DEP Wasting Your Money...AGAIN

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  • Lc-hunter86Lc-hunter86 Posts: 2,927 Captain
    Dems fightin' words chucky lol
  • huntmstrhuntmstr Posts: 6,290 Admiral
    LOL:rotflmao
    Bushnell, Primos and Final Approach Pro Staff. Proud member of the Fab Five, Big Leaugers and Bobble Head 4.

    I had you pissed off at hello.
  • FLDXTFLDXT Posts: 2,521 Captain
    WRONG AGAIN! Key word is "imported"!

    LOL!
  • FLDXTFLDXT Posts: 2,521 Captain
    And it would seem to me if you are so qualified to be a land manager that is what you would do for a living? I mean with all the knowledge you think you posses it would seem that all these people would be knocking down your door to take control of their land?
  • FLDXTFLDXT Posts: 2,521 Captain
  • huntmstrhuntmstr Posts: 6,290 Admiral
    **** ever man, read your regulations again. The fact remains, this project requires vaccination of he bison for TB and brucella.

    As for land management, I do manage several hunting tracts. I manage some very large tracts and some small. How do you know they're not busting down my door.
    Bushnell, Primos and Final Approach Pro Staff. Proud member of the Fab Five, Big Leaugers and Bobble Head 4.

    I had you pissed off at hello.
  • FLDXTFLDXT Posts: 2,521 Captain
  • BuckDaddyBuckDaddy Posts: 644 Officer
    Bison or Burros...To shoot or sterilize... an example from TX .... Hearing some familiar arguments, below..


    Wild burros wreak havoc on Texas ecology
    Updated 12/1/2011 2:53 PM ET
    By Fred Covarrubias, for USA TODAY

    By Rick Jervis, USA TODAY

    ALPINE, Texas — To the residents of this West Texas city, burros are friendly, intelligent animals that make good pets and are engrained in this country's history.

    To state park officials, they're a destructive, invasive menace that cross over from Mexico with disease, foul streams and threaten native plants and wildlife, and should be eliminated. Park rangers have shot and killed more than 120 of the beasts.

    "Our mandate is to eliminate all invasive species we can," says Kevin Good, a special assistant with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, citing burro threats to black hawks, gophers, mule deer and other native species. "That's our priority."


    The tactics are drawing outcries from animal rights activists across the USA. The Washington-based Humane Society of the United States has called for a stop to the killings.

    "It's not a well-thought-out, well-managed program," says Stephanie Boyles, a wildlife scientist with the group.

    The burros — furry, feral cousins to the domesticated donkey — have been crossing over the border from Mexico and into Big Bend Ranch State Park in southwest Texas for years, Good says. Aggressive and territorial, they commandeer watering holes and chase other animals away, he says. They also contaminate the park's natural springs with their droppings. Under the state's ongoing drought, those water sources have become even more precious, Good says.

    Most threatened are the bighorn sheep, whose numbers plummeted in the past two decades and which were reintroduced into the park last year in a conservation effort, Good says.

    Park rangers roaming the 300,000-acre park are empowered to shoot burros with .30-06 or 7mm-caliber rifles, Good says. An estimated 300 burros roam the park. Rangers have killed at least 128 of them, he says.

    "Frankly, it's not something our staff enjoys doing, but it's one of those things we feel just has to be done," Good says.

    Burros also wander into neighboring Big Bend National Park, trampling vegetation and rooting out plants. Federal law protects the burros there, says Raymond Skiles, the park's wildlife biologist. So, park rangers engage in a lengthy — and costly — program of corralling and capturing them, checking for diseases and selling the animals at livestock auctions, he says. "We don't shoot burros," Skiles says.

    The burro killings have sparked a wave of opposition from locals here. Shooting burros is an inhumane practice not backed by research, says Marjorie Farabee of the Wild Burro Protection League, who has mounted a local campaign to save the animals at Big Bend Ranch.

