Another UCF vs LSU thread

cadman

FlatsMatt96 said:

UCF will continue to do well in any conference they move into, I will admit they might need an adjustment season but they will end up dominating the conference. UCF is a great team with a great future ahead of them and one day you will all see that you were all wrong. UCF will end up being a consistent power house once they move into a better conference. If UF offered 1 game worth more then just 350,00, UCF should take it. UCF will be a juggernaut. I stand by my statements. Are we done now? 

You are delusional. What is so unique about UCF that makes them that good? It isn't their coach. If they get a great coach he will leave for a college that can pay more, as Scott left. It isn't their facilities. UCF is raising $30 mil to upgrade their facilities. FSU is spending $100 million and UF is spending $130 million and both are way ahead of UCF currently. Why would top recruits want to go to UCF? 

What is it. specifically, that you think will propel UCF to dominate any conference they join?

FlatsMatt96

The fact that they are located in sunny central florida, 30 mins max from everything most people could ever want, the fact that it is the second largest campus and student body in the nation, the fact that they get so much money from boosters and tuition and etc that they could afford to purchase three stadiums and the land for them. Oh and UCF also brings in money for the local economy which pleases the government on a side note. UCF has plenty to offer. There is nothing they couldnt offer. You read that right. Just because UCF doesnt show it doesnt mean they dont have it. UCF will soon be putting out more graduate students then most other universities, which means more TV time because those fans want to watch their team play, which means maximum national exposure. UCF has plenty to offer. I dont know why you underestimate them so much. I go to UCF, its an amazing university, I am on scholarship. You really think a university like UCF, that has everything it could ever want, couldnt pump out a national contender football program? Thats laughable! UCF is just getting started. Again FBS for only 20 years and look what they have accomplished. Thats not a feat of a weak university. 

pottydoc

Welcome to fantasy island

2amigo

UCF should sell that secret on how to dominate a conference.  I mean what, they have dominated their conference for 2 WHOLE years.   Their AD must be a genius and every other major University is probably after him as we speak.  Many colleges have tried to dominate a conference .  Apparently for UCF, it will be easy. 

Saltygatorvet

FlatsMatt96 said:

Not of LSU caliber but we have played plenty of power 5 teams and won. No I really believe that had UCF played better they could have whooped up on that LSU team. I am not calling them a juggernaut, I am calling them a future juggernaut. 

Ha, Future juggernaut. Thanks Matt, I needed a laugh this morning 

FlatsMatt96

UCF has dominated the American conference, the conference was formed in 2013, since 2013 UCF probably has 4 or 5 conference champions. I dont know about you, but that sounds like dominating a conference to me. I dont know why y'all hate on UCF so much. If y'all just say okay, we can move on.

conchydong

Matt, I don't think anyone hates UCF, and I bet most of us, like me, rooted for them to win against LSU. You just have to be realistic. They haven't proved that they can play with the big boys, game after game, year after year. I wish you luck but if UCF slides downward next year, don't be surprised. 
UF, FSU, Miami all have had major ups and downs, it is just the way things go. 

Good luck to you. 

Saltygatorvet

FlatsMatt96 said:

UCF has dominated the American conference, the conference was formed in 2013, since 2013 UCF probably has 4 or 5 conference champions. I dont know about you, but that sounds like dominating a conference to me. I dont know why y'all hate on UCF so much. If y'all just say okay, we can move on.

Dominated which conference, I don’t think I’ve heard of the American conference. Is that division 1?

HomerSimpson

FlatsMatt96 said:

Just because UCF doesnt show it doesnt mean they dont have it

true, but if you want to be recognized you have to show it.

FlatsMatt96 said:

You really think a university like UCF, that has everything it could ever want, couldnt pump out a national contender football program?

if they have the money and want to spend it, they could. But it will take a long time of proving. And they are gonna have to start by playing teams and moving conferences. also.....if they have all that money why are they refusing to play a game because they will only make $350k???? They got plenty of money, a UF game is considered an investment.....what's the deal???

FlatsMatt96 said:

UCF has dominated the American conference, the conference was formed in 2013, since 2013 UCF probably has 4 or 5 conference champions. I dont know about you, but that sounds like dominating a conference to me. I dont know why y'all hate on UCF so much. If y'all just say okay, we can move on.

