The Caravan

cadman

Tarponator said:

fins4me said:

Does anyone really believe that the vast majority who are declined entry due to the fact they have no legitimate claim are really gonna shrug their shoulders and say well darn?,,,, guess I will just go back

Not that people doing exactly that will convince you, but I'll leave this for those of us who may not recognize that you don't have any idea what you're talking about:

"If we remain here, with each day we'll just end up worse," Rodriguez said.

He and his wife were part of the group that marched to the border on Sunday and were sprayed with tear gas.

He said that after witnessing what happened, and seeing children get hurt, he has decided to go back to Honduras to figure things out there, rather than to remain "exposed" in Tijuana.  

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2018/11/26/uncertainty-grips-migrants-waiting-tijuana/2119012002/

I guess we need to scramble the A-10s or hope for another hurricane.

I have tried to ignore this idiocracy, but that is a crop of ****. I doubt Rodriquez exists or is a complete idiot. He left Honduras and walked to the Mexico / U.S. border. He went through all that and because he sin't patient enough to follow the rules for entry, he is going back home. My guess is some reporter created that story to make people feel bad for the immigrants. 

surfman

They are being coached.

dave44

Has anyone noticed how racist the Mexicans are? Of course, they don’t call them “Mexicans”, because they are not. They simply recognize a problem developing from the invasion .
   We should look at their immigration laws.

surfman

Only white people are racist.

dave44

surfman said:

Only white people are racist.

I keep forgetting that only applies to old white people. Usually when a certain group wants to incite violence against white Americans.

NewberryJeff

surfman said:

They are being coached.

It's worse than that. The criminals are dragging children (literally by the hair) into the conflict area for photo ops/propaganda.

Gary S

cadman said:

Tarponator said:

fins4me said:

Does anyone really believe that the vast majority who are declined entry due to the fact they have no legitimate claim are really gonna shrug their shoulders and say well darn?,,,, guess I will just go back

Not that people doing exactly that will convince you, but I'll leave this for those of us who may not recognize that you don't have any idea what you're talking about:

"If we remain here, with each day we'll just end up worse," Rodriguez said.

He and his wife were part of the group that marched to the border on Sunday and were sprayed with tear gas.

He said that after witnessing what happened, and seeing children get hurt, he has decided to go back to Honduras to figure things out there, rather than to remain "exposed" in Tijuana.  

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2018/11/26/uncertainty-grips-migrants-waiting-tijuana/2119012002/

I guess we need to scramble the A-10s or hope for another hurricane.

I have tried to ignore this idiocracy, but that is a crop of ****. I doubt Rodriquez exists or is a complete idiot. He left Honduras and walked to the Mexico / U.S. border. He went through all that and because he sin't patient enough to follow the rules for entry, he is going back home. My guess is some reporter created that story to make people feel bad for the immigrants. 

Or he got enough from the organizers of this news flash to continue his life back home. He probably realizes the chance of getting asylum is slim to none anyway. 
 One thing I wonder about is, when turned down for asylum what happens? Do we push them back to Mexico, or do we fly them back to their home country?

Finfinder

kellercl said:

Bimini Twisted said:

Westwall01 said:

Explain how the hatred and methods the **** used against the Jews is comparable in this situation?

The quote from the Auschwitz Memorial does exactly that. 

The problem is the quote assumes the positions here are emotion based, when many (including me) have a position based more on a business perspective.  

Meaning being anti caravan isn't based on hate, race or any other silly buzz word.  Some, again including myself, just don't see the value added (business perspective) by allowing the caravan in.  There is a major difference, but I suppose it is just easier for you to scream "race" every 30 seconds then taking the 30 seconds to understand what people are actually stating.  

 
Don't be fooled they know exactly what they are doing, it's a classic,  been doing it for years on FS.  

surfman

Finfinder said:

 
Don't be fooled they know exactly what they are doing, it's a classic,  been doing it for years on FS.  

Fake news at work.

Tarponator

cadman said:

Tarponator said:

fins4me said:

Does anyone really believe that the vast majority who are declined entry due to the fact they have no legitimate claim are really gonna shrug their shoulders and say well darn?,,,, guess I will just go back

Not that people doing exactly that will convince you, but I'll leave this for those of us who may not recognize that you don't have any idea what you're talking about:

"If we remain here, with each day we'll just end up worse," Rodriguez said.

He and his wife were part of the group that marched to the border on Sunday and were sprayed with tear gas.

He said that after witnessing what happened, and seeing children get hurt, he has decided to go back to Honduras to figure things out there, rather than to remain "exposed" in Tijuana.  

