Sentinelese Tribe

Resinhead

I can hunt, fish, grow food and protect what I have. I also have access to 600+ acres of camp that I know like the back of my hand. I'm pretty sure I would have a good chance to survive.

ferris1248

Resinhead said:

I can hunt, fish, grow food and protect what I have. I also have access to 600+ acres of camp that I know like the back of my hand. I'm pretty sure I would have a good chance to survive.

Not doubting your survival abilities but you need bullets, guns, and other modern accoutrements. All that disappears, they don't need any of it. 

Resinhead

I was commenting on your if the SHTF scenario.

Tarponator

cadman said:

Tarponator said:

cadman said:

Tarponator said:

What the Sentinelese really needed was a wall to keep the evangelical invaders out.  

I don't know, their method seems to work. Maybe we should adopt it. 

So did the Native Americans' method, until it didn't.   Perhaps they would be better off just converting like the suicidal evangelical wanted them to.

Maybe their God is the right God?

Which one?  

Perhaps we should pray for an answer.

ferris1248

Resinhead said:

I was commenting on your if the SHTF scenario.

I know. You going to MB this w/e?

Resinhead

Going tomorrow for the rest of the week.

ferris1248

  I'll buy you a beer Friday or Saturday evening if you'll drink it with me.

Turner River Terror

We should Invade them..sometimes you have to kill them to save them..

Resinhead

ferris1248 said:

  I'll buy you a beer Friday or Saturday evening if you'll drink it with me.

I'll drink with anyone. I'm nonpartisan until I find a reason to do otherwise.

I appreciate your offer but I need to be back in Tally Friday at 11 for a closing. Then taking my sons deer hunting in Faceville this weekend.

Mister-Jr

Turner River Terror said:

We should Invade them..sometimes you have to kill them to save them..

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stc1993

Mister-Jr said:

Turner River Terror said:

We should Invade them..sometimes you have to kill them to save them..

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Sarcasm Mr-jr.

Mister-Jr

stc1993 said:

Mister-Jr said:

Turner River Terror said:

We should Invade them..sometimes you have to kill them to save them..

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Sarcasm Mr-jr.

Why would I want to invade them?

 

Florida Bullfrog

Most people who live primitively want our better tools. Doesn’t mean they want us. But they take metal tools and modern clothes when they can. Even the Sentinelese are documented doing so. Its common sense. Metal and cloth do hand-to-mouth survival better than stone and vines.  

Florida Bullfrog

kellercl said:

Regardless if the natives are in the wrong.  This guy knew the natives were hostile to the point of killing people who step on their island...  and still he willingly went 3 times.  This was an IQ test and he failed.

I don’t necessarily disagree. That they may have immorally murdered him doesn’t mean he didn’t behave foolishly. Again, there’s actually commands in the Bible from Jesus about leaving people who are hostile to missionaries to their spiritual fates and letting them be, even to the point of leaving them to their damnation.

Florida Bullfrog

mindyabiness said:

Florida Bullfrog said:

cadman said:

You refuse to look at it from their perspective. You are looking at it from your view of the situation. In their view, he was an invader who was there to do them harm. 

So thought the Germans concerning a subset of their population... an alien invader there to do them harm. 

Now of course, we know there's such a thing as a tragic misunderstanding. And outstretched hand and a smile, that to the wrong culture might mean a call to war. A sandwich that looks like a gun. Peaceful gestures that in low light are misperceived as aggressive. But the evidence not only from this case but in previous killings points to a culture that simply wants to kill the "other". Trespass as punished by the death penalty similar to how a grizzly might kill an interloper that crosses into its territory or how an ancient Middle Eastern king might prescribe death to anyone who approaches the throne without first being summoned forward. We all know that many, many, human cultures have been that way throughout history and still are. This is one of them, that is only remarkable because it still lives with mostly Stone Age technology.

