sure find it easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of those hospitalized were the unvaccinated, and this was also the Delta variant so not apples to apples.

So, in short, your disingenuous observation is a data fail.


 
 

But everybody was unvaccinated last year...   while in 2021 only 50% of the population is unvaccinated.  

Sounds like we still need a plan and effective leadership.

Or you could finally admit that controlling a virus is darn near impossible, thus blaming individuals for outbreaks is just simply wrong.  

Your call, I'm having fun either way.

If only there was a way to memorialize your actual words...

I thought it was obvious I was specifically referencing covid 19.   Sorry I gave you too much credit in ability to follow an argument.

Since you know better than I, what is prediction for when Corona viruses will be eradicated?  

Don't be shy.  Let us hear your prediction.  

Silly me for using the actual words you typed to attempt to ascertain your meaning. I guess science class didn't include the use of the word "a" as opposed to "the" though it's a pretty important distinction. But, keep spinning.

My prediction is the Corona virus will be controlled as soon as the anti-public health, anti-vax, anti-reality forces, and those that intellectually dishonestly defend them simply to be contrarian get with the program and stop taking so much pleasure in harming our community.  

  

On the 6th of January 1777, George Washington wrote to Dr. William Shippen Jr., ordering him to inoculate all of the forces that came through Philadelphia. He explained that: "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army . . . we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy." 

‘All the forces that came through Philadelphia’.  Big difference between that, and forcing every last man woman and child in the country to take an experimental drug.  LOL..you’re getting very desperate. What disorder was he referring to?

 It was. And, you know, the first vaccine mandate law was enacted in the United States in 1809 for smallpox. But the Supreme Court in 1905 in a very famous case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts upheld a Cambridge City law, which required smallpox vaccination. That was something where the Supreme Court said that we don't have a right to place other people at risk. And by 1922, in another case, Justice Brandeis, writing for unanimous court, upheld childhood school mandates, calling it settled law.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/29/1032169566/the-u-s-has-a-long-precedent-for-vaccine-mandates

Come on man! 😆 I didn’t ask you for a copy and paste job.  I only asked which disorder was Washington referring to. So here we go from 1777, to 1809, 1905, 1922 we’re all over the place here LOL.  Also smallpox is more deadly than a politiflu with a 99% survival rate that kills mostly already unhealthy obese and elderly people. As you like to say, ‘your apples are oranges’ 😆

Point still stands.

Vaccine mandates are as old as the republic and have been ruled constitutional over and over.

They are, in fact, as American as apple pie.

You do like apple pie, don't you, or is that submission as well?

So you are cool with slaves too?  Cause George Washington had them too. 

Show me a vaccine, one that actually prevents you from spreading a disease and is proven over the long run to be safe and I'll consider... but in the meantime, I wont be supporting your choice to buy slaves.

Interesting isn’t it, the same crowd who refers to the founders as oppressive slavers, evil white men who founded the country on ‘white supremacy’ claim the constitution is ‘outdated and archaic, doesn’t apply today’, rally for bigger government and more taxes which the founders were against, are now all the sudden champions of George Washington because he wanted his troops inoculated and equate that to nationwide vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate. The constitution they hate is now valid because vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate are deemed ‘constitutional’ (according to them). The mental gymnastics of Woke Religionism 🍿😆👍

That's hysterical. 

How so? And what about obsessively demanding the entire country regardless of health and antibody status be injected with an experimental drug over a glorified flu that mostly kills obese and elderly? Referring to those who don’t comply as ‘deliberately trying to harm or kill others’ is that hysterical? 

Or, in other words, public health...

Public health? You mean like ‘free Krispy Kreme with your covid shot’? 😆

It isn’t about public health at all.  What it all boils down to is that you subscribe to a narrative, and want to be right, or at least seen as right and for people to conform to your views and your will. ‘Achieved compliance’ is the name of the game.  

Many of the public weren’t healthy long before this saga came about.  Now all the sudden public health matters. Okay 😆

Don't worry we are currently changing the bulbs in streetlights with black lights, and we're going to use the black lights to tell who's vaccinated or not.

BT, you are spilling all the secrets, next you will be telling them about the space lasers. 

supratentorial

Bimini_Twisted said:

BallaCoiPersici said:

Very small risk, rare adverse reactions, bla, bla, bla ...
But meantime they have paused it 

You too can now get your information from the very best sources, just like BB.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-italy

 If you're salty about the source, you can find the same story on AP, Bloomberg, Reuters, ABC, Al Jazeera, etc.
The health agencies of those countries have made unequivocal statements.

