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  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 16,987 AG
    edited May 29 #6482
    Nobody said they were or needed to be perfect, Cad, and of course you're right to point out that some of them are as accurate as other serological tests.   However, that's not the case for all the tests (see: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/emergency-situations-medical-devices/eua-authorized-serology-test-performance ) and while I can understand and even agree with the need to fastback them, it's worth pointing out again none of them went through the normal rigor these types of tests go through (i.e. they were rushed out).  

    As a result there are still tests being used that are far less accurate than the Roche test and I'd try to cherrypick one of the best ones too if I were you...but that's not being very objective, now, is it?

    Lastly, I never said anything near "the tests are the problem" -- those are your words not mine.

    Maybe make up more things I never said and cherrypick some more.  Eventually perhaps you'll be able to parse my words in a way that proves whatever point you were trying to make.

    Good luck.

  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 16,987 AG
    edited May 29 #6483
    Big Mak said:
    Well, I'm thoroughly convinced that nobody, and I mean NOBODY, knows much more than a gnats a$$ of truth or facts about this coronavirus after what happened to my oldest daughter at work last week. Apparently she got word tonight on her way to work that one of the other nurses she worked closely with last week up until Friday is sick with the disease. Of course being a holiday weekend we did the family things and whatnot from Friday to Tuesday so there is that possibility we may have been unknowingly exposed. What is perplexing is that the hospital is scheduling her as if nothing happened. No tests, no extra precautions, no sequestering, nothing. Just come on in, it's business as usual. 

    I would have thought they might be just a little concerned with the potential spreading of this stuff to patients or staff, or maybe even family. I guess they must figure it's not nearly as contagious as we thought. Who freaking knows? NOBODY!

    Not to mention, my wife is a dental hygienist who started back to work two weeks ago. Another position that is highly susceptible for a infection of this nature... It will be a miracle if we don't all get hit with this sheet if it is in fact as the science community and peanut gallery says it is.
    I hope everyone is OK.  Having gone through the same thing you have, I can appreciate how you might be feeling.

    Gives you a bit of a different perspective when you know someone who has it or may have it, doesn't it?


  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 11,530 AG
    You forgot to ask if his daughter has been jogging lately.

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  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 16,987 AG
    edited May 29 #6485
    Why would I ask that?  She's not here going of the deep end, and neither is Mack...not to mention none of them appear to have caught much less recovered from it.

    You forgot to point out the number of flu deaths or there's risk in driving.
  • Big MakBig Mak Posts: 3,305 Captain
    Big Mak said:
    Well, I'm thoroughly convinced that nobody, and I mean NOBODY, knows much more than a gnats a$$ of truth or facts about this coronavirus after what happened to my oldest daughter at work last week. Apparently she got word tonight on her way to work that one of the other nurses she worked closely with last week up until Friday is sick with the disease. Of course being a holiday weekend we did the family things and whatnot from Friday to Tuesday so there is that possibility we may have been unknowingly exposed. What is perplexing is that the hospital is scheduling her as if nothing happened. No tests, no extra precautions, no sequestering, nothing. Just come on in, it's business as usual. 

    I would have thought they might be just a little concerned with the potential spreading of this stuff to patients or staff, or maybe even family. I guess they must figure it's not nearly as contagious as we thought. Who freaking knows? NOBODY!

    Not to mention, my wife is a dental hygienist who started back to work two weeks ago. Another position that is highly susceptible for a infection of this nature... It will be a miracle if we don't all get hit with this sheet if it is in fact as the science community and peanut gallery says it is.
    Gives you a bit of a different perspective when you know someone who has it or may have it, doesn't it?
    I'm not really sure my perspective has changed, Tarp. Of course I've always believed this was a serious problem. For sure I don't want it running through my family. If I could snap my fingers and make it disappear I would, but unfortunately I have a feeling I'm about to find out first hand how contagious and how bad this stuff really is. 

    I said months ago, I've either had it or I'm almost certain I will get it. My goal was to keep my family away from it with my own prudent measures. Actually, up until recent weeks, we didn't allow my older daughter to visit, being that she was working in a high risk job. 

    What gets me is here (and I've said this before, too) is the lackadaisical attitudes within the hospitals regarding PPE use and quarantine protocols and standards for their personnel, and in some cases, patients. They should know better, but apparently they do not. Smarter people than me who know allot more about the disease are calling for more proactive, protective measures, but are not practicing what they preach. 

