Coronavirus

Saltwaterdawg

Vanna. Can I have a L?

2amigo

Draft 

mplspug

Tarponator said:

mplspug said:

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cadman said:

mplspug said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

I am just glad were able to control the Tetanus virus before it became a pandemic. 

Don't correct Keller, he had listed it as a virus. 

He posted the list?  Is he ghost writing and arguing with himself?

His list is after Bimini's. Tetanus is on it. Implied you only needed one shot and no boosters list

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You mean a chemist got immunology wrong in an attempt to argue the self-evident?

Shocker!

More reaching.  Again, BT introduced bacterium, Keller just responded to it.  Circle the wagons ladies!

BT listed a series of vaccines in response to Keller.  Keller's response was taken apart by Cad in post #18954.  No need to circle the wagons, the Indians have already left.

cadman said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

I am just glad were able to control the Tetanus virus before it became a pandemic. 

Don't correct Keller, he had listed it as a virus. 

He posted the list?  Is he ghost writing and arguing with himself?

His list is after Bimini's. Tetanus is on it. Implied you only needed one shot and no boosters list

.

You mean a chemist got immunology wrong in an attempt to argue the self-evident?

Shocker!

More reaching.  Again, BT introduced bacterium, Keller just responded to it.  Circle the wagons ladies!

I guess I shouldn't expect a Chemist to catch it.

You guys are as deliberately obtuse as you are humorless.  I posted about BT listing bacterium as viruses and you deflect to Keller.  Good work.

Speaking of deliberately obtuse.

So, tell me, why did BT list them?

Because he copied and pasted without googling if they were all viruses.  Or he doesn't know the difference.  Thanks for proving my replies to be truthful.

2amigo

Tarponator said:

And in related news:

Anti-vaccine chiropractors rising force of misinformation

https://apnews.com/article/anti-virus-chiropractors-rising-force-misinformation-02b347767b45cab1d6d532be03c57529

I'm glad we don't have any like that around here.

If you are being sarcastic and referring to me, you don’t read and just post. I suggest you go back and read what I said when replying to BT’s question about suggesting or asking about vaccines to my patients. I’m not anti vax at all. I’m pro natural immunity. But you keep on Tarping.  😂It’s what you do best and I would expect nothing less.  Oh and when it comes to the immune system, I’m smarter than you.😂

2amigo

Tarponator said:

conchydong said:

BTW Tarp, you should humble yourself now and then and know your limitations also. None of us here are experts on virology. Even the experts are dumbfounded by this virus.

Perhaps, but then again I tend to not exude humility when faced with ad hominem.

I've never suggested, pretended, implied, or said I was an expert on virology.

But he plays a virologist on the internets……..🤣

2amigo

Man. Tarp is on fire and combative tonight,  (Went back to read everything) and I know why. Turned down again. Well, I am starting a collection for an escort service in Tampa. If we all chip in 5 dollars we can get one for him on the cheap. May not be a looker but she will be a wild one!  I Gotchu Tarp!

cadman

kellercl said:

BT lists various diseases and I ask if they are annual vaccinations.  CAD turns around and falsely claims I 'implied' they were single doses with no boosters.  

I wonder if CAD can figure out why I ignore him completely 99% of the time.  

And of course Tarp jumps because reasons.

Arguing to argue.

New flash folks, if you have to lie to prove a point...  you aren't actually making a point.

You have already made the assumption the Covid will be an annual vaccine, hence the reason for your post to prove those were not. I simply pointed out none of those were just one dose vaccine and some needed boosters years later. Some were only meant o protect during childhood, many of them lose efficiency over the years. 

Not even the scientists will state that the Covid vaccine will be annual, yet you have determined it will. 

I wonder if you will ever figure out I don't care if you ignore me or not. I will still correct your inaccuracies. 

cadman

conchydong said:

BTW Tarp, you should humble yourself now and then and know your limitations also. None of us here are experts on virology. Even the experts are dumbfounded by this virus.

There are many assumptions about the virus and the vaccine by many on here.

Bimini_Twisted

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

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ferris1248 said:

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Big Battery said:

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kellercl said:

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So we did better in 2020 without a vaccine then we are in 2021 with a vaccine?!!?

For a self proclaimed data guy you sure find it easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of those hospitalized were the unvaccinated, and this was also the Delta variant so not apples to apples.