Bimini_Twisted

supratentorial said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

BallaCoiPersici said:

Very small risk, rare adverse reactions, bla, bla, bla ...
But meantime they have paused it 

You too can now get your information from the very best sources, just like BB.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-italy

 If you're salty about the source, you can find the same story on AP, Bloomberg, Reuters, ABC, Al Jazeera, etc.
The health agencies of those countries have made unequivocal statements.

Like this one?

You seem to have an odd definition of unequivocal.

Mika Salminen, head of the Finnish health institute, said the Nordic country would instead give the Pfizer vaccine to men born in 1991 and later. Health officials said the decision followed reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect.

“A Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark found that men under the age of 30 who received Moderna Spikevax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing myocarditis,” Salminen said.

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV

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ferris1248 said:

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ferris1248 said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

ferris1248 said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

Big Battery said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

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XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

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Bimini_Twisted said:

kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

So we did better in 2020 without a vaccine then we are in 2021 with a vaccine?!!?

For a self proclaimed data guy you sure find it easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of those hospitalized were the unvaccinated, and this was also the Delta variant so not apples to apples.

So, in short, your disingenuous observation is a data fail.


 
 

But everybody was unvaccinated last year...   while in 2021 only 50% of the population is unvaccinated.  

Sounds like we still need a plan and effective leadership.

Or you could finally admit that controlling a virus is darn near impossible, thus blaming individuals for outbreaks is just simply wrong.  

Your call, I'm having fun either way.

If only there was a way to memorialize your actual words...

I thought it was obvious I was specifically referencing covid 19.   Sorry I gave you too much credit in ability to follow an argument.

Since you know better than I, what is prediction for when Corona viruses will be eradicated?  

Don't be shy.  Let us hear your prediction.  

Silly me for using the actual words you typed to attempt to ascertain your meaning. I guess science class didn't include the use of the word "a" as opposed to "the" though it's a pretty important distinction. But, keep spinning.

My prediction is the Corona virus will be controlled as soon as the anti-public health, anti-vax, anti-reality forces, and those that intellectually dishonestly defend them simply to be contrarian get with the program and stop taking so much pleasure in harming our community.  

  

On the 6th of January 1777, George Washington wrote to Dr. William Shippen Jr., ordering him to inoculate all of the forces that came through Philadelphia. He explained that: "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army . . . we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy." 

‘All the forces that came through Philadelphia’.  Big difference between that, and forcing every last man woman and child in the country to take an experimental drug.  LOL..you’re getting very desperate. What disorder was he referring to?

 It was. And, you know, the first vaccine mandate law was enacted in the United States in 1809 for smallpox. But the Supreme Court in 1905 in a very famous case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts upheld a Cambridge City law, which required smallpox vaccination. That was something where the Supreme Court said that we don't have a right to place other people at risk. And by 1922, in another case, Justice Brandeis, writing for unanimous court, upheld childhood school mandates, calling it settled law.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/29/1032169566/the-u-s-has-a-long-precedent-for-vaccine-mandates

Come on man! 😆 I didn’t ask you for a copy and paste job.  I only asked which disorder was Washington referring to. So here we go from 1777, to 1809, 1905, 1922 we’re all over the place here LOL.  Also smallpox is more deadly than a politiflu with a 99% survival rate that kills mostly already unhealthy obese and elderly people. As you like to say, ‘your apples are oranges’ 😆

Point still stands.

Vaccine mandates are as old as the republic and have been ruled constitutional over and over.

They are, in fact, as American as apple pie.

You do like apple pie, don't you, or is that submission as well?

So you are cool with slaves too?  Cause George Washington had them too. 

Show me a vaccine, one that actually prevents you from spreading a disease and is proven over the long run to be safe and I'll consider... but in the meantime, I wont be supporting your choice to buy slaves.

Interesting isn’t it, the same crowd who refers to the founders as oppressive slavers, evil white men who founded the country on ‘white supremacy’ claim the constitution is ‘outdated and archaic, doesn’t apply today’, rally for bigger government and more taxes which the founders were against, are now all the sudden champions of George Washington because he wanted his troops inoculated and equate that to nationwide vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate. The constitution they hate is now valid because vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate are deemed ‘constitutional’ (according to them). The mental gymnastics of Woke Religionism 🍿😆👍

That's hysterical. 