    I asked my daughter how she was feeling this morning. She said fine. I asked her how her sick coworker was doing, and she said they wouldn't tell her. I asked her if they were planning on testing her. Nope.  I told her the medical establishment really doesn't know what in the hell they are dealing with, and she replied, "No, they really don't."  FWIW


  • Bimini_TwistedBimini_Twisted TampaPosts: 1,454 Officer
    Sorry to read what you and your family are going through, that's got to be tough. FWIW my 70 female cousin in NY got it, and though she had a horrific cough, and a course of antibiotics, she made it through okay. Her husband who shares the same small apartment was with her the whole time and didn't get it, or was asymptomatic. They did stay as separated as they could and disinfected what they could often, as well as wear masks.

    Why wait on her employer to test her, or you? Why not just go get tested for more peace of mind?

    Best of luck.
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 16,987 AG
    edited May 29 #6488
    Big Mak said:
    Big Mak said:
    Well, I'm thoroughly convinced that nobody, and I mean NOBODY, knows much more than a gnats a$$ of truth or facts about this coronavirus after what happened to my oldest daughter at work last week. Apparently she got word tonight on her way to work that one of the other nurses she worked closely with last week up until Friday is sick with the disease. Of course being a holiday weekend we did the family things and whatnot from Friday to Tuesday so there is that possibility we may have been unknowingly exposed. What is perplexing is that the hospital is scheduling her as if nothing happened. No tests, no extra precautions, no sequestering, nothing. Just come on in, it's business as usual. 

    I would have thought they might be just a little concerned with the potential spreading of this stuff to patients or staff, or maybe even family. I guess they must figure it's not nearly as contagious as we thought. Who freaking knows? NOBODY!

    Not to mention, my wife is a dental hygienist who started back to work two weeks ago. Another position that is highly susceptible for a infection of this nature... It will be a miracle if we don't all get hit with this sheet if it is in fact as the science community and peanut gallery says it is.
    Gives you a bit of a different perspective when you know someone who has it or may have it, doesn't it?
    I'm not really sure my perspective has changed, Tarp. Of course I've always believed this was a serious problem. For sure I don't want it running through my family. If I could snap my fingers and make it disappear I would, but unfortunately I have a feeling I'm about to find out first hand how contagious and how bad this stuff really is. 

    I said months ago, I've either had it or I'm almost certain I will get it. My goal was to keep my family away from it with my own prudent measures. Actually, up until recent weeks, we didn't allow my older daughter to visit, being that she was working in a high risk job. 

    What gets me is here (and I've said this before, too) is the lackadaisical attitudes within the hospitals regarding PPE use and quarantine protocols and standards for their personnel, and in some cases, patients. They should know better, but apparently they do not. Smarter people than me who know allot more about the disease are calling for more proactive, protective measures, but are not practicing what they preach. 

    I asked my daughter how she was feeling this morning. She said fine. I asked her how her sick coworker was doing, and she said they wouldn't tell her. I asked her if they were planning on testing her. Nope.  I told her the medical establishment really doesn't know what in the hell they are dealing with, and she replied, "No, they really don't."  FWIW


    Thanks for the response, Mack.  

    What you said makes a lot of sense to me, but frankly I think there are many, many more people outside the hospitals that are acting too nonchalant about things, and my interactions (admittedly not in a hospital setting) with healthcare workers are that they are being exceedingly careful and very prudent.  Perhaps your experience is different, but I've actually be impressed by my PCP and one specialist that I see with the way they have handled things (remote/video appointments, touch free registration at the office, staying outside instead of in the waiting room, better hygiene and PPE readily available and mandatory use).    

    Moving on....and I don't know about you, but when we had our scare, I definitely became more concerned and careful.

    To wit:  You still letting your daughter visit?


  • dave44dave44 Posts: 10,848 AG
    Just heard that 1 milliliter of Corona blood Is selling for 1000$. Cha **** BBattery!
  • bottom feederbottom feeder Posts: 1,216 Officer
    dave44 said:
    Just heard that 1 milliliter of Corona blood Is selling for 1000$. Cha **** BBattery!
    Is that why the monkeys were stealing it from the lab?

    Leaving Florida... take a developer with you!

  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 11,530 AG
    dave44 said:
    Just heard that 1 milliliter of Corona blood Is selling for 1000$. Cha **** BBattery!
    Is that why the monkeys were stealing it from the lab?
    Was the lab in Minneapolis?