4, and 1 was a co-championship. the years they didn't win were losing records. They are hit-n-miss

cracker4112

1. Texas: $214.8 million
2. Texas A&M: $212 million
3. Ohio State: $185.4 million
4. Michigan: $185.1 million
5. Alabama: $174.3 million
6. Georgia: $157.9 million
7. Oklahoma: $155.2 million
8. Florida: $149.2 million
9. LSU: $147.7 million
10. Auburn: $147.5 million
11. Tennessee $145.7 million
12. Oregon: $145.4 million
13. Florida State: $144.5 million
14. Penn State: $144 million
15. Wisconsin: $143.4 million
16. South Carolina: $136 million
17. Notre Dame: 132.4 million*
18. Kentucky: $130.7 million
19. Iowa: $130.7 million
20. Arkansas: $129.7 million
21. Washington: $128.7 million
22. Michigan State: $126 million
23. Louisville: $120 million
24: Nebraska: $120.2 million
25. Ole Miss: $117.8 million
26. Minnesota: $116.3 million
27. USC: $113.2 million*

28. Clemson: $112.6 million

This list is all the programs who bring in more money than Clemson, the last team other than Bama to win a NC.  UCF? 57. Central Florida $56.3 million

pottydoc

conchydong said:

Matt, I don't think anyone hates UCF, and I bet most of us, like me, rooted for them to win against LSU. You just have to be realistic. They haven't proved that they can play with the big boys, game after game, year after year. I wish you luck but if UCF slides downward next year, don't be surprised. 
UF, FSU, Miami all have had major ups and downs, it is just the way things go. 

Good luck to you. 

This. And, dominating a conference that has exactly zero good teams in it doesn’t mean crap. You’re not being realistic, Matt. Being a fan doesn’t make unsupported claims come true. UCF has a 34% record with P5 teams over the last 10 years.that hardly supports your claim that they can play successfully with them. You boys put up a couple good years. They’ve got to do that consistently against a lot better schools to get the respect they want. Not too many years ago Fresno State and Boise State did the same thing. Now they seldom crack the top 25. There’s nothing that suggest UCF will do differently. 

2amigo

Yea PottyDoc, but Fresno state and Boise were never labeled "Juggernauts".  See. that's the difference. 

Sorry Matt.  Have to bust chops here a little.

conchydong

I wonder how UCF would have fared last season against the Yellow Jackets had it not been canceled? Not an easy team to defend unless you are use to playing them. Even then. 

tankard

I absolutely did NOT root for UCF against LSU.

They needed to be put in their place.

I used to like them till the past couple years when they got too big for their britches and, rather pathetically, issued themselves a NC.

Nope. Doesn't work like that.

cadman

FlatsMatt96 said:

The fact that they are located in sunny central florida, 30 mins max from everything most people could ever want, the fact that it is the second largest campus and student body in the nation, the fact that they get so much money from boosters and tuition and etc that they could afford to purchase three stadiums and the land for them. Oh and UCF also brings in money for the local economy which pleases the government on a side note. UCF has plenty to offer. There is nothing they couldnt offer. You read that right. Just because UCF doesnt show it doesnt mean they dont have it. UCF will soon be putting out more graduate students then most other universities, which means more TV time because those fans want to watch their team play, which means maximum national exposure. UCF has plenty to offer. I dont know why you underestimate them so much. I go to UCF, its an amazing university, I am on scholarship. You really think a university like UCF, that has everything it could ever want, couldnt pump out a national contender football program? Thats laughable! UCF is just getting started. Again FBS for only 20 years and look what they have accomplished. Thats not a feat of a weak university. 

Um, there is many incorrect statements there, but let me clarify one glaring falsehood. Your boosters only contribute $59 mil a year to your program (2017 figures). UF brings in $140 mil a year.  $59 mil isn't near enough to build a 10th of a stadium, much less 3 of them. 

UCF is ranked 165 in national universities. UF is ranked 35th. UF is the 8th ranked public university. 

I don't underestimate them, I just realize the facts of the situation. They are not on the level of UF or FSU or Miami. 

pottydoc

Matt, you should probably quit quoting stats without checking them first. Obvious mistakes like those above and on other posts and threads don’t help,your cause. 

FishInFL

If these people were around during the time when UF and FSU started they football programs, they would have hated on them for thinking they would be big programs.  It takes time and a concerted effort to do so, which UCF is making that effort.  Just takes time and must join a P5 for the money to help, which is what UCF wants.

cadman

FishInFL said:

If these people were around during the time when UF and FSU started they football programs, they would have hated on them for thinking they would be big programs.  It takes time and a concerted effort to do so, which UCF is making that effort.  Just takes time and must join a P5 for the money to help, which is what UCF wants.

Some day UCF might become a major football program, but that is a long long way off. FSU had five seasons of 10 plus wins before they joined the ACC and they had Bobby Bowden. UCF has had two seasons and their fans are claiming they are a juggernaut and will beat any power 5 team ans rule any conference they are in. 