How so? And what about obsessively demanding the entire country regardless of health and antibody status be injected with an experimental drug over a glorified flu that mostly kills obese and elderly? Referring to those who don’t comply as ‘deliberately trying to harm or kill others’ is that hysterical? 

Hey now....I'm just using y'alls own word to describe things. I thought you'd be happy. Over the last 12 months or so you, BB, Treeman and others have obsessively used the word. Seems like y'all are the hysterical ones. I'm trying to use the word "woke" as that's another of your buzzwords. I haven't got there yet but I will. 

(By the way I don't agree with BT and his crowd either. Y'all will all try to destroy this country if you can't get your way.)

Well, to be fair I prefer to use ‘outrage’ most of the time 😆  The hardcore vaccine mongers nationwide have indeed become hysterical, and outraged.  I was just pointing out how many members of that crowd often downgrade the founders as ‘racist, sexist, every other anti-woke type of ‘ist’, now use one of them as an example of ‘vaccine mandates being as old as the republic’ which isn’t exactly an accurate statement either (meanwhile accusing others of spreading misinformation 😆). Which I find funny.  If I were truly hysterical I wouldn’t find any of this funny.  I’d be p/o’d. This is Clown World!  Taking Clown World serious is not good for ones overall well-being. 

Honestly we aren’t the hysterical ones, we aren’t trying to dictate how others live their lives, we are not fear mongering over an over-sensationalized and highly politicized virus, digging the internet for social media covid sagas and snickering over the deaths of those who do not conform to our will, celebrating people losing their jobs after risking themselves during the time when there was no virtue serum to mandate, basically calling others murderers for not taking the experimental.  That is hysteria.  Don’t know what else to call it.  I may be repetitive but I really can’t dedicate too much effort.  Because I’m already spending so much effort to try and deliberately harm and kill people apparently 😆

Clown World.........that's another one. 

You need to take a page out of conchy's book and stop paying so much attention to social media.

But the only things I ever see from social media  are the twitter and Facebook covid sagas that were copied and pasted here, and the medical expertise from Reddit Healthcare System.  I’m not woke enough for social media, would likely be banned within 10 posts.  The thought police would have their knee on my neck before you could say Fentanyl Floyd.

Those other catchphrases are yesterday’s news though.  ‘Achieved compliance’ is my new go-to pitch.

One is free to do one's part to purposely harm public health by spreading misinformation and doing all one can to prevent the community from benefiting from science and medicine, but one is not free from the ramifications of those activities.

It's been that way since man first walked upright and formed tribes, and that's the way it is now.

Spreading misinformation? You mean like articles with fudged ‘achieved compliance’ numbers that do not account for those who were fired, only those who quit? Misinformation like ‘muh vaccine mandates are as old as the republic’? Misinformation like ‘the vaccine hasn’t harmed anyone’?  ‘350,000,000 Americans have been vaccinated’.  ‘People who have the shots do not get covid’ 😆😂😆

Do these ramifications you speak of still apply in those cases?  Or is it ‘anything goes’ when it backs the narrative?

One is welcome to live displaced beyond the pale as an outcast.

No ramifications for that brand of misinformation eh? You’re totally fine with misinformation, so long as it is in accordance with your narrative. Misinformation that backs the narrative is preferable to facts that hurt your feelings.

So follow the propaganda and lies, submit to hysterical authoritarian radicals, or be displaced beyond the pale as an outcast. Shucks, what a tough choice! Hmmm, let me think...But here’s the thing, in reality it is you radicals who are the outcasts.  Normal people just want to get on with their lives and don’t waste them trying to control and manipulate others, while hoping for the downfall of those who do not conform to their precious little feelings.  Sane humans don’t care for the poison of radicals..the outcasts are the ones being chased up mommy’s skirt by parents who prefer education for their children over indoctrination into Woke Religionism.  But don’t ever let reality get you down. Keep courageously living out your own truth! Stay woke fam!

Big Battery

The vaccine cultists will disregard all science that is contrary to their religion.

Bimini_Twisted

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

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Bimini_Twisted said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

ferris1248 said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

ferris1248 said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

ferris1248 said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

Big Battery said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

So we did better in 2020 without a vaccine then we are in 2021 with a vaccine?!!?

For a self proclaimed data guy you sure find it easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of those hospitalized were the unvaccinated, and this was also the Delta variant so not apples to apples.

So, in short, your disingenuous observation is a data fail.