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  • Nick NikonNick Nikon Posts: 2,967 Captain
    edited May 30 #6492

    It's a shocker!

    Who could have predicted it?

    What could possibly have gone wrong?

    Lake of the Ozarks crowd member tests positive for COVID-19

    Posted: May 29, 2020 / 06:33 PM CDT / Updated: May 29, 2020 / 06:34 PM CDT

    Image via KTVI

    CAMDEN COUNTY, Mo. — Remember that Lake of the Ozarks crowd over the Memorial Day Weekend? One of the people who was there later tested positive for COVID-19 according to the Camden County Health Department.

    The Health Department says this person was possibly infectious and likely incubating the illness at the time they were at the lake.

    Below is a list of places the person visited while visiting the Lake of the Ozarks area:

    Saturday, May 23, 2020

    Backwater Jacks: 1 p.m. – 5 p.m.
    Shady Gators and Lazy Gators Pool: 5:40 p.m. – 9 p.m.
    Backwater Jacks 9:40 p.m. – 10 p.m.

    Sunday, May 24

    Buffalo Wild Wings: 1 p.m. – 2 p.m.
    Shady Gators: 2:30 p.m. until 6:30 p.m. -7 p.m.
    Taxi from Shady Gators to private residence around 7 p.m.

    The public who may have been in these places is asked to please monitor for symptoms:

    • fever
    • cough
    • shortness of breath
    • body aches
    • headache
    • nausea, vomiting
    • diarrhea
    • loss of taste or smell

    If you develop symptoms, the Health Department asks for you to contact your physician, and isolate until test results are known and to stay home if you’re sick.

    The Boone County Health Department and other local health departments are working to contact others.

    Suggest a Correction
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,230 AG
    Tarp....last chance to admit you've been wrong.. the numbers are coming out. Mortality will be less than the flu and this has destroyed the lives and livelihoods of millions for nothing.
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 16,987 AG
    Thanks for the chance, I'm good.  lol

    This isn't the flu, no matter how many times you repeat it, and if lives and livelihoods were "destroyed" for "nothing" -- you might look to the leaders of this state, country and, frankly, in the mirror.

    How's your and your GF's endurance these days?  All better?
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,230 AG
    No problems at all.... Same as the other 99.99% who have had it.
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 16,987 AG
    edited May 30 #6496
    99.99%?  You mean except the 101k dead and many times more than that have lung damage and other problems:  https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-some-patients-may-suffer-lasting-lung-damage
    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200513/complications-on-the-road-to-recovery-after-covid

    I'm glad to hear you and the GF are doing well.

  • Bimini_TwistedBimini_Twisted TampaPosts: 1,454 Officer
    and this has destroyed the lives and livelihoods of millions for nothing.
    I'm having a hard time reading the signatures on the emergency declarations, well, I can see Florida's and Georgia's, but I can't quite make out the one in Sharpie marker.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,230 AG
    In all my travels over the last 4 weeks throughout the south and in phone conversations it is stunning to me that when I share my experience, I am told that I am the very first person they have met or talked to that has had it. Not everyone but **** near everyone. Factories, hotels, gas stations, phone calls, other forum groups, airports.... I am the first.  Yup, it's a pandemic.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,230 AG
    The only real measure of this is TOTAL deaths for all reasons, year over year... You have the numbers for that?
  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 11,530 AG
    It's amazing with the numbers a person would be hard pressed to find someone effected by covid other that businesses being shut down.

    Is covid bad?  Relatively speaking yes.  But not nearly as bad as it is portrayed.

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  • joelunchbucketjoelunchbucket Posts: 436 Deckhand
    Someone told them that there really is no water in the glass, and they would believe it, and spin it as they do most anything they're told, no matter how ridiculous. 
      
    They would maintain that position even if you poured it over their head and  drenched them with it.
    Can’t disagree. I noted it quite often about 6-8 years ago. Point at your opponent and accuse them of doing exactly what you’re doing. 

    Some were easily lead. Comical and sad at the same time. 
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,230 AG

    It's a shocker!

    Who could have predicted it?

    What could possibly have gone wrong?

