General Motors Cutting US Production

dave44

I just don’t understand how some of you move your boats around? Do you have them delivered to the ramp? 

Joe Mc

HomerSimpson said:

lol......i think bimini needs to do some more investigating.  Maybe read the articles and not just the titles????

he'll probably find that the china factories are to build cars for the china market.  In order to build cars to be competitive over there, you have to build over there.  

good news is that if GM decided to import those cars to America, the new tariffs will be applied.  That helps the american auto worker

So the tariffs that Trump imposed are a good thing?

HomerSimpson

Joe Mc said:

So the tariffs that Trump imposed are a good thing?

if they keep GM from bringing in chinese made cars, doesn't that help the american autoworker?  Isn't that what Bimini is concerned about?

kellercl

dave44 said:

I just don’t understand how some of you move your boats around? Do you have them delivered to the ramp? 

Boat lift in the backyard.

Joe Mc

HomerSimpson said:

Joe Mc said:

So the tariffs that Trump imposed are a good thing?

if they keep GM from bringing in chinese made cars, doesn't that help the american autoworker?  Isn't that what Bimini is concerned about?

How about the 14,000 who have lost their jobs ? The tariffs had nothing to do with that?

dragon bait

Earlier this year, GM lowered its profit forecasts for 2018, citing higher steel and aluminum prices caused by new US tariffs. And in June, GM warned that trade tariffs could lead to job losses and lower wages, telling the Commerce Department that higher steel tariffs would affect competitiveness.

The automaker, which employs about 110,000 workers, on Monday said it planned to halt production at a plant in Ohio, a state that voted for Trump in 2016.

https://www.thisisinsider.com/china-trade-war-trump-blames-gm-for-job-losses-caused-by-his-tariffs-2018-11

sjm1582002

I'm at a loss as to why anyone would spend their hard earned dollars with GM given its track record.

Resale value and reliabilty for its vehicles are nearly always well below average.

.....and the beat goes on.....

Many of the models the company plans to discontinue were among the more than 200,000 US vehicles recalled a few months ago due to a soft, spongey brake pedals.

http://fortune.com/2018/11/26/gm-discontinue-car-models-chevrolet-volt-cruze-impala-buick-lacrosse-cadillac-xts-ct6/

kellercl

I would prefer (in theory) to buy American.  But Subaru, Honda and Toyota simply make superior cars.  

Mister-Jr

sjm1582002 said:

I'm at a loss as to why anyone would spend their hard earned dollars with GM given its track record.

Resale value and reliabilty for its vehicles are nearly always well below average.

.....and the beat goes on.....

Many of the models the company plans to discontinue were among the more than 200,000 US vehicles recalled a few months ago due to a soft, spongey brake pedals.

http://fortune.com/2018/11/26/gm-discontinue-car-models-chevrolet-volt-cruze-impala-buick-lacrosse-cadillac-xts-ct6/

How is it foreign manufacturers can build better cars in the US than GM

dave44

Mister-Jr said:

sjm1582002 said:

I'm at a loss as to why anyone would spend their hard earned dollars with GM given its track record.

Resale value and reliabilty for its vehicles are nearly always well below average.

.....and the beat goes on.....

Many of the models the company plans to discontinue were among the more than 200,000 US vehicles recalled a few months ago due to a soft, spongey brake pedals.

http://fortune.com/2018/11/26/gm-discontinue-car-models-chevrolet-volt-cruze-impala-buick-lacrosse-cadillac-xts-ct6/

How is it foreign manufacturers can build better cars in the US than GM

😂 

kellercl

Mister-Jr said:

sjm1582002 said:

I'm at a loss as to why anyone would spend their hard earned dollars with GM given its track record.

Resale value and reliabilty for its vehicles are nearly always well below average.

.....and the beat goes on.....

Many of the models the company plans to discontinue were among the more than 200,000 US vehicles recalled a few months ago due to a soft, spongey brake pedals.

http://fortune.com/2018/11/26/gm-discontinue-car-models-chevrolet-volt-cruze-impala-buick-lacrosse-cadillac-xts-ct6/

How is it foreign manufacturers can build better cars in the US than GM

Better leadership and engineers?  Or maybe just effort?  Part of me thinks domestic manufactures made the assumption that folks wouldn't buy foreign cars, thus they didn't put in the time and money to make a good car.  I have owned a few domestic cars, never again.  I had more problems in 3 years than my civic had in 15 years.