 
 

But everybody was unvaccinated last year...   while in 2021 only 50% of the population is unvaccinated.  

Sounds like we still need a plan and effective leadership.

Or you could finally admit that controlling a virus is darn near impossible, thus blaming individuals for outbreaks is just simply wrong.  

Your call, I'm having fun either way.

If only there was a way to memorialize your actual words...

I thought it was obvious I was specifically referencing covid 19.   Sorry I gave you too much credit in ability to follow an argument.

Since you know better than I, what is prediction for when Corona viruses will be eradicated?  

Don't be shy.  Let us hear your prediction.  

Silly me for using the actual words you typed to attempt to ascertain your meaning. I guess science class didn't include the use of the word "a" as opposed to "the" though it's a pretty important distinction. But, keep spinning.

My prediction is the Corona virus will be controlled as soon as the anti-public health, anti-vax, anti-reality forces, and those that intellectually dishonestly defend them simply to be contrarian get with the program and stop taking so much pleasure in harming our community.  

  

On the 6th of January 1777, George Washington wrote to Dr. William Shippen Jr., ordering him to inoculate all of the forces that came through Philadelphia. He explained that: "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army . . . we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy." 

‘All the forces that came through Philadelphia’.  Big difference between that, and forcing every last man woman and child in the country to take an experimental drug.  LOL..you’re getting very desperate. What disorder was he referring to?

 It was. And, you know, the first vaccine mandate law was enacted in the United States in 1809 for smallpox. But the Supreme Court in 1905 in a very famous case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts upheld a Cambridge City law, which required smallpox vaccination. That was something where the Supreme Court said that we don't have a right to place other people at risk. And by 1922, in another case, Justice Brandeis, writing for unanimous court, upheld childhood school mandates, calling it settled law.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/29/1032169566/the-u-s-has-a-long-precedent-for-vaccine-mandates

Come on man! 😆 I didn’t ask you for a copy and paste job.  I only asked which disorder was Washington referring to. So here we go from 1777, to 1809, 1905, 1922 we’re all over the place here LOL.  Also smallpox is more deadly than a politiflu with a 99% survival rate that kills mostly already unhealthy obese and elderly people. As you like to say, ‘your apples are oranges’ 😆

Point still stands.

Vaccine mandates are as old as the republic and have been ruled constitutional over and over.

They are, in fact, as American as apple pie.

You do like apple pie, don't you, or is that submission as well?

So you are cool with slaves too?  Cause George Washington had them too. 

Show me a vaccine, one that actually prevents you from spreading a disease and is proven over the long run to be safe and I'll consider... but in the meantime, I wont be supporting your choice to buy slaves.

Interesting isn’t it, the same crowd who refers to the founders as oppressive slavers, evil white men who founded the country on ‘white supremacy’ claim the constitution is ‘outdated and archaic, doesn’t apply today’, rally for bigger government and more taxes which the founders were against, are now all the sudden champions of George Washington because he wanted his troops inoculated and equate that to nationwide vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate. The constitution they hate is now valid because vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate are deemed ‘constitutional’ (according to them). The mental gymnastics of Woke Religionism 🍿😆👍

That's hysterical. 

How so? And what about obsessively demanding the entire country regardless of health and antibody status be injected with an experimental drug over a glorified flu that mostly kills obese and elderly? Referring to those who don’t comply as ‘deliberately trying to harm or kill others’ is that hysterical? 

Hey now....I'm just using y'alls own word to describe things. I thought you'd be happy. Over the last 12 months or so you, BB, Treeman and others have obsessively used the word. Seems like y'all are the hysterical ones. I'm trying to use the word "woke" as that's another of your buzzwords. I haven't got there yet but I will. 

(By the way I don't agree with BT and his crowd either. Y'all will all try to destroy this country if you can't get your way.)

Well, to be fair I prefer to use ‘outrage’ most of the time 😆  The hardcore vaccine mongers nationwide have indeed become hysterical, and outraged.  I was just pointing out how many members of that crowd often downgrade the founders as ‘racist, sexist, every other anti-woke type of ‘ist’, now use one of them as an example of ‘vaccine mandates being as old as the republic’ which isn’t exactly an accurate statement either (meanwhile accusing others of spreading misinformation 😆). Which I find funny.  If I were truly hysterical I wouldn’t find any of this funny.  I’d be p/o’d. This is Clown World!  Taking Clown World serious is not good for ones overall well-being. 