So, in short, your disingenuous observation is a data fail.


 
 

But everybody was unvaccinated last year...   while in 2021 only 50% of the population is unvaccinated.  

Sounds like we still need a plan and effective leadership.

Or you could finally admit that controlling a virus is darn near impossible, thus blaming individuals for outbreaks is just simply wrong.  

Your call, I'm having fun either way.

If only there was a way to memorialize your actual words...

I thought it was obvious I was specifically referencing covid 19.   Sorry I gave you too much credit in ability to follow an argument.

Since you know better than I, what is prediction for when Corona viruses will be eradicated?  

Don't be shy.  Let us hear your prediction.  

Silly me for using the actual words you typed to attempt to ascertain your meaning. I guess science class didn't include the use of the word "a" as opposed to "the" though it's a pretty important distinction. But, keep spinning.

My prediction is the Corona virus will be controlled as soon as the anti-public health, anti-vax, anti-reality forces, and those that intellectually dishonestly defend them simply to be contrarian get with the program and stop taking so much pleasure in harming our community.  

  

On the 6th of January 1777, George Washington wrote to Dr. William Shippen Jr., ordering him to inoculate all of the forces that came through Philadelphia. He explained that: "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army . . . we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy." 

‘All the forces that came through Philadelphia’.  Big difference between that, and forcing every last man woman and child in the country to take an experimental drug.  LOL..you’re getting very desperate. What disorder was he referring to?

 It was. And, you know, the first vaccine mandate law was enacted in the United States in 1809 for smallpox. But the Supreme Court in 1905 in a very famous case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts upheld a Cambridge City law, which required smallpox vaccination. That was something where the Supreme Court said that we don't have a right to place other people at risk. And by 1922, in another case, Justice Brandeis, writing for unanimous court, upheld childhood school mandates, calling it settled law.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/29/1032169566/the-u-s-has-a-long-precedent-for-vaccine-mandates

Come on man! 😆 I didn’t ask you for a copy and paste job.  I only asked which disorder was Washington referring to. So here we go from 1777, to 1809, 1905, 1922 we’re all over the place here LOL.  Also smallpox is more deadly than a politiflu with a 99% survival rate that kills mostly already unhealthy obese and elderly people. As you like to say, ‘your apples are oranges’ 😆

Point still stands.

Vaccine mandates are as old as the republic and have been ruled constitutional over and over.

They are, in fact, as American as apple pie.

You do like apple pie, don't you, or is that submission as well?

So you are cool with slaves too?  Cause George Washington had them too. 

Show me a vaccine, one that actually prevents you from spreading a disease and is proven over the long run to be safe and I'll consider... but in the meantime, I wont be supporting your choice to buy slaves.

Interesting isn’t it, the same crowd who refers to the founders as oppressive slavers, evil white men who founded the country on ‘white supremacy’ claim the constitution is ‘outdated and archaic, doesn’t apply today’, rally for bigger government and more taxes which the founders were against, are now all the sudden champions of George Washington because he wanted his troops inoculated and equate that to nationwide vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate. The constitution they hate is now valid because vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate are deemed ‘constitutional’ (according to them). The mental gymnastics of Woke Religionism 🍿😆👍

That's hysterical. 

How so? And what about obsessively demanding the entire country regardless of health and antibody status be injected with an experimental drug over a glorified flu that mostly kills obese and elderly? Referring to those who don’t comply as ‘deliberately trying to harm or kill others’ is that hysterical? 

Or, in other words, public health...

Public health? You mean like ‘free Krispy Kreme with your covid shot’? 😆

It isn’t about public health at all.  What it all boils down to is that you subscribe to a narrative, and want to be right, or at least seen as right and for people to conform to your views and your will. ‘Achieved compliance’ is the name of the game.  

Many of the public weren’t healthy long before this saga came about.  Now all the sudden public health matters. Okay 😆

Don't worry we are currently changing the bulbs in streetlights with black lights, and we're going to use the black lights to tell who's vaccinated or not.

supratentorial

We already know about graphene in the injections that can be activated by radio waves to alter behavior.  Is the black light ID also related to graphene?

kellercl

Tarponator said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

I am just glad were able to control the Tetanus virus before it became a pandemic. 

