Could this start a war?

johnpowersjohnpowers BayPosts: 713 Officer
Seems like something from a movie but it’s not. 
 Imagine using leaders or other politicians in this. 
 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywyxex/deepfake-of-mark-zuckerberg-facebook-fake-video-policy

 I think it was Mark Twain who said something like, A lie will get halfway around the world before the truth gets it’s shoes on. 
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  • gandrfabgandrfab Posts: 20,140 AG
    Just for one example. This is why the nukes are not just a push button away from being launched. 
    :BUNNY gestapo

  • Fish HaidFish Haid Posts: 8,218 Admiral
    War?  Maybe not, but remember the Orson Welles' hysteria.  If enough people believe a hoax, it can lead to mayhem.
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  • ferris1248ferris1248 Posts: 3,439 Moderator
    Doubtful a war. But they need to handle it properly and publicize it so the majority will know it's fake.


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  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 8,011 Admiral
    Deepfakes are cool.

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  • johnpowersjohnpowers BayPosts: 713 Officer
    kellercl said:
    FS is literally the only social media I participate on.  I think social media is stupid.  Social media is for a bunch of people who can't think for themselves and require external validation.    

    On a unrelated note, if this post isn't "liked" I will have a bad day.  :(
    I tried to give you two likes.  :)
  • kellerclkellercl Posts: 3,854 Captain
    kellercl said:
    FS is literally the only social media I participate on.  I think social media is stupid.  Social media is for a bunch of people who can't think for themselves and require external validation.    

    On a unrelated note, if this post isn't "liked" I will have a bad day.  :(
    I tried to give you two likes.  :)
    Now I feel special and can succeed at life!  Thanks John!!!
  • johnpowersjohnpowers BayPosts: 713 Officer
    kellercl said:
    kellercl said:
    FS is literally the only social media I participate on.  I think social media is stupid.  Social media is for a bunch of people who can't think for themselves and require external validation.    

    On a unrelated note, if this post isn't "liked" I will have a bad day.  :(
    I tried to give you two likes.  :)
    Now I feel special and can succeed at life!  Thanks John!!!
    That’s why I’m here. 
  • cadmancadman Home of the Gators Posts: 26,350 AG
    edited June 12 #10
    Huh? Am I missing something? How could it start a war? All he talks about is spectra and stealing data? Does anyone believe that some countries leaders are going to believe this? Were you joking?

    If it was true and not a fake, the worst thing that would happen would be the CIA would go after him and make him disappear for interfering with their mission.  :)

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  • GardawgGardawg Posts: 8,000 Admiral
    edited June 12 #11
    Well I can tell you one thing. If you get a link to  Hillary  compting in a cornhole contest then DON'T watch it. 
    You'll have bad dreams afterward.  And I ain't talking the wet kind.
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  • SpineymanSpineyman Posts: 8,015 Admiral
    cadman said:
     

    If it was true and not a fake, the worst thing that would happen would be the CIA would go after him and make him disappear for interfering with their mission.  :)
    And that would be a bad thing?
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  • johnpowersjohnpowers BayPosts: 713 Officer
    cadman said:
    Huh? Am I missing something? How could it start a war? All he talks about is spectra and stealing data? Does anyone believe that some countries leaders are going to believe this? Were you joking?

    If it was true and not a fake, the worst thing that would happen would be the CIA would go after him and make him disappear for interfering with their mission.  :)
    No your right, a guy like zuckerburg won’t. But, a president or other leader could riles up the masses. 
     Maybe the word  war is to harsh but riots or other social upheavals would be more like it. 
  • cadmancadman Home of the Gators Posts: 26,350 AG
    I doubt it. Most people would wait to see if it was true or just some made up media BS. This kind of activity has been going on long before the internet and it seldom start riots or social upheaval. There might be a few calls to local authorities or an increase in social media activity until the facts calmed it down. 

    Fish Haid mentioned the Orson Wells hysteria, which was not hysteria or even a panic. The panic story was created to hype the show even more. The only people who got upset were some  locals. The show wasn't even that popular when it aired. The panic story itself was fake media to hype a fake media event. 