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2018/11/26/uncertainty-grips-migrants-waiting-tijuana/2119012002/

I guess we need to scramble the A-10s or hope for another hurricane.

I have tried to ignore this idiocracy, but that is a crop of ****. I doubt Rodriquez exists or is a complete idiot. He left Honduras and walked to the Mexico / U.S. border. He went through all that and because he sin't patient enough to follow the rules for entry, he is going back home. My guess is some reporter created that story to make people feel bad for the immigrants. 

I think you would be better off ignoring it rather than guessing he's a liar or an idiot or declaring fake news.  Hell, these people turning around is the goal of the current administration, and I would presume you share that sentiment, so why are you so frosty when it's being achieved?

Incidentally, the article never said he walked, but it did say he's been there for more than a month:

Jose Alberto Rodriguez, a migrant from Copan, Honduras, arrived in Tijuana with his wife more than a month ago, long before the arrival of 5,700 migrants in the past two weeks. He was one of nearly a dozen people waiting to talk to one of two staff members at the Office of International Migration tent. 

stc1993

I live in a city that is 80% black (due to white flight).  The ones that could afford it moved to Lee Co. One of the top school systems in the state.  It wasn't just white people either.

I can tell you this most blacks are way more racist than the majority of whites that live here.  I've been here next March will be 49 years.

jcbcpa

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

Tarponator said:

fins4me said:

Does anyone really believe that the vast majority who are declined entry due to the fact they have no legitimate claim are really gonna shrug their shoulders and say well darn?,,,, guess I will just go back

Not that people doing exactly that will convince you, but I'll leave this for those of us who may not recognize that you don't have any idea what you're talking about:

"If we remain here, with each day we'll just end up worse," Rodriguez said.

He and his wife were part of the group that marched to the border on Sunday and were sprayed with tear gas.

He said that after witnessing what happened, and seeing children get hurt, he has decided to go back to Honduras to figure things out there, rather than to remain "exposed" in Tijuana.  

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2018/11/26/uncertainty-grips-migrants-waiting-tijuana/2119012002/

I guess we need to scramble the A-10s or hope for another hurricane.

I have tried to ignore this idiocracy, but that is a crop of ****. I doubt Rodriquez exists or is a complete idiot. He left Honduras and walked to the Mexico / U.S. border. He went through all that and because he sin't patient enough to follow the rules for entry, he is going back home. My guess is some reporter created that story to make people feel bad for the immigrants. 

I think you would be better off ignoring it rather than guessing he's a liar or an idiot or declaring fake news.  Hell, these people turning around is the goal of the current administration, and I would presume you share that sentiment, so why are you so frosty when it's being achieved?

Incidentally, the article never said he walked, but it did say he's been there for more than a month:

Jose Alberto Rodriguez, a migrant from Copan, Honduras, arrived in Tijuana with his wife more than a month ago, long before the arrival of 5,700 migrants in the past two weeks. He was one of nearly a dozen people waiting to talk to one of two staff members at the Office of International Migration tent. 

Jose Alberto Rodriguez, a migrant from Copan, Honduras, arrived in Tijuana with his wife more than a month ago, long before the arrival of 5,700 migrants in the past two weeks. He was one of nearly a dozen people waiting to talk to one of two staff members at the Office of International Migration tent. 

"If we remain here, with each day we'll just end up worse," Rodriguez said.

He and his wife were part of the group that marched to the border on Sunday and were sprayed with tear gas.

Maybe should have just waited to be processed like the rest of the migrants? Sounds like he was close to being able to talk with somebody about his legal immigration. Why not just wait a little longer? 

surfman

This isn't about immigration, this is about illegal immigration, just storming the border and saying "you better let us in and give us jobs". This is not the answer, this is what most of us are opposed to.The media keeps repeating asylum, as if that is truly what they want, and it isn't even remotely close to what they want. But, if the media repeats it often enough then it must be so. So we will keep hearing about these poor people seeking asylum and selling news papers.

joekat46

Most likely the real reason for all the media fuss and clamor.  

Tarponator

jcbcpa said:

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

Tarponator said:

fins4me said:

Does anyone really believe that the vast majority who are declined entry due to the fact they have no legitimate claim are really gonna shrug their shoulders and say well darn?,,,, guess I will just go back

Not that people doing exactly that will convince you, but I'll leave this for those of us who may not recognize that you don't have any idea what you're talking about:

"If we remain here, with each day we'll just end up worse," Rodriguez said.