Don't correct Keller, he had listed it as a virus. 

He posted the list?  Is he ghost writing and arguing with himself?

His list is after Bimini's. Tetanus is on it. Implied you only needed one shot and no boosters list

.

You mean a chemist got immunology wrong in an attempt to argue the self-evident?

Shocker!

More reaching.  Again, BT introduced bacterium, Keller just responded to it.  Circle the wagons ladies!

BT listed a series of vaccines in response to Keller.  Keller's response was taken apart by Cad in post #18954.  No need to circle the wagons, the Indians have already left.

cadman said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

I am just glad were able to control the Tetanus virus before it became a pandemic. 

Don't correct Keller, he had listed it as a virus. 

He posted the list?  Is he ghost writing and arguing with himself?

His list is after Bimini's. Tetanus is on it. Implied you only needed one shot and no boosters list

.

You mean a chemist got immunology wrong in an attempt to argue the self-evident?

Shocker!

More reaching.  Again, BT introduced bacterium, Keller just responded to it.  Circle the wagons ladies!

I guess I shouldn't expect a Chemist to catch it.

You guys are as deliberately obtuse as you are humorless.  I posted about BT listing bacterium as viruses and you deflect to Keller.  Good work.

Speaking of deliberately obtuse.

So, tell me, why did BT list them?

Or was that a joke?

Because they are examples of diseases controlled by vaccines.  Which at face value is great in extrapolating to covid, but there are two issues with doing as such:

1) covid is mutating quickly which can reduce vaccine efficacy.  The diseases he listed did not mutate like covid.  

2) the vaccines listed by BT stopped infection.  Covid vaccine doesn't stop infection as much as it reduces severity.  A virus needs to replicate in order to mutate.  Replication requires infection....  which it can do to the vaccinated.  The vaccines BT listed were different because it stopped infection.

Both 1 & 2 are concerning.  Hopefully our real world experts have contingency plans in the works.   Not too mention both 1 & 2 are why BT's assumptions are at best unlikely.  And it is also why my personal prediction is covid will be an annual vaccine like influenza, unless it downgrades in severity via mutation.

Which is essentially the discussion BT and I were having till CAD got lonely and starting telling lies, and you agreed because reasons.  

2amigo

kellercl said:

Tarponator said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

I am just glad were able to control the Tetanus virus before it became a pandemic. 

Don't correct Keller, he had listed it as a virus. 

He posted the list?  Is he ghost writing and arguing with himself?

His list is after Bimini's. Tetanus is on it. Implied you only needed one shot and no boosters list

.

You mean a chemist got immunology wrong in an attempt to argue the self-evident?

Shocker!

More reaching.  Again, BT introduced bacterium, Keller just responded to it.  Circle the wagons ladies!

BT listed a series of vaccines in response to Keller.  Keller's response was taken apart by Cad in post #18954.  No need to circle the wagons, the Indians have already left.

cadman said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

I am just glad were able to control the Tetanus virus before it became a pandemic. 

Don't correct Keller, he had listed it as a virus. 

He posted the list?  Is he ghost writing and arguing with himself?

His list is after Bimini's. Tetanus is on it. Implied you only needed one shot and no boosters list

.

You mean a chemist got immunology wrong in an attempt to argue the self-evident?

Shocker!

More reaching.  Again, BT introduced bacterium, Keller just responded to it.  Circle the wagons ladies!

I guess I shouldn't expect a Chemist to catch it.

You guys are as deliberately obtuse as you are humorless.  I posted about BT listing bacterium as viruses and you deflect to Keller.  Good work.

Speaking of deliberately obtuse.

So, tell me, why did BT list them?

Or was that a joke?

Because they are examples of diseases controlled by vaccines.  Which at face value is great in extrapolating to covid, but there are two issues with doing as such:

1) covid is mutating quickly which can reduce vaccine efficacy.  The diseases he listed did not mutate like covid.  

2) the vaccines listed by BT stopped infection.  Covid vaccine doesn't stop infection as much as it reduces severity.  A virus needs to replicate in order to mutate.  Replication requires infection....  which it can do to the vaccinated.  The vaccines BT listed were different because it stopped infection.