    That was why Orson Wells was considered to be so brilliant in the art. 


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  • Grouper GeniusGrouper Genius Posts: 1,291 Officer
    cadman said:
    I doubt it. Most people would wait to see if it was true or just some made up media BS. This kind of activity has been going on long before the internet and it seldom start riots or social upheaval. There might be a few calls to local authorities or an increase in social media activity until the facts calmed it down. 

    Fish Haid mentioned the Orson Wells hysteria, which was not hysteria or even a panic. The panic story was created to hype the show even more. The only people who got upset were some  locals. The show wasn't even that popular when it aired. The panic story itself was fake media to hype a fake media event. 

    That was why Orson Wells was considered to be so brilliant in the art. 


    That part cracks me up. 
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  • Bimini TwistedBimini Twisted Posts: 11,245 AG
    Will make it easier to claim that the pp tape is a fake.
  • johnpowersjohnpowers BayPosts: 713 Officer
    edited June 12 #17
    Cad, you cannot be serious?
     Internet stories have no traction? 
    There are so many false stories that many took for the truth and still believe. 
     Even before the internet there were many like the Tonkin Gulf incident. At least before the internet there were editorial boards that could (if they wanted to) filter out the false reporting. 
  • Conchy CritterConchy Critter Posts: 2,055 Captain
    cadman said:
    I doubt it. Most people would wait to see if it was true or just some made up media BS. This kind of activity has been going on long before the internet and it seldom start riots or social upheaval. There might be a few calls to local authorities or an increase in social media activity until the facts calmed it down. 

    Fish Haid mentioned the Orson Wells hysteria, which was not hysteria or even a panic. The panic story was created to hype the show even more. The only people who got upset were some  locals. The show wasn't even that popular when it aired. The panic story itself was fake media to hype a fake media event. 

    That was why Orson Wells was considered to be so brilliant in the art. 


    That part cracks me up. 
    Agree
  • cadmancadman Home of the Gators Posts: 26,350 AG
    edited June 13 #19
    Cad, you cannot be serious?
     Internet stories have no traction? 
    There are so many false stories that many took for the truth and still believe. 
     Even before the internet there were many like the Tonkin Gulf incident. At least before the internet there were editorial boards that could (if they wanted to) filter out the false reporting. 
    I was responding to a comment that it would cause riots and social upheaval would happen over a fake video. I don't doubt some would believe it and claim it was true. But people would not flood the streets in a riot or major upheaval over a fake video. Most people are smart enough to look for verification to see if this a real or fake. 

    Heck there are sovereign citizen idiots who believe state laws don't apply to them. There are flat earth believers. There are people who think lizard aliens control everything,  There will always be a small segment of society that will believe something out of left field that just isn't true or reality. But there isn't going to be some social upheaval over it. 

    Heck, over the years on this forum I have seen 100 of fake news stories or claims get posted. 3 or 4 people will respond thinking it is true, but by the 6th or 7th post somebody is pointing out  it is not real and showing the evidence why it is fake. It would be similar with a fake video on social media, a few would get upset then the truth would be pointed out and most would realize they got faked. A few fools would still believe like fools do, 

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  • MRichardsonMRichardson Posts: 7,297 Admiral
    Despite all the fun we like to make of them, Millenials and Gen Z'ers are much more skeptical of what the media (any media) tells them.  Yeah, they think  you're favorite news source is propaganda.  Which it is.  But they also realize that what Hollywood and the cable channels is the same.  They may be more touchy feely, celebrating diversity in skinny jeans and man buns and living life but they are also far less likely to be influenced to the extent that we Gen X, Gen Y think they are.  
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 8,371 Admiral
    cadman said:
    Cad, you cannot be serious?
     Internet stories have no traction? 
    There are so many false stories that many took for the truth and still believe. 
     Even before the internet there were many like the Tonkin Gulf incident. At least before the internet there were editorial boards that could (if they wanted to) filter out the false reporting. 
    I was responding to a comment that it would cause riots and social upheaval would happen over a fake video. I don't doubt some would believe it and claim it was true. But people would not flood the streets in a riot or major upheaval over a fake video. Most people are smart enough to look for verification to see if this a real or fake. 

