Lesser or greater?

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  • JepoJepo Palm Beach GardensPosts: 38 Greenhorn
    Or something else?  
  • justintimejustintime Posts: 57 Greenhorn
    Banded rudder?
    Or Equal? Hybrid?  
    Were gonna need a DNA sample. 
  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 5,119 Admiral
    edited May 7 #5
    Maxilla looks like a lesser to me. On Rudderfish you usually see some  of the bands although very feint and small white tips on the tail.

    “Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  • JepoJepo Palm Beach GardensPosts: 38 Greenhorn
    Well it tasted good, whatever it was :)
  • justintimejustintime Posts: 57 Greenhorn
    I would like to keep this thread going because I too have unanswered questions about the greater/lesser/ banded issue.
    ive caught many rudderfish, or what I assumed was, and never noticed the white tip. I have been told ruddefish have a slot size limit but the FWC site  currently doesn’t list any info . I’m beginning to wonder if the fish we call banded rudder is infact a lesser amberjack and calling it a rudderfish is a way to bypass regulations? Even more confusing is on the fish rules app under lesser amberjack they show a picture of what appears to be an almoco jack?
    https://fishrulesapp.com/fish/2/Amberjack,%20Lesser
    Can someone help clear things ups ?

  • clarkefishingclarkefishing Pompano Beach, FLPosts: 9 Greenhorn
    Not Banded Rudderfish, not Almaco. I don't believe it's a Lesser. Almost looks like a really small Greater AJ. 

    Point is, we don't know, and I believe in the Atlantic waters Greater AJs need to be at least 28" to the fork. Call me a jerk, but it's incredibly stupid to keep fish when you don't know the regulations or even not sure what the species is. No one here knows for sure the species, and a lot of actual FWC or marine officers can't tell the difference between an AJ and an Almaco. They can easily pull you over and write you a ticket for having an illegal fish. Not worth it.
  • JepoJepo Palm Beach GardensPosts: 38 Greenhorn
    Jerk...  (lighten up, just because I showed a pic doesn't mean I didn't have info prior to taking, just might not have been good info)  Just started a conversation about a fish that is always a controversy!  

    I am sure you are "holier than thou", and never took a fish that you shouldn't have!    ;)

    clarkefishing said:
    Not Banded Rudderfish, not Almaco. I don't believe it's a Lesser. Almost looks like a really small Greater AJ. 

    Point is, we don't know, and I believe in the Atlantic waters Greater AJs need to be at least 28" to the fork. Call me a jerk, but it's incredibly stupid to keep fish when you don't know the regulations or even not sure what the species is. No one here knows for sure the species, and a lot of actual FWC or marine officers can't tell the difference between an AJ and an Almaco. They can easily pull you over and write you a ticket for having an illegal fish. Not worth it.

  • BarrellBarrell Posts: 1,193 Officer
    edited May 11 #11
    I think its a lessor but really need to see a close up of the face.If it has no black eye stripe its a banded rudder. If it does have a black eye stripe; The black eye stripe starts behind the eye on a lessor. The stripe starts at the nose and extends through the eye on a greater. Almaco has a taller body shape and and the dorsal fin starts real high creating a spike.
  • CountryBumpkinCountryBumpkin Fla. Piney WoodsPosts: 1,451 Officer
    edited May 12 #12
    Greater AJ..........zoom in on photo and no scutes are present at base of tail. Not rudderfish as noted in above post no white tips on tail & rudderfish lips are thick and rubbery looking. Like a permits lips look rubbery compared to pompano, the rudderfish lips look rubbery compared to the other AJ's.

    I say......I say son.......new & improved my tail feathers.

  • Roc N RolRoc N Rol Posts: 1,351 Officer
    Hard to tell with that picture, 2 ways to tell the black stripe that starts at dorsal fin stops at eye of lesser AJ and goes past the eye of greater. Look at 1st gill the greater has around 20 finger like rakes and the lesser has around 25. The greater rakes don't go all the way to the connection point of jaw but the lesser they do go all the way to jawbone 
  • IntheslotIntheslot Posts: 336 Deckhand
    So you harvest a fish that you don't know what it is, post it, and then berate someone who was far more politely than necessary called you on your folly.