Both 1 & 2 are concerning.  Hopefully our real world experts have contingency plans in the works.   Not too mention both 1 & 2 are why BT's assumptions are at best unlikely.  And it is also why my personal prediction is covid will be an annual vaccine like influenza, unless it downgrades in severity via mutation.

Which is essentially the discussion BT and I were having till CAD got lonely and starting telling lies, and you agreed because reasons.  

It's amazing how reasonable this post is yet people will argue with it.  Everything pointed out here is basically what the data is showing.  Only thing I would add is another reason vaccines not being overall effective for coronaviruses is that while they are effective with lower respiratory they are  not effective with upper respiratory.  That is why they are harder to control.

dave44

After over 600 pages it’s pretty easy to see that a few people tenaciously hang on to a political idealism that only government can save the world through partisan totalitarian control.

ferris1248

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

ferris1248 said:

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ferris1248 said:

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Big Battery said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

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XtremeEpicOutdoorsTV said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

kellercl said:

Bimini_Twisted said:

So we did better in 2020 without a vaccine then we are in 2021 with a vaccine?!!?

For a self proclaimed data guy you sure find it easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of those hospitalized were the unvaccinated, and this was also the Delta variant so not apples to apples.

So, in short, your disingenuous observation is a data fail.


 
 

But everybody was unvaccinated last year...   while in 2021 only 50% of the population is unvaccinated.  

Sounds like we still need a plan and effective leadership.

Or you could finally admit that controlling a virus is darn near impossible, thus blaming individuals for outbreaks is just simply wrong.  

Your call, I'm having fun either way.

If only there was a way to memorialize your actual words...

I thought it was obvious I was specifically referencing covid 19.   Sorry I gave you too much credit in ability to follow an argument.

Since you know better than I, what is prediction for when Corona viruses will be eradicated?  

Don't be shy.  Let us hear your prediction.  

Silly me for using the actual words you typed to attempt to ascertain your meaning. I guess science class didn't include the use of the word "a" as opposed to "the" though it's a pretty important distinction. But, keep spinning.

My prediction is the Corona virus will be controlled as soon as the anti-public health, anti-vax, anti-reality forces, and those that intellectually dishonestly defend them simply to be contrarian get with the program and stop taking so much pleasure in harming our community.  

  

On the 6th of January 1777, George Washington wrote to Dr. William Shippen Jr., ordering him to inoculate all of the forces that came through Philadelphia. He explained that: "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army . . . we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy." 

‘All the forces that came through Philadelphia’.  Big difference between that, and forcing every last man woman and child in the country to take an experimental drug.  LOL..you’re getting very desperate. What disorder was he referring to?

 It was. And, you know, the first vaccine mandate law was enacted in the United States in 1809 for smallpox. But the Supreme Court in 1905 in a very famous case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts upheld a Cambridge City law, which required smallpox vaccination. That was something where the Supreme Court said that we don't have a right to place other people at risk. And by 1922, in another case, Justice Brandeis, writing for unanimous court, upheld childhood school mandates, calling it settled law.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/29/1032169566/the-u-s-has-a-long-precedent-for-vaccine-mandates

Come on man! 😆 I didn’t ask you for a copy and paste job.  I only asked which disorder was Washington referring to. So here we go from 1777, to 1809, 1905, 1922 we’re all over the place here LOL.  Also smallpox is more deadly than a politiflu with a 99% survival rate that kills mostly already unhealthy obese and elderly people. As you like to say, ‘your apples are oranges’ 😆

Point still stands.

Vaccine mandates are as old as the republic and have been ruled constitutional over and over.

They are, in fact, as American as apple pie.

You do like apple pie, don't you, or is that submission as well?

So you are cool with slaves too?  Cause George Washington had them too. 

Show me a vaccine, one that actually prevents you from spreading a disease and is proven over the long run to be safe and I'll consider... but in the meantime, I wont be supporting your choice to buy slaves.

Interesting isn’t it, the same crowd who refers to the founders as oppressive slavers, evil white men who founded the country on ‘white supremacy’ claim the constitution is ‘outdated and archaic, doesn’t apply today’, rally for bigger government and more taxes which the founders were against, are now all the sudden champions of George Washington because he wanted his troops inoculated and equate that to nationwide vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate. The constitution they hate is now valid because vaccine mandates for a glorified flu with 99% survival rate are deemed ‘constitutional’ (according to them). The mental gymnastics of Woke Religionism 🍿😆👍

That's hysterical. 