    Heck there are sovereign citizen idiots who believe state laws don't apply to them. There are flat earth believers. There are people who think lizard aliens control everything,  There will always be a small segment of society that will believe something out of left field that just isn't true or reality. But there isn't going to be some social upheaval over it. 

    Heck, over the years on this forum I have seen 100 of fake news stories or claims get posted. 3 or 4 people will respond thinking it is true, but by the 6th or 7th post somebody is pointing out  it is not real and showing the evidence why it is fake. It would be similar with a fake video on social media, a few would get upset then the truth would be pointed out and most would realize they got faked. A few fools would still believe like fools do, 
    I rate this a “ somewhat true”.
  • spanglerspangler daBurgPosts: 1,322 Officer
    It's a problem.  Used to be that video was incontrovertible.  As this new tech gets better (won't take long), we won't even be able to have video 'proof' of something.  Although the above posted video is pretty clearly a fake to me, check out this one

    The video even actually morphs his face, ever so slightly, into Schwarzenegger's.  For added impact.
    On the other hand, it might bring back critical thinking...

  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 11,961 AG
    edited June 13 #23
    42% of this forum believed a presidential candidate had Parkinson's.  How'd that work out?

    Never underestimate the stupidity or gullibility of those who want confirmation of their beliefs and lack the critical thinking ability to separate fact from fiction.
  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 4,462 Captain
    edited June 13 #24
    50% of Americans still believe that a presidential candidate colluded with Russia. How'd that work out?


    Never underestimate the stupidity or gullibility of those who want confirmation of their beliefs and lack the critical thinking ability to separate fact from fiction.

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  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 8,011 Admiral
    spangler said:
    It's a problem.  Used to be that video was incontrovertible.  As this new tech gets better (won't take long), we won't even be able to have video 'proof' of something.  Although the above posted video is pretty clearly a fake to me, check out this one

    The video even actually morphs his face, ever so slightly, into Schwarzenegger's.  For added impact.
    On the other hand, it might bring back critical thinking...

    That's the video that led to me learning about the deepfake term.   I love the Buschemi one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1jng79a5xc


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  • spanglerspangler daBurgPosts: 1,322 Officer
    edited June 13 #26
    ^oh that's great, I was laughing before she/he even started talking.  Now, I'm anxiously waiting for a deep fake adult film of Jessica Biel and a few of the victoria's secret models :smiley:

    'adult film' bc p o r n was censored lol
  • cadmancadman Home of the Gators Posts: 26,350 AG
    edited June 13 #27
    Is porno is allowed?

    I tried to edit this and the filter blocked my entire comment. 

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  • johnpowersjohnpowers BayPosts: 713 Officer
    spangler said:
    It's a problem.  Used to be that video was incontrovertible.  As this new tech gets better (won't take long), we won't even be able to have video 'proof' of something.  Although the above posted video is pretty clearly a fake to me, check out this one

    The video even actually morphs his face, ever so slightly, into Schwarzenegger's.  For added impact.
    On the other hand, it might bring back critical thinking...

    Your right about the old saying, “pictures don’t lie” being outdated. 
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 11,961 AG
    edited June 13 #29
    50% of Americans still believe that a presidential candidate colluded with Russia. How'd that work out?


    Never underestimate the stupidity or gullibility of those who want confirmation of their beliefs and lack the critical thinking ability to separate fact from fiction.

    :)
    I don't know that 50% of Americans believed that -- more like suspected -- but it worked out in a Special Council being appointed.  Perhaps you've heard about it.

    :)
  • MRichardsonMRichardson Posts: 7,297 Admiral
    That's weak
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 6,525 Admiral
    50% of Americans still believe that a presidential candidate colluded with Russia. How'd that work out?


    Never underestimate the stupidity or gullibility of those who want confirmation of their beliefs and lack the critical thinking ability to separate fact from fiction.

    :)
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/06/trump-welcomes-foreign-interference-2020-campaign/591589/
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