Honestly we aren’t the hysterical ones, we aren’t trying to dictate how others live their lives, we are not fear mongering over an over-sensationalized and highly politicized virus, digging the internet for social media covid sagas and snickering over the deaths of those who do not conform to our will, celebrating people losing their jobs after risking themselves during the time when there was no virtue serum to mandate, basically calling others murderers for not taking the experimental.  That is hysteria.  Don’t know what else to call it.  I may be repetitive but I really can’t dedicate too much effort.  Because I’m already spending so much effort to try and deliberately harm and kill people apparently 😆

Clown World.........that's another one. 

You need to take a page out of conchy's book and stop paying so much attention to social media.

But the only things I ever see from social media  are the twitter and Facebook covid sagas that were copied and pasted here, and the medical expertise from Reddit Healthcare System.  I’m not woke enough for social media, would likely be banned within 10 posts.  The thought police would have their knee on my neck before you could say Fentanyl Floyd.

Those other catchphrases are yesterday’s news though.  ‘Achieved compliance’ is my new go-to pitch.

One is free to do one's part to purposely harm public health by spreading misinformation and doing all one can to prevent the community from benefiting from science and medicine, but one is not free from the ramifications of those activities.

It's been that way since man first walked upright and formed tribes, and that's the way it is now.

Spreading misinformation? You mean like articles with fudged ‘achieved compliance’ numbers that do not account for those who were fired, only those who quit? Misinformation like ‘muh vaccine mandates are as old as the republic’? Misinformation like ‘the vaccine hasn’t harmed anyone’?  ‘350,000,000 Americans have been vaccinated’.  ‘People who have the shots do not get covid’ 😆😂😆

Do these ramifications you speak of still apply in those cases?  Or is it ‘anything goes’ when it backs the narrative?

One is welcome to live displaced beyond the pale as an outcast.

No ramifications for that brand of misinformation eh? You’re totally fine with misinformation, so long as it is in accordance with your narrative. Misinformation that backs the narrative is preferable to facts that hurt your feelings.

So follow the propaganda and lies, submit to hysterical authoritarian radicals, or be displaced beyond the pale as an outcast. Shucks, what a tough choice! Hmmm, let me think...But here’s the thing, in reality it is you radicals who are the outcasts.  Normal people just want to get on with their lives and don’t waste them trying to control and manipulate others, while hoping for the downfall of those who do not conform to their precious little feelings.  Sane humans don’t care for the poison of radicals..the outcasts are the ones being chased up mommy’s skirt by parents who prefer education for their children over indoctrination into Woke Religionism.  But don’t ever let reality get you down. Keep courageously living out your own truth! Stay woke fam!

I'm trying real hard to give your feelings on this subject the appropriate consideration.

There was an common expression very popular with a certain sort about one's feelings.

What was it? It's on the tip of my tongue.

Big Battery

The vaccine cultists are the new flat earthers

cadman

Tell us the "facts" as you see them.

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV

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So we did better in 2020 without a vaccine then we are in 2021 with a vaccine?!!?

For a self proclaimed data guy you sure find it easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of those hospitalized were the unvaccinated, and this was also the Delta variant so not apples to apples.

So, in short, your disingenuous observation is a data fail.


 
 

But everybody was unvaccinated last year...   while in 2021 only 50% of the population is unvaccinated.  

Sounds like we still need a plan and effective leadership.

Or you could finally admit that controlling a virus is darn near impossible, thus blaming individuals for outbreaks is just simply wrong.  

Your call, I'm having fun either way.

If only there was a way to memorialize your actual words...

I thought it was obvious I was specifically referencing covid 19.   Sorry I gave you too much credit in ability to follow an argument.

Since you know better than I, what is prediction for when Corona viruses will be eradicated?  

Don't be shy.  Let us hear your prediction.  

Silly me for using the actual words you typed to attempt to ascertain your meaning. I guess science class didn't include the use of the word "a" as opposed to "the" though it's a pretty important distinction. But, keep spinning.

My prediction is the Corona virus will be controlled as soon as the anti-public health, anti-vax, anti-reality forces, and those that intellectually dishonestly defend them simply to be contrarian get with the program and stop taking so much pleasure in harming our community.  

  

On the 6th of January 1777, George Washington wrote to Dr. William Shippen Jr., ordering him to inoculate all of the forces that came through Philadelphia. He explained that: "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army . . . we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy." 

