I think the measurements are not an issue.
Thermometers aren't NMR or MS systems. Calibration and ISO 17025 on
thermometers is an easy lift. As for global warming, the concept is
sound. However our direct measurement data set is small in comparison
to age of the earth. I also think knowing the direct results of global
warming is an unknown given the multitude of variables. As for
background, I'm an instrumental chemist. I've spent my entire career
running gc, lc, ms, nmr, ir, etc. I would like to think I know the
difference between accuracy, precision, resolution and uncertainty. It
literally is exactly what I do for a living, 13 years and counting not
including 6 years via university. And yes, both accuracy and precision
are regularly used terms.
Thanks Keller.
I agree wholeheartedly with your perspective as described above (and perhaps Homer might review your first sentence before insulting you by inference), and if truth be known I kind of chucked when I read Battery lecturing you on the topic of accuracy/calibration given your background.
Certainly reasonable people can argue about how much of an effect we're having on the global temperature, how normal or not normal it is, what to do about it, etc., but to deny that we are warming because of calibration issues (or accuracy/precision concerns) is simply ignorance speaking.
Where I got confused is resolution, accuracy and precision are tied to the instrument. Uncertainty is tied to the analyte. On a mass spectrometer phenthethyl alcohol, citronellol and ionone all have different uncertainty. However the mass resolution, accuracy and precision doesn't change. Uncertainty is also dependant on matrix, e.g. ethanol vs water vs pg.
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None of those concepts should be foreign to anyone with a scientific background or education, JCBCPA. That's not at all intended to be a hit or a judgement, but simply an observation and perhaps an explanation why some of us seem to be missing each other. I'm sure there are topics that you (and every one of us here) could discuss that would confuse others!
None of those concepts should be foreign to anyone with a scientific background or education, JCBCPA. That's not at all intended to be a hit or a judgement, but simply an observation and perhaps an explanation why some of us seem to be missing each other. I'm sure there are topics that you (and every one of us) could discuss that would confuse us too!
Absolutely. We all have our fields of expertise. For instance I know nothing about mechanical things. I can change oil in a car and that is pretty much it. Diversity is expertise among the populous is a wonderful thing.
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I think the measurements are not an issue. Thermometers aren't NMR or MS systems. Calibration and ISO 17025 on thermometers is an easy lift. As for global warming, the concept is sound. However our direct measurement data set is small in comparison to age of the earth. I also think knowing the direct results of global warming is an unknown given the multitude of variables.
tarp seems to think satellites read temperatures and then prove ground based thermometers (which don't need calibrating) are accurate. This is pretty laughable and shows a gross misunderstanding of satellite temperature measurement capabilities
It boils down to the data set, as you said and i've been saying. Tarp doesn't agree with this either, but its much too small to really say anything other then it seems to be hotter now than 140 years ago.
to link that to man made global warming/climate change then you are saying you could go back into the history of the earth, measured any 140 year period, and the temperature anonymity would be a flat zero.
Climate change cultists rave against those who point out cooler seasons or other weather related occurances that do not propagate their agenda but are quick do the exact same thing when a strong hurricane or other weather event takes place that does the opposite.
They are supreme hypocrites.
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Climate change cultists rave against those who point out cooler seasons or other weather related occurances that do not propagate their agenda but are quick do the exact same thing when a strong hurricane or other weather event takes place that does the opposite.
They are supreme hypocrites.
It is nothing more than a hoax on a global scale. Just a way to fleece the masses.
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Thing I don't understand ...and I'm no Scientist...But my House is 6 miles from the Coast and I have lot's of seashells about 6 to 10 ft' down. Think maybe the Efr cools off, Then the Erf warms up , Maybe sea levels have always risen and always receded , maybe way before Man ever showed up here . If I hold on to my House will it be waterfront in 2oo Thousand Years....winning...
Climate change cultists rave against those who point out cooler seasons or other weather related occurances that do not propagate their agenda but are quick do the exact same thing when a strong hurricane or other weather event takes place that does the opposite.
They are supreme hypocrites.
It is nothing more than a hoax on a global scale. Just a way to fleece the masses.
