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Clay pigeon shooting in St. Johns River

Officer Coker,

While boating this weekend in the St. Johns River between Palatka and the Shands Bridge, I wondered if it is legal to shoot biodegradable White Flyer clay pigeons over the river.....using steel shot, of course. There are several areas in our region that fall within the rules for duck hunting, and may be appropriate for such activity. 

Anyhow, I wanted to ask if this is a lawful or unlawful activity. 

Thank you for your service!

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  • MRichardsonMRichardson Posts: 10,327 AG
    edited September 2019 #2
    They don't answer legal questions for fear of being wrong.  

    Of course, their confident enough in the field to lock you up and seize your gear.  But internetting?  Their lawyers advise against. 
    I have never seen live bones, but I know that they are often used by rich people to decorate the interior.
  • BlueMarlin1010BlueMarlin1010 Posts: 8 Deckhand
    10-4. Thank you MRichardson. 

    Guess I'll stick to shooting at the sporting clay clubs.
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 8,818 Admiral
    I could be wrong but Agent Coker is NOAA, you might find what you need by contacting 
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  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 6,599 Admiral
    edited September 2019 #5
    Good luck getting anyone from the FWC to come here and put any interpretation of the law on the internet. Never seen it happen. They are monitoring  the fishing forums though. Don't post a picture of a 11.999" Yellowtail.

    “Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 8,818 Admiral
    Send them an email they will respond, it might take a few days but they do
  • MRichardsonMRichardson Posts: 10,327 AG
    edited September 2019 #7
    I sent them an email once asking about the legality of shooting a bigfoot while turkey hunting. They replied promptly, stating that since it was not listed as a game species, it would be frowned upon. 
    I have never seen live bones, but I know that they are often used by rich people to decorate the interior.
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 8,818 Admiral
    Did you tell them you felt threatened? 
  • BlueMarlin1010BlueMarlin1010 Posts: 8 Deckhand
    Thank you all. I spoke with a person / officer at the "local" office. She asked if I intended on collecting all of the pieces from the biodegradable clay pigeons I shot....which my reply was no. She then said if I didn't pick up all of the pieces, the activity would be illegal.

    I mentioned there are several sporting clay facilities (licensed businesses) that shoot over water, and even marshes on the ICW. I think they make an effort to collect pieces, but its impossible to collect them all. She seemed perplexed, but stayed committed to it be illegal. 

    At this point, I think it would be up to the interpretation of the officer. Regardless, I'm not sure its worth the fun. I'll stick to shooting at my local club. 

    Thanks again to everyone who took time to read my post and post a reply. 

    Cheers to tight lines and no bigfoots. 
  • yellowdogyellowdog Posts: 151 Deckhand
    I asked the same question of my local warden here in eastern NC. He said as long as the pigeons were biodegradable, I was good to go. Shells were not required to be steel as we were not waterfowl hunting. He also said we could shoot them from our boat dock. We are in a fairly remote area so hitting a neighbors dock/boat would not be a factor. 
  • FishingpervertFishingpervert Deltona, FloridaPosts: 1,010 Officer
    edited March 26 #11
  • JonsredfishinJonsredfishin Posts: 2,108 Captain
    edited March 11 #12
    Since I sometimes fish that area, I'll say it might not be recommended, but thank you for NOT.  I've had shotgun pellets rain down on me from duck hunters.  I saw the duck coming in, knew what was going to happen.  A hunter, aiming and trying to being down a meal.  Nothing I can do about that, other than to blow my whistle to let them know I am in THAT direction and hope they don't shoot that way again.

    But having a clay suddenly appear over my head, know what's coming next ... some "quick draw McGraw" swinging a shotgun my way and blasting away?  No thank you.
    So those duck hunters had probably been there since the middle of the night to hunt that spot and then your dumba$$ and your whistle come along while knowing that you were in their way. That’s called hunter harassment if you and your whistle don’t move along. You can google that too. 
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  • FishingpervertFishingpervert Deltona, FloridaPosts: 1,010 Officer
    edited March 26 #13
  • SaltygatorvetSaltygatorvet TallahasseePosts: 5,391 Admiral
    Since I sometimes fish that area, I'll say it might not be recommended, but thank you for NOT.  I've had shotgun pellets rain down on me from duck hunters.  I saw the duck coming in, knew what was going to happen.  A hunter, aiming and trying to being down a meal.  Nothing I can do about that, other than to blow my whistle to let them know I am in THAT direction and hope they don't shoot that way again.

    But having a clay suddenly appear over my head, know what's coming next ... some "quick draw McGraw" swinging a shotgun my way and blasting away?  No thank you.
    So those duck hunters had probably been there since the middle of the night to hunt that spot and then your dumba$$ and your whistle come along while knowing that you were in their way. That’s called hunter harassment if you and your whistle don’t move along. You can google that too. 
    Exactly 
    You should have been here yesterday
  • SaltygatorvetSaltygatorvet TallahasseePosts: 5,391 Admiral
    So those duck hunters had probably been there since the middle of the night to hunt that spot and then your dumba$$  and your whistle come along while knowing that you were in their way. That’s called hunter harassment if you and your whistle don’t move along. You can google that too. 
    Actually, dumba$$, I wasn't "in their way".
    They were on one side of a finger of grasses, I was on the other.  They didn't have any decoys or indications on my side.  I was also far enough away from them that, as I said, the pellets "rained down on me".  I wasn't fired at, I was just downrange of them.  Neither they nor I knew the other was there until then.
    So ... don't ASSume you know what the situation was.
    You said the duck came in and you knew what was going to happen. So you must have known they were there. 
    You should have been here yesterday
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