How so? And what about obsessively demanding the entire country regardless of health and antibody status be injected with an experimental drug over a glorified flu that mostly kills obese and elderly? Referring to those who don’t comply as ‘deliberately trying to harm or kill others’ is that hysterical? 

Hey now....I'm just using y'alls own word to describe things. I thought you'd be happy. Over the last 12 months or so you, BB, Treeman and others have obsessively used the word. Seems like y'all are the hysterical ones. I'm trying to use the word "woke" as that's another of your buzzwords. I haven't got there yet but I will. 

(By the way I don't agree with BT and his crowd either. Y'all will all try to destroy this country if you can't get your way.)

Well, to be fair I prefer to use ‘outrage’ most of the time 😆  The hardcore vaccine mongers nationwide have indeed become hysterical, and outraged.  I was just pointing out how many members of that crowd often downgrade the founders as ‘racist, sexist, every other anti-woke type of ‘ist’, now use one of them as an example of ‘vaccine mandates being as old as the republic’ which isn’t exactly an accurate statement either (meanwhile accusing others of spreading misinformation 😆). Which I find funny.  If I were truly hysterical I wouldn’t find any of this funny.  I’d be p/o’d. This is Clown World!  Taking Clown World serious is not good for ones overall well-being. 

Honestly we aren’t the hysterical ones, we aren’t trying to dictate how others live their lives, we are not fear mongering over an over-sensationalized and highly politicized virus, digging the internet for social media covid sagas and snickering over the deaths of those who do not conform to our will, celebrating people losing their jobs after risking themselves during the time when there was no virtue serum to mandate, basically calling others murderers for not taking the experimental.  That is hysteria.  Don’t know what else to call it.  I may be repetitive but I really can’t dedicate too much effort.  Because I’m already spending so much effort to try and deliberately harm and kill people apparently 😆

Clown World.........that's another one. 

You need to take a page out of conchy's book and stop paying so much attention to social media.

ferris1248

treemanjohn said:

ferris1248 said:

2amigo said:

treemanjohn said:

cadman said:

treemanjohn said:

cadman said:

ferris1248 said:

cadman said:

treemanjohn said:

COLORADO SPRINGS When a Colorado woman found out her hospital wouldn’t approve her kidney transplant surgery until she got the COVID-19 vaccine, she was left with a difficult decision pitting her health needs against her religious beliefs.

Leilani Lutali, a born-again Christian, went with her faith.

Even though she has stage 5 kidney disease that puts her at risk of dying without a new kidney, Lutali, 56, said she could not agree to be vaccinated because of the role that stem cells have played in the development of vaccines.

“As a Christian, I can't support anything that has to do with abortion of babies, and the sanctity of life for me is precious,” she said.

Talk about somebody who needs to understand science better. The fetal cells used in research are 1000 generations removed from the original cells harvested 40 years ago. There is no harvesting done today.

It's her choice. I wish her well.

But it is sad when someone risks their life over bad information and some garbage they read on the internet. I bet she has taken a common medicine that used fetal cells in the research. 

I do wish her well though. 

Conviction is very admirable. You're not concerned that she's being denied potentially life saving surgery?

She is being denied nothing. All she has to do is get the vaccine. Her ignorance is causing her issues. It is her choice to refuse life-saving surgery by refusing the vaccine. She is causing her issues,
 no one else. 

She is being denied. Would a HIV patient be denied? 

You're going to wish your way into oblivion with your way of thinking 

ferris1248 said:

treemanjohn said:

cadman said:

treemanjohn said:

cadman said:

ferris1248 said:

cadman said:

treemanjohn said:

COLORADO SPRINGS When a Colorado woman found out her hospital wouldn’t approve her kidney transplant surgery until she got the COVID-19 vaccine, she was left with a difficult decision pitting her health needs against her religious beliefs.

Leilani Lutali, a born-again Christian, went with her faith.

Even though she has stage 5 kidney disease that puts her at risk of dying without a new kidney, Lutali, 56, said she could not agree to be vaccinated because of the role that stem cells have played in the development of vaccines.

“As a Christian, I can't support anything that has to do with abortion of babies, and the sanctity of life for me is precious,” she said.