UF spent decades building their program to where it is today. Alabama spent decades getting to the level they are at. All three spent billions building these programs, 

I am not hating on UCF, I wish them all the luck and hope they join a power 5 in a few years, but their fans are delusional thinking they are some huge college that is going to dominate any conference they join based on a couple of good years in a second tier conference. It will take them another decade just to get the financial level of most big programs in the Power 5, Maybe, if they keep growing and developing, they might become a major player in a power 5, but they have a lot of work ahead of them to get there and it won't happen overnight. 

FishInFL

It’s been more than two seasons but I get the overall sentiment.  As a UCF fan, most of us are frustrated how unjust this sport and are bringing the noise. Boise State and others have been here before and nothing changed for them or others, so UCF is taking a different angle.  Unjust being - a non P5 conference so will always have a poor SoS system as most G5 teams aren’t trying or can’t afford to be top25 football.  We need home games for money so not going to hit the road like others did back in the day, the economics changed.  With all this being said, it’s crazy being in any sport where you can win that many games straight and not get consideration for a championship. The noise may have helped and a lot of talk about an expanded playoff whether it’s just will be a differ story.  The NCAA needs to get involved and stop selling out the fans for the money

treemanjohn

Anyone know what time the UCF parade is next week?

cadman

FishInFL said:

It’s been more than two seasons but I get the overall sentiment.  

Yes, it was only two seasons, 3 if you include 2013, but they had 3 bad seasons in between.
2018 UCF was 12-1
2017 UCF was 13-0
2016 UCF was 6-7
2015 UCF was 0-12
2014 UCF was 9-4
2013 UCF was 12-1

They are 52-25 in the AAC,

Saltygatorvet

FishInFL said:

If these people were around during the time when UF and FSU started they football programs, they would have hated on them for thinking they would be big programs.  It takes time and a concerted effort to do so, which UCF is making that effort.  Just takes time and must join a P5 for the money to help, which is what UCF wants.

When Bobby Bowden was trying to turn FSU into a major program, he played Nebraska on the road 4 years in a row . No home and home, no 2 for 1. He knew he had to play some bigger teams to become relevant. He knew the big schools didn’t need lowly FSU. So he scheduled them on the road 4 years in a row. And Notre Dame and Florida....

pottydoc

FishInFL said:

If these people were around during the time when UF and FSU started they football programs, they would have hated on them for thinking they would be big programs.  It takes time and a concerted effort to do so, which UCF is making that effort.  Just takes time and must join a P5 for the money to help, which is what UCF wants.

I don’t think there’s one person on here that hates UCF. What we don’t like is the attitude that the fans have, that two seasons playing teams that no one would call top, or even mid level, makes them anywhere on the same level as the top tier schools. And, the fact that UCF expects people to ignore their SOS, and give them an easy way to the playoffs. Two years proves nothing. Keep it up season after season, after season, then you’ll get the respect that UF, FSU, UM, Alabama, Michigan, OSU, and the rest have. And, quit trying to claim you were co Champs last year. You didn’t even make the playoffs, and the NCAA certainly didn’t recognize you as such.  

FishInFL

pottydoc said:

FishInFL said:

If these people were around during the time when UF and FSU started they football programs, they would have hated on them for thinking they would be big programs.  It takes time and a concerted effort to do so, which UCF is making that effort.  Just takes time and must join a P5 for the money to help, which is what UCF wants.

I don’t think there’s one person on here that hates UCF. What we don’t like is the attitude that the fans have, that two seasons playing teams that no one would call top, or even mid level, makes them anywhere on the same level as the top tier schools. And, the fact that UCF expects people to ignore their SOS, and give them an easy way to the playoffs. Two years proves nothing. Keep it up season after season, after season, then you’ll get the respect that UF, FSU, UM, Alabama, Michigan, OSU, and the rest have. And, quit trying to claim you were co Champs last year. You didn’t even make the playoffs, and the NCAA certainly didn’t recognize you as such.  

I get your point - 3 counterpoints

whether a team is a blue blood team or not,  should not matter if they have an undefeated seasons for 2 straight years.  If we are fans of the sport, they should have a shot regardless of whether they have been good for 10 straight years. 

its not UCF claiming it’s NCAA.  If it wasn’t recognized, why is it there?

most fans are not all that gung ho about natl champs, it’s somehwat trolling and keeping UCF in everyone’s heads.  Which has been successful, whether it’s hate or love.

the economics have changed of playing on the road all the time.  Ucf cant lose the 2mil they make at home games plus trying to build their fan base of not having home games 

Saltygatorvet

FishInFL said:

pottydoc said:

FishInFL said:

If these people were around during the time when UF and FSU started they football programs, they would have hated on them for thinking they would be big programs.  It takes time and a concerted effort to do so, which UCF is making that effort.  Just takes time and must join a P5 for the money to help, which is what UCF wants.