Mister-Jr

kellercl said:

Mister-Jr said:

sjm1582002 said:

I'm at a loss as to why anyone would spend their hard earned dollars with GM given its track record.

Resale value and reliabilty for its vehicles are nearly always well below average.

.....and the beat goes on.....

Many of the models the company plans to discontinue were among the more than 200,000 US vehicles recalled a few months ago due to a soft, spongey brake pedals.

http://fortune.com/2018/11/26/gm-discontinue-car-models-chevrolet-volt-cruze-impala-buick-lacrosse-cadillac-xts-ct6/

How is it foreign manufacturers can build better cars in the US than GM

Better leadership and engineers?

Maybe, workers are the same. 

kellercl

Mister-Jr said:

kellercl said:

Mister-Jr said:

sjm1582002 said:

I'm at a loss as to why anyone would spend their hard earned dollars with GM given its track record.

Resale value and reliabilty for its vehicles are nearly always well below average.

.....and the beat goes on.....

Many of the models the company plans to discontinue were among the more than 200,000 US vehicles recalled a few months ago due to a soft, spongey brake pedals.

http://fortune.com/2018/11/26/gm-discontinue-car-models-chevrolet-volt-cruze-impala-buick-lacrosse-cadillac-xts-ct6/

How is it foreign manufacturers can build better cars in the US than GM

Better leadership and engineers?

Maybe, workers are the same. 

Foreign pays better with better benefits, so the workers put in a days work?  Lack of unions?  Could be a whole host of reasons.

kellercl

It also dawns on me the cyclist assured us electric was the future...  And GM just announced they are dropped the Volt....  

cadman

Most likely it is perception and urban legend about foreign cars being better. According to JD Powers. many American cars are very reliable. 

https://www.jdpower.com/Cars/Ratings/Dependability?cid=care_rlb&gclid=Cj0KCQiA8_PfBRC3ARIsAOzJ2uqsj1w8yFtDZebHlALhfOcrK73vjghL1Jn7F-lwFwdq5pXVQKKXPtAaAimFEALw_wcB

Mister-Jr

kellercl said:

It also dawns on me the cyclist assured us electric was the future...  And GM just announced they are dropped the Volt....  

The Volt is a hybrid, with batteries and a small gas engine.  I'm still thinking GM may be retooling for the future which will be more all battery electric autos.  

kellercl

cadman said:

Most likely it is perception and urban legend about foreign cars being better. According to JD Powers. many American cars are very reliable. 

https://www.jdpower.com/Cars/Ratings/Dependability?cid=care_rlb&gclid=Cj0KCQiA8_PfBRC3ARIsAOzJ2uqsj1w8yFtDZebHlALhfOcrK73vjghL1Jn7F-lwFwdq5pXVQKKXPtAaAimFEALw_wcB

It maybe urban legend now, but it certainly wasn't throughout the 90s.  That is the problem with reputation, easy to destroy and hard to build.  

kellercl

Mister-Jr said:

kellercl said:

It also dawns on me the cyclist assured us electric was the future...  And GM just announced they are dropped the Volt....  

The Volt is a hybrid, with batteries and a small gas engine.  I'm still thinking GM may be retooling for the future which will be more all battery electric autos.  

With their plans to focus on suvs and trucks, I'm guessing the opposite.  They may explore hybrids but I don't see all electric trucks and suvs.  

cadman

kellercl said:

cadman said:

Most likely it is perception and urban legend about foreign cars being better. According to JD Powers. many American cars are very reliable. 

https://www.jdpower.com/Cars/Ratings/Dependability?cid=care_rlb&gclid=Cj0KCQiA8_PfBRC3ARIsAOzJ2uqsj1w8yFtDZebHlALhfOcrK73vjghL1Jn7F-lwFwdq5pXVQKKXPtAaAimFEALw_wcB

It maybe urban legend now, but it certainly wasn't throughout the 90s.  That is the problem with reputation, easy to destroy and hard to build.  

Even then, there were a few minor problems that caused the perception of lower quality when most American vehicles were just as reliable as their foreign counterparts. 

kellercl

cadman said:

kellercl said:

cadman said:

Most likely it is perception and urban legend about foreign cars being better. According to JD Powers. many American cars are very reliable. 

https://www.jdpower.com/Cars/Ratings/Dependability?cid=care_rlb&gclid=Cj0KCQiA8_PfBRC3ARIsAOzJ2uqsj1w8yFtDZebHlALhfOcrK73vjghL1Jn7F-lwFwdq5pXVQKKXPtAaAimFEALw_wcB

It maybe urban legend now, but it certainly wasn't throughout the 90s.  That is the problem with reputation, easy to destroy and hard to build.  