Talk about somebody who needs to understand science better. The fetal cells used in research are 1000 generations removed from the original cells harvested 40 years ago. There is no harvesting done today.

It's her choice. I wish her well.

But it is sad when someone risks their life over bad information and some garbage they read on the internet. I bet she has taken a common medicine that used fetal cells in the research. 

I do wish her well though. 

Conviction is very admirable. You're not concerned that she's being denied potentially life saving surgery?

She is being denied nothing. All she has to do is get the vaccine. Her ignorance is causing her issues. It is her choice to refuse life-saving surgery by refusing the vaccine. She is causing her issues,
 no one else. 

She is being denied. Would a HIV patient be denied? 

You're going to wish your way into oblivion with your way of thinking 

It's her choice. For someone who is all about choice you seem to have a problem recognizing it.

As for the HIV question, in the early days of discovery, a HIV patient would have been denied. 

Well unless the patient plans on having sex with other patients pre and post surgery, bad analogy with an AIDS patient compared to a
Respiratory virus that can spread
to others who are compromised post surgical. (My buddy who’s a chiropractor in Colorado Springs almost died post surgical from Covid in the hospital). And  Ferris,
there were absolutely surgeries with no denied admittance with early AIDS victims. 

I was speaking of when HIV first hit the airwaves and everyone was running around in hysterics. 

A lot of political hysterics running around now. 

Again, In your opinion is it OK for a medical professional to turn away someone who needs a lung transplant based on a kung flu vaccine? Did these medical professionals not work prior to the vaccine? 

To me it's just a political stance which medical professionals should avoid

There sure is. 

supratentorial

Big Battery said:

Sweden and Denmark halt use of Moderna jab for those under 30 due to adverse reactions.

Slowly the truth is being reported....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-06/sweden-halts-moderna-s-covid-vaccine-for-people-aged-30-or-under

Iceland has now halted the heart destroying injection for all ages.

Big Battery

kellercl said:

Tarponator said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

I am just glad were able to control the Tetanus virus before it became a pandemic. 

Don't correct Keller, he had listed it as a virus. 

He posted the list?  Is he ghost writing and arguing with himself?

His list is after Bimini's. Tetanus is on it. Implied you only needed one shot and no boosters list

.

You mean a chemist got immunology wrong in an attempt to argue the self-evident?

Shocker!

More reaching.  Again, BT introduced bacterium, Keller just responded to it.  Circle the wagons ladies!

BT listed a series of vaccines in response to Keller.  Keller's response was taken apart by Cad in post #18954.  No need to circle the wagons, the Indians have already left.

cadman said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

I am just glad were able to control the Tetanus virus before it became a pandemic. 

Don't correct Keller, he had listed it as a virus. 

He posted the list?  Is he ghost writing and arguing with himself?

His list is after Bimini's. Tetanus is on it. Implied you only needed one shot and no boosters list

.

You mean a chemist got immunology wrong in an attempt to argue the self-evident?

Shocker!

More reaching.  Again, BT introduced bacterium, Keller just responded to it.  Circle the wagons ladies!

I guess I shouldn't expect a Chemist to catch it.

You guys are as deliberately obtuse as you are humorless.  I posted about BT listing bacterium as viruses and you deflect to Keller.  Good work.

Speaking of deliberately obtuse.

So, tell me, why did BT list them?

Or was that a joke?

Because they are examples of diseases controlled by vaccines.  Which at face value is great in extrapolating to covid, but there are two issues with doing as such:

1) covid is mutating quickly which can reduce vaccine efficacy.  The diseases he listed did not mutate like covid.  

2) the vaccines listed by BT stopped infection.  Covid vaccine doesn't stop infection as much as it reduces severity.  A virus needs to replicate in order to mutate.  Replication requires infection....  which it can do to the vaccinated.  The vaccines BT listed were different because it stopped infection.

Both 1 & 2 are concerning.  Hopefully our real world experts have contingency plans in the works.   Not too mention both 1 & 2 are why BT's assumptions are at best unlikely.  And it is also why my personal prediction is covid will be an annual vaccine like influenza, unless it downgrades in severity via mutation.

Which is essentially the discussion BT and I were having till CAD got lonely and starting telling lies, and you agreed because reasons.  