‘All the forces that came through Philadelphia’.  Big difference between that, and forcing every last man woman and child in the country to take an experimental drug.  LOL..you’re getting very desperate. What disorder was he referring to?

 It was. And, you know, the first vaccine mandate law was enacted in the United States in 1809 for smallpox. But the Supreme Court in 1905 in a very famous case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts upheld a Cambridge City law, which required smallpox vaccination. That was something where the Supreme Court said that we don't have a right to place other people at risk. And by 1922, in another case, Justice Brandeis, writing for unanimous court, upheld childhood school mandates, calling it settled law.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/29/1032169566/the-u-s-has-a-long-precedent-for-vaccine-mandates

Come on man! 😆 I didn’t ask you for a copy and paste job.  I only asked which disorder was Washington referring to. So here we go from 1777, to 1809, 1905, 1922 we’re all over the place here LOL.  Also smallpox is more deadly than a politiflu with a 99% survival rate that kills mostly already unhealthy obese and elderly people. As you like to say, ‘your apples are oranges’ 😆

Point still stands.

Vaccine mandates are as old as the republic and have been ruled constitutional over and over.

They are, in fact, as American as apple pie.

You do like apple pie, don't you, or is that submission as well?

So you are cool with slaves too?  Cause George Washington had them too. 

Show me a vaccine, one that actually prevents you from spreading a disease and is proven over the long run to be safe and I'll consider... but in the meantime, I wont be supporting your choice to buy slaves.

Interesting isn’t it, the same crowd who refers to the founders as oppressive slavers, evil white men who founded the country on ‘white supremacy’ claim the constitution is ‘outdated and archaic, doesn’t apply today’, rally for bigger government and more taxes which the founders were against, are now all the sudden champions of George Washington because he wanted his troops inoculated and equate that to nationwide vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate. The constitution they hate is now valid because vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate are deemed ‘constitutional’ (according to them). The mental gymnastics of Woke Religionism 🍿😆👍

That's hysterical. 

How so? And what about obsessively demanding the entire country regardless of health and antibody status be injected with an experimental drug over a glorified flu that mostly kills obese and elderly? Referring to those who don’t comply as ‘deliberately trying to harm or kill others’ is that hysterical? 

Hey now....I'm just using y'alls own word to describe things. I thought you'd be happy. Over the last 12 months or so you, BB, Treeman and others have obsessively used the word. Seems like y'all are the hysterical ones. I'm trying to use the word "woke" as that's another of your buzzwords. I haven't got there yet but I will. 

(By the way I don't agree with BT and his crowd either. Y'all will all try to destroy this country if you can't get your way.)

Well, to be fair I prefer to use ‘outrage’ most of the time 😆  The hardcore vaccine mongers nationwide have indeed become hysterical, and outraged.  I was just pointing out how many members of that crowd often downgrade the founders as ‘racist, sexist, every other anti-woke type of ‘ist’, now use one of them as an example of ‘vaccine mandates being as old as the republic’ which isn’t exactly an accurate statement either (meanwhile accusing others of spreading misinformation 😆). Which I find funny.  If I were truly hysterical I wouldn’t find any of this funny.  I’d be p/o’d. This is Clown World!  Taking Clown World serious is not good for ones overall well-being. 

Honestly we aren’t the hysterical ones, we aren’t trying to dictate how others live their lives, we are not fear mongering over an over-sensationalized and highly politicized virus, digging the internet for social media covid sagas and snickering over the deaths of those who do not conform to our will, celebrating people losing their jobs after risking themselves during the time when there was no virtue serum to mandate, basically calling others murderers for not taking the experimental.  That is hysteria.  Don’t know what else to call it.  I may be repetitive but I really can’t dedicate too much effort.  Because I’m already spending so much effort to try and deliberately harm and kill people apparently 😆

Clown World.........that's another one. 

You need to take a page out of conchy's book and stop paying so much attention to social media.

But the only things I ever see from social media  are the twitter and Facebook covid sagas that were copied and pasted here, and the medical expertise from Reddit Healthcare System.  I’m not woke enough for social media, would likely be banned within 10 posts.  The thought police would have their knee on my neck before you could say Fentanyl Floyd.

Those other catchphrases are yesterday’s news though.  ‘Achieved compliance’ is my new go-to pitch.

One is free to do one's part to purposely harm public health by spreading misinformation and doing all one can to prevent the community from benefiting from science and medicine, but one is not free from the ramifications of those activities.

It's been that way since man first walked upright and formed tribes, and that's the way it is now.