Even then, there were a few minor problems that caused the perception of lower quality when most American vehicles were just as reliable as their foreign counterparts. 

Not in my personal experience.  Maybe I'm an outlier but I had horrible luck with a variety of domestic cars, as did my parents.  I've been exclusively Japanese for 15 years and other than a rusted heat shield I literally have had not a single issue.  

On the domestic side: struts, paint peeling, speedometer stopped working, car wouldn't fill up with gas, etc, etc.

dragon bait

kellercl said:

With their plans to focus on suvs and trucks, I'm guessing the opposite.  They may explore hybrids but I don't see all electric trucks and suvs.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2018/11/26/beating-tesla-to-the-punch-rivian-debuts-high-performance-electric-pickup/#27b59982744c

kellercl

Are you aware of what "niche" means?

"Coming back around to the Tesla comparison, Rivians products won’t initially target the mainstream truck buyer. "

Did you even read your own article?

HomerSimpson

Joe Mc said:

How about the 14,000 who have lost their jobs ? The tariffs had nothing to do with that? 

You don't shut down factories because of an economic situation that's only months old and will not be permanent.  This would have been a long term decision/planning and has been in the works before tariffs.  They dropped the cars.  Something Ford did earlier.

US passenger cars aren't selling and haven't been

do the tariffs hurt their bottom line, yes.  At least until things get shifted around and can be compensated for.  Is it favorable in the short term to do away with tariffs, yes.  publicly traded companies can't see past quarterly reports.  They are using this as PR to decrease their supply costs

dragon bait

The R1T seems to be taking aim directly at the Ford F-150 Raptor. It’s a crew-cab, short bed high-performance truck for the off-road enthusiast.

Rivians products won’t initially target the mainstream truck buyer. Instead they are going after the Range Rover crowd.

Did you read your post?


They may explore hybrids but I don't see all electric trucks and suvs.  

Mister-Jr

Statement from Barra

Transforming product development – GM is evolving its global product development workforce and processes to drive world-class levels of engineering in advanced technologies, and to improve quality and speed to market. Resources allocated to electric and autonomous vehicle programs will double in the next two years. Additional actions include:

https://investor.gm.com/news-releases/news-release-details/general-motors-accelerates-transformation

dave44

The 80s and 90s were bad for Chevy, I’ve only had 2 fords, but the 2002 explorer was terrible.

stc1993

I remember the 70's US small cars that was a disaster.

The Datsuns & Toyotas ate their lunch.

I had a friend had a Toyota Celica you couldn't tear that car up.

cadman

When the fuel shortage hit and the American car makers put out compacts in mass quantity, they had a lot of mistakes and Toyota and Datsun capitalized on it. It was a major disaster for the American manufacturers and led to the perception that Japanese cars were better. 

kellercl

dragon bait said:

The R1T seems to be taking aim directly at the Ford F-150 Raptor. It’s a crew-cab, short bed high-performance truck for the off-road enthusiast.

Rivians products won’t initially target the mainstream truck buyer. Instead they are going after the Range Rover crowd.

Did you read your post?


They may explore hybrids but I don't see all electric trucks and suvs.  

Yes I don't see all electric trucks happening in the mainstream.  At least not for a couple decades.  Niche data doesn't prove a point.  You know this, or at least should.  Shaq doesn't demonstrate Americans are 7 feet.  And a single niche electric truck intended for off road weekend fun doesn't demonstrate trucks are moving to electric.  I shouldn't have to explain this.

I mean is it fair to say it snows in key West because hey, it happened once in 1977?  

surfman

I drive a Chevy Malibu for work, it is approaching 190k miles, runs fine, very few issues, second one I've almost worn out. I have a new F-150, didn't cost near 50k, but still a lot at 35k and the darn thing is loaded. I owned a Nissan once, most expensive car I ever owned, every time it broke it cost a fortune and no one knew how to fix it. I haven't been given a good reason to give up on American Brands yet. They have always served me very well. I used to buy used and keep 10 years, Now I can afford to buy new and keep for 15-20. This new F-150 will probably be the last truck I buy.