Climate change cultists rave against those who point out cooler seasons or other weather related occurances that do not propagate their agenda but are quick do the exact same thing when a strong hurricane or other weather event takes place that does the opposite.
They are supreme hypocrites.
this was the whole point of the original article. I found it funny how it was misinterpreted by some, who doing so actually proved its point.
It boils down to the data set, as you said and i've been saying. Tarp
doesn't agree with this either, but its much too small to really say
anything other then it seems to be hotter now than 140 years ago.
You seem to forget you've been saying it's a measurement problem -- you know, the part Keller shut you down on pretty quick. Why the sudden change of heart?
Now you seem to acknowledge that it "Seems to be hotter"? lol
I guess this is just a badly calibrated thermometers or satellites and those guys at NOAA don't have any idea what they're talking about either:
Date: December 11, 2018
Source: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Summary: NOAA's annual report card on the Arctic, released
today, shows that the Arctic region experienced the second-warmest air
temperatures ever recorded; the second-lowest overall sea-ice coverage;
lowest recorded winter ice in the Bering Sea; and earlier plankton
blooms due to early melting of sea ice in the Bering Sea.
Tarponator said: You seem to forget you've been saying it's a measurement problem -- you know, the part Keller shut you down on pretty quick. Why the sudden change of heart?
i've been pointing out your fallacy in your constant dribble about how calibration is not important.
and your assertion that satellite temps confirm ground based thermometers.
oh yea, and your inability to comprehend what the original article was addressing
seriously, its like you make up the other guys argument and then counter to that. You have a comprehension problem there.
I can read and understand better than you. I have the degree to prove it, and the industrial chemist who agrees, not to mention the NOAA and virtually every climate scientist in the world.
But please tell me again how you know better, pretend my first words on your the silly article were my entire understanding. It's entertaining if nothing else.
Unless you ask me directly a question, this is my last response to you on this topic, so go ahead and repeat yourself again while ignoring the operative question:
so please tarp.....use your Georgia Tech degree and explain how satellite temperature measurements don't rely on ground base thermometers for calibration but rather prove the ground base thermometers are correct.
BTW....i attended georia tech as well. But a degree without practice is just a piece of paper. Which you are illustrating quite well.
Warming is good, it will make a great breeding habitat for the next pandemic.
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I agree wholeheartedly with your perspective as described above (and perhaps Homer might review your first sentence before insulting you by inference), and if truth be known I kind of chucked when I read Battery lecturing you on the topic of accuracy/calibration given your background.
Certainly reasonable people can argue about how much of an effect we're having on the global temperature, how normal or not normal it is, what to do about it, etc., but to deny that we are warming because of calibration issues (or accuracy/precision concerns) is simply ignorance speaking.
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It boils down to the data set, as you said and i've been saying. Tarp doesn't agree with this either, but its much too small to really say anything other then it seems to be hotter now than 140 years ago.
to link that to man made global warming/climate change then you are saying you could go back into the history of the earth, measured any 140 year period, and the temperature anonymity would be a flat zero.
They are supreme hypocrites.
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Think maybe the Efr cools off, Then the Erf warms up , Maybe sea levels have always risen and always receded , maybe way before Man ever showed up here .
If I hold on to my House will it be waterfront in 2oo Thousand Years....winning...
and your assertion that satellite temps confirm ground based thermometers.
oh yea, and your inability to comprehend what the original article was addressing
seriously, its like you make up the other guys argument and then counter to that. You have a comprehension problem there.
I can read and understand better than you. I have the degree to prove it, and the industrial chemist who agrees, not to mention the NOAA and virtually every climate scientist in the world.
But please tell me again how you know better, pretend my first words on your the silly article were my entire understanding. It's entertaining if nothing else.
Unless you ask me directly a question, this is my last response to you on this topic, so go ahead and repeat yourself again while ignoring the operative question:
Where did you go to school again?
what a joke
so please tarp.....use your Georgia Tech degree and explain how satellite temperature measurements don't rely on ground base thermometers for calibration but rather prove the ground base thermometers are correct.
BTW....i attended georia tech as well. But a degree without practice is just a piece of paper. Which you are illustrating quite well.
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Listen to Al Gore and his ilk and do what he says. Don't be a science-denier.
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