Spreading misinformation? You mean like articles with fudged ‘achieved compliance’ numbers that do not account for those who were fired, only those who quit? Misinformation like ‘muh vaccine mandates are as old as the republic’? Misinformation like ‘the vaccine hasn’t harmed anyone’?  ‘350,000,000 Americans have been vaccinated’.  ‘People who have the shots do not get covid’ 😆😂😆

Do these ramifications you speak of still apply in those cases?  Or is it ‘anything goes’ when it backs the narrative?

One is welcome to live displaced beyond the pale as an outcast.

No ramifications for that brand of misinformation eh? You’re totally fine with misinformation, so long as it is in accordance with your narrative. Misinformation that backs the narrative is preferable to facts that hurt your feelings.

So follow the propaganda and lies, submit to hysterical authoritarian radicals, or be displaced beyond the pale as an outcast. Shucks, what a tough choice! Hmmm, let me think...But here’s the thing, in reality it is you radicals who are the outcasts.  Normal people just want to get on with their lives and don’t waste them trying to control and manipulate others, while hoping for the downfall of those who do not conform to their precious little feelings.  Sane humans don’t care for the poison of radicals..the outcasts are the ones being chased up mommy’s skirt by parents who prefer education for their children over indoctrination into Woke Religionism.  But don’t ever let reality get you down. Keep courageously living out your own truth! Stay woke fam!

I'm trying real hard to give your feelings on this subject the appropriate consideration.

There was an common expression very popular with a certain sort about one's feelings.

What was it? It's on the tip of my tongue.

And there it is yet again,’the go-to coping mechanism of radicals, projection 😆

That thing on the tip of your tongue is Big Bro’s boots! 

supratentorial

Bimini_Twisted said:

supratentorial said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

BallaCoiPersici said:

Very small risk, rare adverse reactions, bla, bla, bla ...
But meantime they have paused it 

You too can now get your information from the very best sources, just like BB.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-italy

 If you're salty about the source, you can find the same story on AP, Bloomberg, Reuters, ABC, Al Jazeera, etc.
The health agencies of those countries have made unequivocal statements.

Like this one?

You seem to have an odd definition of unequivocal.

Mika Salminen, head of the Finnish health institute, said the Nordic country would instead give the Pfizer vaccine to men born in 1991 and later. Health officials said the decision followed reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect.

“A Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark found that men under the age of 30 who received Moderna Spikevax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing myocarditis,” Salminen said.

What do you find confusing about those statements?

Does anyone else find the name 'spikevax' a little off putting?

supratentorial

Oops...

Covid-19 caused nine times more deaths in those with learning difficulties, study finds

By Jack Guy, CNN 

Updated 7:02 PM EDT, Thu October 07, 2021

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/10/07/health/excess-deaths-covid-mental-health-scli-intl/index.html

Bimini_Twisted

supratentorial said:

Oops...

Covid-19 caused nine times more deaths in those with learning difficulties, study finds

By Jack Guy, CNN 

Updated 7:02 PM EDT, Thu October 07, 2021

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/10/07/health/excess-deaths-covid-mental-health-scli-intl/index.html

All the more reason to get the vaccine, no?

ferris1248

Big Battery said:

The vaccine cultists will disregard all science that is contrary to their religion.

As will you and others who think the way you do. 

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV

supratentorial said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

supratentorial said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

BallaCoiPersici said:

Very small risk, rare adverse reactions, bla, bla, bla ...
But meantime they have paused it 

You too can now get your information from the very best sources, just like BB.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-italy

 If you're salty about the source, you can find the same story on AP, Bloomberg, Reuters, ABC, Al Jazeera, etc.
The health agencies of those countries have made unequivocal statements.

Like this one?

You seem to have an odd definition of unequivocal.

Mika Salminen, head of the Finnish health institute, said the Nordic country would instead give the Pfizer vaccine to men born in 1991 and later. Health officials said the decision followed reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect.

“A Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark found that men under the age of 30 who received Moderna Spikevax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing myocarditis,” Salminen said.

What do you find confusing about those statements?

Does anyone else find the name 'spikevax' a little off putting?

They could call it ‘InstaDeath’ and advertise that the main ingredient is AIDS infested  tissue from an NYC dumpster baby..wouldn’t matter to some people.  They  will do whatever MSM propagandists and Big Bro tell them to and demand that everyone else comply.  And even if there were only 5 of them among millions willing to submit, they would still refer to the vast majority as ‘outcasts’.

dave44

ferris1248 said:

I'd trust the Epoch Times about as much as I'd trust CNN. 

