Industrial wind farm decommissioned after only 20 years.

David B

 

None of you nature lovers wants to comment on the amount of raptors killed every year by wind turbins? 

Can we compare wind turbine bird deaths to that of feral cats within the United States? 

pottydoc

johnpowers said:

MRichardson said:

johnpowers said:

cadman said:

Big Battery said:

Maybe we would be further ahead had the government not directed the brain power in a specific direction. Maybe we would have a colony on Mars by now. Maybe each home would be energy self-sufficient.

The interstate killed the railroad... maybe we would have better mass transit if for not government meddling.

Gutenberg created the greatest invention of all mankind... did he have US government help?

Did the Wright brothers have the US government telling them to invent an airplane?

It is pure pro-government arrogance to believe that we would still be in the stone age without govco starting wars. Government funding creates huge misdirection in research and growth...

In both cases, especially the Wright brothers, government funding took the invention and made it mainstream. The Wright Brothers also tried to sell their invention to the government to get more money. It would have taken much longer to get to the moon or any place without the finances of the government behind it. 

Logic would dictate that we would be further behind technologically wise and medical without the funding of the federal government and other public funding around the world. it is the only source of funding where a return on the investment is not wanted. It is naive to think we  would be further along without that free money. 

I am in the aviation industry, tell us how government funding advanced aviation. 

You cannot be serious.

I'm very serious. But I guess you believe that it was government subsidies and funding that advanced aviation from wood and fabric aircraft to the Boeing 787?

So you really believe that Lockheed-Martin funded all the stuff at Skunk Works themselves? Yeah, right. 

MRichardson

johnpowers said:

I'm very serious. But I guess you believe that it was government subsidies and funding that advanced aviation from wood and fabric aircraft to the Boeing 787?

Lol.  Ok.  Well then, I guess we'll just think the other is nutz.

johnpowers

The skunk works? Now you’re comparing high altitude spy planes with commercial aviation? LOL!
 Lockheed were and are contractors. They were already in the aviation business. 
The Air Force needed spy planes, you think they were going to contract ACME toaster company to build them?
 What I’m gathering here is that several of you think that the private sector is made up of idiots who can not build anything without government oversight. That’s sad. I’m assuming you are all government employees??

cadman

johnpowers said:

The skunk works? Now you’re comparing high altitude spy planes with commercial aviation? LOL!
 Lockheed were and are contractors. They were already in the aviation business. 
The Air Force needed spy planes, you think they were going to contract ACME toaster company to build them?
 What I’m gathering here is that several of you think that the private sector is made up of idiots who can not build anything without government oversight. That’s sad. I’m assuming you are all government employees??

No, not government oversight, government money for the research.

stc1993

The government pays for all the research.  I'm sure it's included in the price of the aircraft they buy.

Gary S

Pretty sure our government had money in the development of loran and gps navigation.

pottydoc

johnpowers said:

The skunk works? Now you’re comparing high altitude spy planes with commercial aviation? LOL!
 Lockheed were and are contractors. They were already in the aviation business. 
The Air Force needed spy planes, you think they were going to contract ACME toaster company to build them?
 What I’m gathering here is that several of you think that the private sector is made up of idiots who can not build anything without government oversight. That’s sad. I’m assuming you are all government employees??

You said that the government pay for aviation. Skunk Works is only one of many other things they supported that came up with all kinds of things adopted by general aviation. Before B-17s and other WW2 bombers, there were zero four engine commercial airliners. And where you come up with me thinking that there’s not very intelligent people in the private sector. No one here said anything remotely close to that. And while I can’t speak for the rest of these guys except Cad, since I know what he does, I am not now, nor have I ever been a government employee.

dragon bait

Gary S said:

Pretty sure our government had money in the development of loran and gps navigation.

And sonar

MRichardson

johnpowers said:

The skunk works? Now you’re comparing high altitude spy planes with commercial aviation? LOL!
 Lockheed were and are contractors. They were already in the aviation business. 
The Air Force needed spy planes, you think they were going to contract ACME toaster company to build them?
 What I’m gathering here is that several of you think that the private sector is made up of idiots who can not build anything without government oversight. That’s sad. I’m assuming you are all government employees??

You're gathering wrong.  As cadman said, gov't resources ($$), not gov't oversight.  It takes a lot of $$ and unreasonably high demand to fund the research and advancements made.  For example, look at the F-35 program. No sane for-profit firm would ever still be throwing billions at this dog.  Thankfully, just because something doesn't work the first, second, third, fourth or eighth time and incurrs HUGE cost overruns, if the DoD is funding it and it's not stopped by Congress or the Prez, the $ keeps flowing.  Cuz Russia, y'all.

This exhorbitant spending has technological benefits to everyone though.  Not always sure of the cost/benefit relationship there, but the benefits cannot be denied. 

pottydoc

dragon bait said:

Gary S said:

Pretty sure our government had money in the development of loran and gps navigation.

And sonar

I’m pretty sure GPS was 100% military to start with. I know for sure they tweaked the signal for the first few years to degrade the accuracy of it. 

johnpowers

pottydoc said:

dragon bait said:

Gary S said:

Pretty sure our government had money in the development of loran and gps navigation.

And sonar

I’m pretty sure GPS was 100% military to start with. I know for sure they tweaked the signal for the first few years to degrade the accuracy of it. 

And your right. 
 My point is that the private sector will always improve technology but they do it to beat the competition. 
 Richardson is right, why would any sane aircraft company build a white elephant like the F35? Or go to the moon? There’s nothing there!
 As far as warfare being the cause for four engine airliners, ridiculous. They were already on the drawing boards before the war. 

johnpowers

This is a strange site. 
I posted over a day ago and a message popped up saying my post would be reviewed before posting?
 And today the reply column is blank and the length of the page! 
Whats that all about?

sailfish2

Bid Brother is watching YOU!

cadman

johnpowers said:

This is a strange site. 
I posted over a day ago and a message popped up saying my post would be reviewed before posting?
 And today the reply column is blank and the length of the page! 
Whats that all about?

I have noticed when uploading an image or link I get the post will be reviewed thing. Never see it an other time. Some times the post appears later, sometimes it don't. I then repost it and everything works fine. I figured it has something to do with the filter settings to avoid copyrights or something. I don't really know though. 

dave44

Uh oh, that’s not very merry. Do you really want this?
Oh the humanity!

mplspug

mplspug said:

I'm all for wind farms as long as I don't ever have to see one the rest of my life.  They are ugly and huge both the wind Mills and their footprint.

Here is some turbines I can fully support.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/funnily-shaped-vortex-bladeless-turbine-aims-to-reinvent-wind-energy-157827.html

I hope it is successful.

ferris1248

I think we'll continue to see advancements in wind turbines just like we're seeing in battery innovation. 

mplspug

You are really going out on a limb there @ferris1248
 

ferris1248

mplspug said:

You are really going out on a limb there @ferris1248
 

LOL, CMA. 

stc1993

That one oughta work for TRT's old lady.  Especially with all the new battery innovation.