This is what can support a theory that the newer still deadly variations are coming from the vaccinated.  Nonvaccinated variations would be less deadly.  Sadly the vaxxed wont support this theory because it would run contrary to their belief in their choice and mistaken trust in govco and fauci.

Big Battery

cadman said:

conchydong said:

BTW Tarp, you should humble yourself now and then and know your limitations also. None of us here are experts on virology. Even the experts are dumbfounded by this virus.

There are many assumptions about the virus and the vaccine by many on here.

True, many still believe being injected protects them from getting covid...or not. Or that the uninjected are a threat to them.  The hysterical attitude towards the uninjected is another good example caused by assumptions. 

cadman

kellercl said:

Tarponator said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

I am just glad were able to control the Tetanus virus before it became a pandemic. 

Don't correct Keller, he had listed it as a virus. 

He posted the list?  Is he ghost writing and arguing with himself?

His list is after Bimini's. Tetanus is on it. Implied you only needed one shot and no boosters list

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You mean a chemist got immunology wrong in an attempt to argue the self-evident?

Shocker!

More reaching.  Again, BT introduced bacterium, Keller just responded to it.  Circle the wagons ladies!

BT listed a series of vaccines in response to Keller.  Keller's response was taken apart by Cad in post #18954.  No need to circle the wagons, the Indians have already left.

cadman said:

mplspug said:

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

cadman said:

mplspug said:

I am just glad were able to control the Tetanus virus before it became a pandemic. 

Don't correct Keller, he had listed it as a virus. 

He posted the list?  Is he ghost writing and arguing with himself?

His list is after Bimini's. Tetanus is on it. Implied you only needed one shot and no boosters list

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You mean a chemist got immunology wrong in an attempt to argue the self-evident?

Shocker!

More reaching.  Again, BT introduced bacterium, Keller just responded to it.  Circle the wagons ladies!

I guess I shouldn't expect a Chemist to catch it.

You guys are as deliberately obtuse as you are humorless.  I posted about BT listing bacterium as viruses and you deflect to Keller.  Good work.

Speaking of deliberately obtuse.

So, tell me, why did BT list them?

Or was that a joke?

Because they are examples of diseases controlled by vaccines.  Which at face value is great in extrapolating to covid, but there are two issues with doing as such:

1) covid is mutating quickly which can reduce vaccine efficacy.  The diseases he listed did not mutate like covid.  

2) the vaccines listed by BT stopped infection.  Covid vaccine doesn't stop infection as much as it reduces severity.  A virus needs to replicate in order to mutate.  Replication requires infection....  which it can do to the vaccinated.  The vaccines BT listed were different because it stopped infection.

Both 1 & 2 are concerning.  Hopefully our real world experts have contingency plans in the works.   Not too mention both 1 & 2 are why BT's assumptions are at best unlikely.  And it is also why my personal prediction is covid will be an annual vaccine like influenza, unless it downgrades in severity via mutation.

Which is essentially the discussion BT and I were having till CAD got lonely and starting telling lies, and you agreed because reasons.  

Everyone keeps saying the vaccine does not stop Covid. But I hear the real scientist say it does. It is 95% effective 2 weeks after the second dose and reduces over time. After 6 months Pfizer is around 35% to 40% and Moderna is 60% to 65%. As I understand it. that means the Moderna vaccine stops 60% or so of the possible infections of Covid. 

Just because there are some breakthrough infections does not mean the vaccine does not stop most infections. 

I never told any lies, you are just so full of yourself you can't admit you were wrong trying to imply the Covid vaccine was annual when that has not been established yet.  You keep stretching the truth at every turn. the vaccine does not stop the virus. The vaccine is annual. Neither of those is true at the present time. 

Big Battery

Real? I guess you believed the "science" about smoking...remember, 4 out of 5 DRs recommended smoking.  The scientists said it was safe.

The injevtion isnt annual... its two, then a third by 6 months..who knows when the 4th is required to "prevent" covid. You seem so naive sometimes but your stubbornness makes you think and say stupid things.

2amigo

So now that cases are dropping significantly, what do we think is next or when the next wave will be. There are 16 variants total and do we think there will be a mutation for the better or worse.  Maybe Johnny Bandit could get a gambling pool going or something.