    Brought to North America along with mustangs by Spanish conquistadors in the 16th century, burros helped settlers inhabit vast stretches of the West. Today, burros aid local ranchers by chasing away bobcats, coyotes and other predators, Farabee says.

    Park officials should get a definitive count of the burros and capture and relocate them, not shoot them, she says.

    "It's a wrongheaded approach," Farabee says. "If you take out one species that's had a presence here for 500 years, you can be setting up the collapse of other species."

    State park officials deny allegations that the burros are being killed to protect bighorn sheep for the benefit of hunters, who generate millions of dollars a year in hunting fees. Hunting bighorn sheep is prohibited at Big Bend Ranch State Park, and park officials have no plans to allow it in the near future, Good says.

    In Alpine, "Burro Friendly" stickers appear in the windows of downtown shops and burro talk buzzes through coffee shops. Last month, more than three dozen people attended a pro-burro rally here. A local rancher brought along Liberty, a 5-month-old, gray-furred rescue burro.

    Attendees suggested alternatives to killing burros, including darting and sterilizing them, and read burro-inspired poems. Curtis Imrie, a burro rancher and breeder from Arkansas Valley, Colo., said he would take as many burros as the state would give him.

    "They deserve better than these grotesque killings," he says.

    But the canyon-like terrain of the park and the burros' smart, aggressive nature makes corralling them a challenge, Good says. Three years ago, park officials hired a rescue agency to go into Big Bend and gather as many burros as they could. They failed to trap a single animal, Good says.

    "We certainly don't have the resources to spend a lot of time and effort doing that," he says. "We're struggling to keep park sites open."

    Besides driving other animals away, the burros destroy local vegetation and overwhelm most other species, says Sahotra Sarkar, a professor of integrative biology at the University of Texas in Austin who has studied burros on both sides of the border. Without some reduction, the burro could quickly endanger the bighorn sheep population, he says.

    "They're a threat to the entire ecology of the region," Sarkar says. "Whichever method you choose to deal with it, the problem is very real."
    Posted 11/30/2011 8:56 PM ET
  • swampwalkerswampwalker Posts: 2,359 Captain
    I'd ask folks out west that have a great amount of knowledge with Bison. While it is true they are similar to the ways cows can be handled if acclimated with people - when the bulls want too, they can wreck fences, corrals, trailers and automobiles. Check some old issues of the T. Tribune about 20/25 years ago when some buffs decided they wanted to leave the ranch they were being kept. I believe the critters were shot multiple times and the survivors sold off. No simple solution. Just reading the forum and applying it to the general public, the numbers would predict hunting them would be very unpopular. IMO - 35 buffalo aren't worth it.
    The original - "Renaissance Redneck"
  • binellishtrbinellishtr Posts: 8,797 Admiral
    Rocky Mountain/Paines Prairie Bison Oysters...it's what's for diner

    We'll serve them at the next TNC meeting..then tell them what they just ate!
  • lookinlookin Posts: 1,336 Officer
    BuckDaddy wrote: »
    Bison or Burros...To shoot or sterilize... an example from TX .... Hearing some familiar arguments, below..


    Wild burros wreak havoc on Texas ecology
    Updated 12/1/2011 2:53 PM ET
    By Fred Covarrubias, for USA TODAY

    By Rick Jervis, USA TODAY

    ALPINE, Texas — To the residents of this West Texas city, burros are friendly, intelligent animals that make good pets and are engrained in this country's history.

    To state park officials, they're a destructive, invasive menace that cross over from Mexico with disease, foul streams and threaten native plants and wildlife, and should be eliminated. Park rangers have shot and killed more than 120 of the beasts.

    "Our mandate is to eliminate all invasive species we can," says Kevin Good, a special assistant with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, citing burro threats to black hawks, gophers, mule deer and other native species. "That's our priority."


    The tactics are drawing outcries from animal rights activists across the USA. The Washington-based Humane Society of the United States has called for a stop to the killings.