That is an amazing statement.
    

   So you don’t care about current events?
 

  If you get any news, which sources would meet your expectations?

Bimini_Twisted

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

supratentorial said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

supratentorial said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

BallaCoiPersici said:

Very small risk, rare adverse reactions, bla, bla, bla ...
But meantime they have paused it 

You too can now get your information from the very best sources, just like BB.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-italy

 If you're salty about the source, you can find the same story on AP, Bloomberg, Reuters, ABC, Al Jazeera, etc.
The health agencies of those countries have made unequivocal statements.

Like this one?

You seem to have an odd definition of unequivocal.

Mika Salminen, head of the Finnish health institute, said the Nordic country would instead give the Pfizer vaccine to men born in 1991 and later. Health officials said the decision followed reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect.

“A Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark found that men under the age of 30 who received Moderna Spikevax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing myocarditis,” Salminen said.

What do you find confusing about those statements?

Does anyone else find the name 'spikevax' a little off putting?

They could call it ‘InstaDeath’ and advertise that the main ingredient is AIDS infested  tissue from an NYC dumpster baby..wouldn’t matter to some people.  They  will do whatever MSM propagandists and Big Bro tell them to and demand that everyone else comply.  And even if there were only 5 of them among millions willing to submit, they would still refer to the vast majority as ‘outcasts’.

At least you're willing to fly your tenuous tether to reality like a freak flag.

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV

Bimini_Twisted said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

supratentorial said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

supratentorial said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

BallaCoiPersici said:

Very small risk, rare adverse reactions, bla, bla, bla ...
But meantime they have paused it 

You too can now get your information from the very best sources, just like BB.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-italy

 If you're salty about the source, you can find the same story on AP, Bloomberg, Reuters, ABC, Al Jazeera, etc.
The health agencies of those countries have made unequivocal statements.

Like this one?

You seem to have an odd definition of unequivocal.

Mika Salminen, head of the Finnish health institute, said the Nordic country would instead give the Pfizer vaccine to men born in 1991 and later. Health officials said the decision followed reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect.

“A Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark found that men under the age of 30 who received Moderna Spikevax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing myocarditis,” Salminen said.

What do you find confusing about those statements?

Does anyone else find the name 'spikevax' a little off putting?

They could call it ‘InstaDeath’ and advertise that the main ingredient is AIDS infested  tissue from an NYC dumpster baby..wouldn’t matter to some people.  They  will do whatever MSM propagandists and Big Bro tell them to and demand that everyone else comply.  And even if there were only 5 of them among millions willing to submit, they would still refer to the vast majority as ‘outcasts’.

At least you're willing to fly your tenuous tether to reality like a freak flag.

Every post, if it isn’t vaccine shilling, it’s projection 😂

I just heard Fauxci say on CNN that drinking water from truck stop bathroom toilets works as a vaccine booster and protects 100% from the unvaccinated..hit the highway and and drink up! 

kellercl

supratentorial said:

Oops...

Covid-19 caused nine times more deaths in those with learning difficulties, study finds

By Jack Guy, CNN 

Updated 7:02 PM EDT, Thu October 07, 2021

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/10/07/health/excess-deaths-covid-mental-health-scli-intl/index.html

Well, I finally understand why Tarp is so scared of Covid.


























Joking Tarp, joking. 

treemanjohn

https://twitter.com/PierreKory/status/1446312291302055940?s=20

Big Battery

The mandate is nothing but hot air....no executive order, no OSHA Rule, just blathering from the white house.  If your employer cites the "mandate" they are lying.

cadman

Big Battery said:

The mandate is nothing but hot air....no executive order, no OSHA Rule, just blathering from the white house.  If your employer cites the "mandate" they are lying.

OSHA will have the rules in the next few weeks. It takes time to go through the process and get input from stakeholders as the law requires. 

Then it will likely face challenges from several states that oppose it. 

The_Bearded_Angler

My employer is now giving an extra PTO day for employees that have been vaxed along with entering them for weekly $100 gift cards. No required vax yet but they said they will follow gov't regulations from here out.

Tarponator

Delta variant has 235% higher risk of ICU admission than original virus

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-variant-has-235-percent-higher-risk-of-icu-admission-than-original-virus

I could have sworn someone around here has been arguing the exact opposite....