I don’t think there’s one person on here that hates UCF. What we don’t like is the attitude that the fans have, that two seasons playing teams that no one would call top, or even mid level, makes them anywhere on the same level as the top tier schools. And, the fact that UCF expects people to ignore their SOS, and give them an easy way to the playoffs. Two years proves nothing. Keep it up season after season, after season, then you’ll get the respect that UF, FSU, UM, Alabama, Michigan, OSU, and the rest have. And, quit trying to claim you were co Champs last year. You didn’t even make the playoffs, and the NCAA certainly didn’t recognize you as such.  

I get your point - 3 counterpoints

whether a team is a blue blood team or not,  should not matter if they have an undefeated seasons for 2 straight years.  If we are fans of the sport, they should have a shot regardless of whether they have been good for 10 straight years. 

its not UCF claiming it’s NCAA.  If it wasn’t recognized, why is it there?

most fans are not all that gung ho about natl champs, it’s somehwat trolling and keeping UCF in everyone’s heads.  Which has been successful, whether it’s hate or love.

the economics have changed of playing on the road all the time.  Ucf cant lose the 2mil they make at home games plus trying to build their fan base of not having home games 

What ucf fans fail to see is, no one cares about an undefeated season when you play 6a high school teams

cadman

FishInFL said:

pottydoc said:

FishInFL said:

If these people were around during the time when UF and FSU started they football programs, they would have hated on them for thinking they would be big programs.  It takes time and a concerted effort to do so, which UCF is making that effort.  Just takes time and must join a P5 for the money to help, which is what UCF wants.

I don’t think there’s one person on here that hates UCF. What we don’t like is the attitude that the fans have, that two seasons playing teams that no one would call top, or even mid level, makes them anywhere on the same level as the top tier schools. And, the fact that UCF expects people to ignore their SOS, and give them an easy way to the playoffs. Two years proves nothing. Keep it up season after season, after season, then you’ll get the respect that UF, FSU, UM, Alabama, Michigan, OSU, and the rest have. And, quit trying to claim you were co Champs last year. You didn’t even make the playoffs, and the NCAA certainly didn’t recognize you as such.  

I get your point - 3 counterpoints

whether a team is a blue blood team or not,  should not matter if they have an undefeated seasons for 2 straight years.  If we are fans of the sport, they should have a shot regardless of whether they have been good for 10 straight years. 

its not UCF claiming it’s NCAA.  If it wasn’t recognized, why is it there?

most fans are not all that gung ho about natl champs, it’s somehwat trolling and keeping UCF in everyone’s heads.  Which has been successful, whether it’s hate or love.

the economics have changed of playing on the road all the time.  Ucf cant lose the 2mil they make at home games plus trying to build their fan base of not having home games 

Where do you get $2 mil home game?

Also, UCF does not lose a home game. They can still have the same number of home games each season. Usually a 2 for one would be over 4 or 5 years. The UF away games would replace another away game. 

The UCF AD is just using excuses to dodge having to play major programs as much as possible. 

Saltygatorvet

White is acting like the guy that really doesn’t want to fight, but is yelling “hold me back”

pottydoc

Please show us where the NCAA says anywhere that UCF is co Champs. The only thing in the so called book, is a list of the different polls that rank teams. Being on that list does not in any way make a team Champs. If you can’t show us in writing where the NCAA calls UCF Champs, then you’re just blowing smoke. I doubt seriously you’ve ever even tried to find where is supposedly says UCF are co Champs, you just are repeating what you heard or read somewhere. But it wasn’t in the official records. Cads point about your extremely weak schedule is the reason you haven’t made the playoffs. You didn’t have any idea that the 2-1 with UF would have most likely stretched over a number a years until you read his post. Cad’s statement about your AD using lame excuses to dodge playing good teams is dead on also. If you want to compete with the big boys at the end of the season, you have to play them during the season. Name one playoff or BCS team who ever played in a conference as weak as the AAC. Your defense is atrocious. They were ranked 93rd. They gave up 428 yards a game. And you think they can play like that against any of the playoff teams and win. You’re funnier than Matt. 

kellercl

Why do you guys bother?  He can't be serious about UCF being the champs last year.  He is trolling you all, and is being very successful at the moment.

2amigo

kellercl said:

Why do you guys bother?  He can't be serious about UCF being the champs last year.  He is trolling you all, and is being very successful at the moment.

You realize then that most of the fan base for UCF is trolling as well.