He and his wife were part of the group that marched to the border on Sunday and were sprayed with tear gas.

He said that after witnessing what happened, and seeing children get hurt, he has decided to go back to Honduras to figure things out there, rather than to remain "exposed" in Tijuana.  

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2018/11/26/uncertainty-grips-migrants-waiting-tijuana/2119012002/

I guess we need to scramble the A-10s or hope for another hurricane.

I have tried to ignore this idiocracy, but that is a crop of ****. I doubt Rodriquez exists or is a complete idiot. He left Honduras and walked to the Mexico / U.S. border. He went through all that and because he sin't patient enough to follow the rules for entry, he is going back home. My guess is some reporter created that story to make people feel bad for the immigrants. 

I think you would be better off ignoring it rather than guessing he's a liar or an idiot or declaring fake news.  Hell, these people turning around is the goal of the current administration, and I would presume you share that sentiment, so why are you so frosty when it's being achieved?

Incidentally, the article never said he walked, but it did say he's been there for more than a month:

Jose Alberto Rodriguez, a migrant from Copan, Honduras, arrived in Tijuana with his wife more than a month ago, long before the arrival of 5,700 migrants in the past two weeks. He was one of nearly a dozen people waiting to talk to one of two staff members at the Office of International Migration tent. 

Jose Alberto Rodriguez, a migrant from Copan, Honduras, arrived in Tijuana with his wife more than a month ago, long before the arrival of 5,700 migrants in the past two weeks. He was one of nearly a dozen people waiting to talk to one of two staff members at the Office of International Migration tent. 

"If we remain here, with each day we'll just end up worse," Rodriguez said.

He and his wife were part of the group that marched to the border on Sunday and were sprayed with tear gas.

Maybe should have just waited to be processed like the rest of the migrants? Sounds like he was close to being able to talk with somebody about his legal immigration. Why not just wait a little longer? 

I don't know.  After a month of trying, perhaps he figured that he's not going to even have the opportunity to make his asylum claim, the situation is Tijuana is no better, and has decided to go home....like many people like you seem to want...and he seems to have decided.  

That's what you want to happen, isn't it? 

surfman

Someone is filling their heads with promises of hope and change and a free cell phone. I wounder who that could be?

Tarponator

Clearly Obama is to blame! 

kellercl

Walking 1,600 miles than turning around seems outlandish to me.  Is it possible?  Sure.  But I do question the plausibility.

surfman

Tarponator said:

Clearly Obama is to blame! 

Why do you say that?  But I see your point he blamed Bush for everything else.

jcbcpa

Tarponator said:

jcbcpa said:

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

Tarponator said:

fins4me said:

Does anyone really believe that the vast majority who are declined entry due to the fact they have no legitimate claim are really gonna shrug their shoulders and say well darn?,,,, guess I will just go back

Not that people doing exactly that will convince you, but I'll leave this for those of us who may not recognize that you don't have any idea what you're talking about:

"If we remain here, with each day we'll just end up worse," Rodriguez said.

He and his wife were part of the group that marched to the border on Sunday and were sprayed with tear gas.

He said that after witnessing what happened, and seeing children get hurt, he has decided to go back to Honduras to figure things out there, rather than to remain "exposed" in Tijuana.  

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2018/11/26/uncertainty-grips-migrants-waiting-tijuana/2119012002/

I guess we need to scramble the A-10s or hope for another hurricane.

I have tried to ignore this idiocracy, but that is a crop of ****. I doubt Rodriquez exists or is a complete idiot. He left Honduras and walked to the Mexico / U.S. border. He went through all that and because he sin't patient enough to follow the rules for entry, he is going back home. My guess is some reporter created that story to make people feel bad for the immigrants. 

I think you would be better off ignoring it rather than guessing he's a liar or an idiot or declaring fake news.  Hell, these people turning around is the goal of the current administration, and I would presume you share that sentiment, so why are you so frosty when it's being achieved?

Incidentally, the article never said he walked, but it did say he's been there for more than a month:

Jose Alberto Rodriguez, a migrant from Copan, Honduras, arrived in Tijuana with his wife more than a month ago, long before the arrival of 5,700 migrants in the past two weeks. He was one of nearly a dozen people waiting to talk to one of two staff members at the Office of International Migration tent. 

Jose Alberto Rodriguez, a migrant from Copan, Honduras, arrived in Tijuana with his wife more than a month ago, long before the arrival of 5,700 migrants in the past two weeks. He was one of nearly a dozen people waiting to talk to one of two staff members at the Office of International Migration tent. 