Big Battery

2amigo said:

So now that cases are dropping significantly, what do we think is next or when the next wave will be. There are 16 variants total and do we think there will be a mutation for the better or worse.  Maybe Johnny Bandit could get a gambling pool going or something.

Its time to double down...the economy isnt destroyed completely yet. Look for a travel mandate requiring injection.

Big Battery

kellercl

2amigo said:

So now that cases are dropping significantly, what do we think is next or when the next wave will be. There are 16 variants total and do we think there will be a mutation for the better or worse.  Maybe Johnny Bandit could get a gambling pool going or something.

Good question.  Moderna is looking at combining influenza vaccine with covid boosters, which to me indicates they don't expect covid to go away anytime soon.  

BallaCoiPersici

Bad news from Italy.
Riots in Rome. They’ve got what they were searching for 🙄

BallaCoiPersici

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Ayr6qS9r8

Bimini_Twisted

Big Battery said:

Gee, I wonder why our questionably intellectually honest friend above neglected to source the article he is hitching his wagon to?

Finland Follows Sweden, Denmark in Halting Use of Moderna Vaccine for Younger Age Group

Finish health authorities have paused the use of Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine on Oct. 7 in men under the age of 30, just one day after Sweden and Denmark announced similar measures because of side effects.

Mika Salminen, head of the Finnish health institute, said the Nordic country would instead give the Pfizer vaccine to men born in 1991 and later. Health officials said the decision followed reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect.

“A Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark found that men under the age of 30 who received Moderna Spikevax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing myocarditis,” Salminen said.

Swedish health officials on Oct. 6 also halted the use of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger people and children after reports of possible side effects including myocarditis. Danish officials announced that it will halt the shot for those under the age of 18 due to similar concerns.

According to a statement from the Swedish health agency that was translated to English use from Swedish, there is “an increased risk of side effects such as inflammation of the heart muscle or heart sac,” although the agency noted that the risk is “very small.”

“The connection is especially clear when it comes to Moderna’s vaccine Spikevax, especially after the second dose,” the health agency said.

Severe cases of myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, can lead to heart failure or even sudden death. Symptoms of the infection can include chest pain, rapid or abnormal heart rhythms, and shortness of breath.

A Moderna spokesperson had said after Sweden and Denmark’s Oct. 6 announcement that the company was made aware of the decisions by the country’s regulators.

“These are typically mild cases and individuals tend to recover within a short time following standard treatment and rest,” the spokesperson for the U.S.-based pharmaceutical company said, adding that unvaccinated people are still at a higher risk of getting myocarditis from COVID-19 than those who are vaccinated.

The Nordic countries based the decision on an unpublished research study that included data from Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. Officials said the research will be published within a couple of weeks and preliminary data had been sent to the European Medicines Agency (EMA) for further assessment.

In July, EMA, the European Union’s chief drug regulator, recommended authorizing Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine for children ages 12 to 17. It came months after the Moderna vaccine was given approval for use in anyone aged 18 and older across the 27-nation bloc in January.

Both U.S. and European regulators have cautioned that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, which use mRNA technology, are linked to chest pain and heart inflammation in young people and children, although those agencies have frequently said those reactions are rare.

Epoch Times reporter Jack Phillips and Reuters contributed to this report.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/finland-follows-sweden-and-denmark-in-halting-use-of-moderna-vaccine-for-younger-age-group_4036934.html?welcomeuser=1

The Epoch Times is a far-right[12] international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement.[17] The newspaper, based in New York City, is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television.[18] The Epoch Times has websites in 35 countries but is blocked in mainland China.[19]

The Epoch Times opposes the Chinese Communist Party,[20] promotes far-right politicians in Europe,[3][5] and has backed TFG in the U.S.;[21] a 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-TFG Facebook advertising after the TFG's campaign.[18][22][23] The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccine misinformation.[18][24][25] In 2020, The New York Times called it a "global-scale misinformation machine". 

BallaCoiPersici

Very small risk, rare adverse reactions, bla, bla, bla ...
But meantime they have paused it 

Bimini_Twisted

BallaCoiPersici said:

Very small risk, rare adverse reactions, bla, bla, bla ...
But meantime they have paused it 

You too can now get your information from the very best sources, just like BB.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-italy

ferris1248

I'd trust the Epoch Times about as much as I'd trust CNN.