    "It's not a well-thought-out, well-managed program," says Stephanie Boyles, a wildlife scientist with the group.

    The burros — furry, feral cousins to the domesticated donkey — have been crossing over the border from Mexico and into Big Bend Ranch State Park in southwest Texas for years, Good says. Aggressive and territorial, they commandeer watering holes and chase other animals away, he says. They also contaminate the park's natural springs with their droppings. Under the state's ongoing drought, those water sources have become even more precious, Good says.

    Most threatened are the bighorn sheep, whose numbers plummeted in the past two decades and which were reintroduced into the park last year in a conservation effort, Good says.

    Park rangers roaming the 300,000-acre park are empowered to shoot burros with .30-06 or 7mm-caliber rifles, Good says. An estimated 300 burros roam the park. Rangers have killed at least 128 of them, he says.

    "Frankly, it's not something our staff enjoys doing, but it's one of those things we feel just has to be done," Good says.

    Burros also wander into neighboring Big Bend National Park, trampling vegetation and rooting out plants. Federal law protects the burros there, says Raymond Skiles, the park's wildlife biologist. So, park rangers engage in a lengthy — and costly — program of corralling and capturing them, checking for diseases and selling the animals at livestock auctions, he says. "We don't shoot burros," Skiles says.

    The burro killings have sparked a wave of opposition from locals here. Shooting burros is an inhumane practice not backed by research, says Marjorie Farabee of the Wild Burro Protection League, who has mounted a local campaign to save the animals at Big Bend Ranch.

    Brought to North America along with mustangs by Spanish conquistadors in the 16th century, burros helped settlers inhabit vast stretches of the West. Today, burros aid local ranchers by chasing away bobcats, coyotes and other predators, Farabee says.

    Park officials should get a definitive count of the burros and capture and relocate them, not shoot them, she says.

    "It's a wrongheaded approach," Farabee says. "If you take out one species that's had a presence here for 500 years, you can be setting up the collapse of other species."

    State park officials deny allegations that the burros are being killed to protect bighorn sheep for the benefit of hunters, who generate millions of dollars a year in hunting fees. Hunting bighorn sheep is prohibited at Big Bend Ranch State Park, and park officials have no plans to allow it in the near future, Good says.

    In Alpine, "Burro Friendly" stickers appear in the windows of downtown shops and burro talk buzzes through coffee shops. Last month, more than three dozen people attended a pro-burro rally here. A local rancher brought along Liberty, a 5-month-old, gray-furred rescue burro.

    Attendees suggested alternatives to killing burros, including darting and sterilizing them, and read burro-inspired poems. Curtis Imrie, a burro rancher and breeder from Arkansas Valley, Colo., said he would take as many burros as the state would give him.

    "They deserve better than these grotesque killings," he says.

    But the canyon-like terrain of the park and the burros' smart, aggressive nature makes corralling them a challenge, Good says. Three years ago, park officials hired a rescue agency to go into Big Bend and gather as many burros as they could. They failed to trap a single animal, Good says.

    "We certainly don't have the resources to spend a lot of time and effort doing that," he says. "We're struggling to keep park sites open."

    Besides driving other animals away, the burros destroy local vegetation and overwhelm most other species, says Sahotra Sarkar, a professor of integrative biology at the University of Texas in Austin who has studied burros on both sides of the border. Without some reduction, the burro could quickly endanger the bighorn sheep population, he says.

    "They're a threat to the entire ecology of the region," Sarkar says. "Whichever method you choose to deal with it, the problem is very real."
    Posted 11/30/2011 8:56 PM ET

    Interesting. Apparently, we can't even keep donkeys from crossing the Mexi border....I digress.

    They love their burros over there...must look like donkey from Shrek....all cute and furry with a good sense of humor. If it had big teeth and was ugly they'd say "shoot 'em all". Such is life.

    300,000 acre park and no hunting (at least for big horn sheep)...? sigh.
    God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy
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