    Lake of the Ozarks crowd member tests positive for COVID-19

    Posted: May 29, 2020 / 06:33 PM CDT / Updated: May 29, 2020 / 06:34 PM CDT

    Image via KTVI

    CAMDEN COUNTY, Mo. — Remember that Lake of the Ozarks crowd over the Memorial Day Weekend? One of the people who was there later tested positive for COVID-19 according to the Camden County Health Department.

    The Health Department says this person was possibly infectious and likely incubating the illness at the time they were at the lake.

    Below is a list of places the person visited while visiting the Lake of the Ozarks area:

    Saturday, May 23, 2020

    Backwater Jacks: 1 p.m. – 5 p.m.
    Shady Gators and Lazy Gators Pool: 5:40 p.m. – 9 p.m.
    Backwater Jacks 9:40 p.m. – 10 p.m.

    Sunday, May 24

    Buffalo Wild Wings: 1 p.m. – 2 p.m.
    Shady Gators: 2:30 p.m. until 6:30 p.m. -7 p.m.
    Taxi from Shady Gators to private residence around 7 p.m.

    The public who may have been in these places is asked to please monitor for symptoms:

    • fever
    • cough
    • shortness of breath
    • body aches
    • headache
    • nausea, vomiting
    • diarrhea
    • loss of taste or smell

    If you develop symptoms, the Health Department asks for you to contact your physician, and isolate until test results are known and to stay home if you’re sick.

    The Boone County Health Department and other local health departments are working to contact others.

    Suggest a Correction
    OMG... someone tested positive. I bet half were positive but never knew it nor did they know when they contracted it..

    Way to let the media manipulate you.

    Get back to us with the death counts from that event.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,230 AG
    Wonder why I haven’t heard about this in the fear mongering media.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 8,649 Admiral
    Tarp....last chance to admit you've been wrong.. the numbers are coming out. Mortality will be less than the flu and this has destroyed the lives and livelihoods of millions for nothing.
    30000+ dead so far. China is lying.  Kill rate is 10+%
    Prudent isn't xenophobic.

    Enjoy the low gas prices for a while

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  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,230 AG
    edited May 30 #6506
    Tarp....last chance to admit you've been wrong.. the numbers are coming out. Mortality will be less than the flu and this has destroyed the lives and livelihoods of millions for nothing.
    30000+ dead so far. China is lying.  Kill rate is 10+%
    Prudent isn't xenophobic.

    Enjoy the low gas prices for a while

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    Changing data warrants changing opinion. 

    Do you lack the ability to adapt based on new knowledge? 
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 16,987 AG
    edited May 30 #6507
    Big Battery said:
    30000+ dead so far. China is lying. Kill rate is 10+% Prudent isn't xenophobic.
    Enjoy the low gas prices for a while
    Watch the US numbers jump right after the Super Bowl.
    Meh, big deal.
    Flu is much worse.
    The kill rate and R0 on CV is way higher. Plus add in transmission without symptoms and you have a real winner. Chinese totally f*cked themselves. They thought they were 1st class but their cultural attitude toward shortcuts is dangerous.

    I would prefer to read between the lines and be ahead of the “it’s just the flu” head in the sand types. Look at the new numbers coming out. It’s jumpedway up just on what China is reporting. Infections outside China have doubled in 5 days. Reports that the virus can live on surfaces for over 9 days. People just need to not be complacent. This thing is many many times worse than the flu.
    Big Battery said:
    Our immune systems have been babied. We have nurtured the weakest gene pools. When it reaches our country and the system gets overwelmed, the rate will be equal to China's.
    Big Battery said:
    Early March the last container of product from China will arrive with nothing else coming in the foreseeable future
    "Last chance to admit you've been wrong." lol
    There have been over 2000 cases of this virus reported and only 58 deaths -- that's a mortality rate south of 3% thusfar.  While nothing to scoff at, I'd say the apocalypse is not yet on the horizon.

      Thanks. I'm still good.
  • johnpowersjohnpowers BayPosts: 2,898 Captain
    Still waiting for the numbers of dead or dying spring breakers. 
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 16,987 AG
    edited May 30 #6509
    Perhaps counting to 104,633 might keep you distracted from asking for the number of dead spring breakers.
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 10,848 AG
    I will bet my sizable butt there weren’t 104,633 dead spring breakers.
  • Bimini_TwistedBimini_Twisted TampaPosts: 1,454 Officer
    I agree that these protesters are being short sighted and irresponsible as it pertains to the virus. Covid-19 doesn't care if your cause is just or not, I think some are going to regret getting so close to other people.
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