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Industrial wind farm decommissioned after only 20 years.
Big Battery
Posts: 23,097 AG
Ooops... that will leave a mark.
An industrial wind facility in Kewaunee County, Wisconsin has been
decommissioned after just 20 years of service because the turbines are
no longer cost effective to maintain and operate. The decommissioning of
the 14 turbines took many people by surprise, even local government
officials and the farmer who had five of the turbines on his property.
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https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/local/kewaunee-county/2018/10/10/wps-closing-kewaunee-county-wind-energy-farm/1593586002/
Good question, but do you think that other methods of electricity generation aren't subsidized?
None of you nature lovers wants to comment on the amount of raptors killed every year by wind turbins?
You need to be specific on your definition of a subsidy before anyone can say who gets what for what.
I forgot. Are we taking fedaral, state, and local or just federal or some combination?
Former Mini Mart Magnate
I am just here for my amusement.
They blew 75 million on a rebuild that should have lasted 20 years in 2009. In 2012 it closed because of being rebuilt poorly and will now cost 45 million to decommission.
Ratepayers on the hook both through government spending on the project and having to pay for the utilities messing up.
Those birds? I don't see any when I hunt the wind fields in Wyoming.
If you are a bit unclear, take a look at Dragon's post above for one example.
Abstract
Wind energy has emerged as a promising alternative to fossil fuels, yet the impacts of wind facilities on wildlife remain unclear. Prior studies estimate between 10,000 and 573,000 fatal bird collisions with U.S. wind turbines annually; however, these studies do not differentiate between turbines with a monopole tower and those with a lattice tower, the former of which now comprise the vast majority of all U.S. wind turbines and the latter of which are largely being de-commissioned. We systematically derived an estimate of bird mortality for U.S. monopole turbines by applying inclusion criteria to compiled studies, identifying correlates of mortality, and utilizing a predictive model to estimate mortality along with uncertainty. Despite measures taken to increase analytical rigor, the studies we used may provide a non-random representation of all data; requiring industry reports to be made publicly available would improve understanding of wind energy impacts. Nonetheless, we estimate that between 140,000 and 328,000 (mean = 234,000) birds are killed annually by collisions with monopole turbines in the contiguous U.S. We found support for an increase in mortality with increasing turbine hub height and support for differing mortality rates among regions, with per turbine mortality lowest in the Great Plains. Evaluation of risks to birds is warranted prior to continuing a widespread shift to taller wind turbines. Regional patterns of collision risk, while not obviating the need for species-specific and local-scale assessments, may inform broad-scale decisions about wind facility siting.
By by the way, all wild birds and their nests are protected by Federal and State laws. You have to have the proper license to kill, harm, molest, or bother them. That’s easy to verify, also, just in case you don’t believe me.
Alcoa got $150 billion
Boeing got $73 billion
GM got $50 billion
According to the source they used they included federal and state loans that were paid back. My examples above did to.
$176 billion for an industry doesn't look like much when Intel and Alcoa got almost as much by themselves using the same criteria.
Thanks for the link.
BTW, in real subsidies, according to the source in your link, the entire utility and power generation industry got $36 billion in subsidies.
https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/top-industries
Aerospace was second and motor vehicles were third.
Former Mini Mart Magnate
I am just here for my amusement.
I find it interesting that the whole conversation is now revolving around possible bird strikes instead of the whole 20 year decommission as in the headline. Like I stated, we have Nuclear plants that didn't make it 3 years after their 20 year rebuild. Where is the outrage?