    Please sir I emplore you to be a better steward of our resources and example for others.   
  • JepoJepo Palm Beach GardensPosts: 38 Greenhorn
    Another jerk that doesn’t have the full back story.   Thanks for showing your arrogance!!! 
  • JepoJepo Palm Beach GardensPosts: 38 Greenhorn
    It’s called sarcasm, you must be fun at parties!
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 7,426 Admiral
    Jepo said:
    Another jerk that doesn’t have the full back story.   Thanks for showing your arrogance!!! 
    So what part of the story are we missing?
    you kept a fish you had no idea what it was then posted it on the internet asking what it was, then got upset when you were called out on it,
    did I leave any thing out?
  • JepoJepo Palm Beach GardensPosts: 38 Greenhorn
    Try reading the whole thread carefully and let me know if you have any trouble with the big words...  Lonely life we lead, huh?
  • pottydocpottydoc The thriving metropolis of Umatilla Posts: 3,459 Captain
    You guys need to read a little more carefully. No where does he say he, or anyone that as with him, caught the fish. Maybe it as a guy at the fish cleaning table. Or a neighbor. Or someone sent he pic to him. Y’all are the same folks that see a pc with 25 dolphin and row guys in it, and crucify the poster for being over the limit. Never thinking that most likely whoever took the pic was on the boat with the guys in the pic. This kind of crap is one of the reasons this Forum, and especially this section of it, is a hollow shell of what it was.

  • K-DawgK-Dawg Posts: 215 Deckhand
    I kant reed big werds.

    My vote would be lesser based on maxilla shape and location vs eye, and location/shape of fins.
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 7,426 Admiral
    pottydoc said:
    You guys need to read a little more carefully. No where does he say he, or anyone that as with him, caught the fish. Maybe it as a guy at the fish cleaning table. Or a neighbor. Or someone sent he pic to him. Y’all are the same folks that see a pc with 25 dolphin and row guys in it, and crucify the poster for being over the limit. Never thinking that most likely whoever took the pic was on the boat with the guys in the pic. This kind of crap is one of the reasons this Forum, and especially this section of it, is a hollow shell of what it was.

    So he posted that it "tasted good" and "I am sure you are "holier than thou", and never took a fish that you shouldn't have! "

    Did I miss any of the big words 
  • JepoJepo Palm Beach GardensPosts: 38 Greenhorn
    You are a putz...  "(lighten up, just because I showed a pic doesn't mean I didn't have info prior to taking, just might not have been good info)"     Have you ever got bad info?   Time to get life and move on to another post.. This was about education and starting a conversation to learn.  Obviously, you weren't able to comprehend... Glad you got the big words!
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 7,426 Admiral
    ignorantia juris non excusat
  • CountryBumpkinCountryBumpkin Fla. Piney WoodsPosts: 1,451 Officer
    Upon thoughtful reflection and careful consideration, I have changed my mind.
    Now it definitely just looks like jewfish bait to me. ;)

    I say......I say son.......new & improved my tail feathers.

  • Soda PopinskiSoda Popinski GrovelandPosts: 11,155 AG
    I'm throwing everything back that isn't a grunt anymore. Hell i'm not sure my bait is legal. 
    People use statistics the way a drunk uses a street light, for support rather than illumination.
  • JepoJepo Palm Beach GardensPosts: 38 Greenhorn
    Thank you to those who understand :)
  • pottydocpottydoc The thriving metropolis of Umatilla Posts: 3,459 Captain
    Jepo said:
    Thank you to those who understand :)
    Don’t worry about the haters. Most of them can’t tell the difference between a grunt and a grouper. 
  • dragon baitdragon bait Posts: 7,426 Admiral
  • IntheslotIntheslot Posts: 336 Deckhand
    Dunno, got an undersize greater AJ dead on a cleaning table... what could possibly be the "backstory" that us bumpkins missed that some how makes sense of it all. And please do use small words.

    Everyone has made mistakes. What happens next is either contrition and acceptance of the correction/education to improve sportmanship or continuing to be a @#%.

     
  • pottydocpottydoc The thriving metropolis of Umatilla Posts: 3,459 Captain
    The back story could easily be its laying on his neighbors cleaning bench. He didn’t say he caught it. Most likely he did, and politely informing him about it is fine. That’s what a couple folks did. Another bunch decided to give him h e l l for it. That’s is absolutely a big part of why people left here. I’ve heard it directly from folks who were long time members. That was my issue with the posts from the bunch of perfect people on here who have never screwed up. 
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