"If we remain here, with each day we'll just end up worse," Rodriguez said.

He and his wife were part of the group that marched to the border on Sunday and were sprayed with tear gas.

Maybe should have just waited to be processed like the rest of the migrants? Sounds like he was close to being able to talk with somebody about his legal immigration. Why not just wait a little longer? 

I don't know.  After a month of trying, perhaps he figured that he's not going to even have the opportunity to make his asylum claim, the situation is Tijuana is no better, and has decided to go home....like many people like you seem to want...and he seems to have decided.  

That's what you want to happen, isn't it? 

What from my post makes you think thats what i want? I wondered why he would come all this way and get so close and not wait but choose to try to force his way in. 

Resinhead

Tarponator said:

Clearly Obama is to blame! 

Oh boy... possible incoming ban hammer!

surfman

What we want is for them to enter the country legally.

Tarponator

Fake news if you do, and damned if you don't, I suppose....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/mexican-police-deploy-around-caravan-migrants-after-day-of-chaos-at-border/2018/11/26/7c500364-f109-11e8-99c2-cfca6fcf610c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c2c633600b8e

On Monday morning, Arlin Dubon, 24, helped his partner, Karla Leticia Rodriguez, 22, and their two young children board a bus, the first leg of their voluntary deportation back to Honduras. They decided Rodriguez and the kids should leave after the unsettling confrontation at the border the day before. They had heard President Trump’s strident warnings on border closures, tasted the tear gas and wanted no more.

“The situation keeps getting worse, and the U.S. isn’t going to let us in,” he said, as the bus drove away. “I guess it’s better that she leaves.”

But while some turned back, most of the migrants plan to stay in Tijuana, still hoping to gain entry into the United States.

...

Pueblos Sin Fronteras “has been warning people about approaching the border en masse without organization, and there wasn’t organization yesterday,” Mensing said in a phone ­interview. “We’ve been warning them a violent response was possible.”

Jose Barahona, a truck driver from Honduras, ran into that response Sunday.

“They attacked us,” he said.

He said he had slipped past the first row of fencing but was forced back by tear gas. He wasn’t eager to try again.

“The U.S. isn’t going to listen to us,” he said. “I guess I’ll just go.”

kellercl

And to be fair they were told for a month they were not coming straight on in.  So why are they acting surprised?  

surfman

Without organization? who is organizing them?

Tarponator

surfman said:

What we want is for them to enter the country legally.

Let's suppose that's true for a moment:   Please explain why "we" sent thousands of troops down there but have only two people processing asylum claims at the crossing.

Could it be "we" don't really want them at all and want them to turn back?

Thanks.

Tarponator

jcbcpa said:

What from my post makes you think thats what i want? I wondered why he would come all this way and get so close and not wait but choose to try to force his way in. 

Given your posting history, it's pretty clear what you think.  However, and instead of putting words in your mouth, that's why I asked you a question, which I will now rephrase in hopes you actually answer it:

What would you hope would happen to him?

Finfinder

Tarponator said:

jcbcpa said:

What from my post makes you think thats what i want? I wondered why he would come all this way and get so close and not wait but choose to try to force his way in. 

Given your posting history, it's pretty clear what you think.  However, and instead of putting words in your mouth, that's why I asked you a question, which I will now rephrase in hopes you actually answer it:

What would you hope would happen to him?

How many immigrants do you think we should accept in total ?  Can you give a number ? 

kellercl

I'll be honest, I can't say I want them here.  They are a group of unskilled workers who will likely need financial helps for years.  I'm all for immigration of skilled workers. 

Ultimately I have my own kids to pay for, my interest in paying for others, especially non citizens, is low.  Those who claim to care, donate away, sponsor their children, start a GoFundMe, etc.  If you care so much stop spending your days on the internet and truly do something to help.  There is nothing stopping you, other than your caring is skin deep.  At the end of the day stop asking ME to pay, because some how that demonstrates YOU care.

Tarponator

Thank you for being honest, Keller.  Perhaps others might consider doing the same instead of avoiding the question.

Moving on to the point you raise:  Perhaps we might let some of them in if they agree to work and not take financial help.

Because I'd like to think there's a solution to this problem that's not on the one hand open borders and on the other hand shut ones.   And as much as some might like to believe otherwise, we do need them -- both the ones already working as well as the ones who would like to help fill jobs waiting to be filled.

Incidentally, I do plenty to help, but I don't get a whole lot out of boasting about it.  If you really want to know the extent of my charity work as opposed to taking another shot at me, send me a PM and I'll tell you.

Thanks...Mike