Let's assume that fear is their primary motivator. So it was for many oppressors in history who feared what the "other" would do if given the chance. Regardless, the pattern with these islanders seems to be that if one or two lone, unarmed people arrive, they kill them and display or bury them on the beach as a warning. If large groups of "others" arrive, the islanders instead go hide. They only confront and kill trespassers when he trespasser is unarmed and alone. Sounds consistent with predatory behavior instead of protective behavior. The larger groups would be the bigger threat if the islanders feared invasion, and those larger groups would be the ones to stand one's ground against no matter the odds to protect family. But they don't stand against the larger groups. They run away. 

Perhaps that is in accord with North Sentinel Island law. This is probably considered a sovereign nation by our laws as these are indigenous peoples.
Unless you know what constitutes right and wrong according to that way of life or law, you're just comparing their actions to the law as you know it and I don't see where that is relevant.

I’m not talking about law though. I’m talking about morality. If they have a culture that says murder is ok, then their culture is immoral in that regard. There is universal right and wrong that trumps arrogant human opinions. We recognize that fact every day every time we condemn racism, where some cultures such as the old South and the Third Reich embraced racism as morally acceptable and correct. Can’t have it both ways. You can’t appeal to a concerpt of overarching morality when its time to codemn the Germans or old Southerners for the racism they believed was morally acceptable by their own standards and then turn on the moral relativism when it comes to the people living on the island. 

dragon bait

this little island is their home, they were simply in fear for their lives and stood their ground

cadman

We have soldiers in the Middle East because we don't like a countries dictator. We are killing people we consider the enemy. We fear our enemies and must kill them.

We, as a nation, has killed to protect our property, well the property of a large fruit company and several oil companies over the years. 

These natives see those who come to their island as enemies. 

They are no more immoral than we are. 

ferris1248

Resinhead said:

ferris1248 said:

  I'll buy you a beer Friday or Saturday evening if you'll drink it with me.

I'll drink with anyone. I'm nonpartisan until I find a reason to do otherwise.

I appreciate your offer but I need to be back in Tally Friday at 11 for a closing. Then taking my sons deer hunting in Faceville this weekend.

Anytime. Got to go down and get one house demoed and the lot cleaned up on another.

surfman

Spaniards should have left the Malayans alone, those human sacrifices would be a real tourist attraction today.

dave44

Mayans? What was that soccer/football game they played with heads? There’s a sport!

Joe Mc

Florida Bullfrog said:

 All I can say is murder is still murder. One who murders a fool is still a murderer. 

Not if you do not know it is murder. Those are our standards not theirs. They were protecting their homeland.

treemanjohn

dragon bait said:

this little island is their home, they were simply in fear for their lives and stood their ground

I agree. They have an excellent immigration policy

Finfinder

It does seem weird this tribe is treated like an exhibit at the zoo.  

tankard

It would be funny to go storming in there with a .50 cal....

Got something for your bows and arrows, b****es!

tankard

Or just a MOAB.

dave44

Did I hear there were less than 20? Doesn’t that make them more of an inbred family than a tribe, maybe a clan?

stc1993

Wouldn't be nothing left of the island.

Tarponator

Florida Bullfrog said:

mindyabiness said:

Florida Bullfrog said:

cadman said:

You refuse to look at it from their perspective. You are looking at it from your view of the situation. In their view, he was an invader who was there to do them harm. 

So thought the Germans concerning a subset of their population... an alien invader there to do them harm. 

Now of course, we know there's such a thing as a tragic misunderstanding. And outstretched hand and a smile, that to the wrong culture might mean a call to war. A sandwich that looks like a gun. Peaceful gestures that in low light are misperceived as aggressive. But the evidence not only from this case but in previous killings points to a culture that simply wants to kill the "other". Trespass as punished by the death penalty similar to how a grizzly might kill an interloper that crosses into its territory or how an ancient Middle Eastern king might prescribe death to anyone who approaches the throne without first being summoned forward. We all know that many, many, human cultures have been that way throughout history and still are. This is one of them, that is only remarkable because it still lives with mostly Stone Age technology.

Let's assume that fear is their primary motivator. So it was for many oppressors in history who feared what the "other" would do if given the chance. Regardless, the pattern with these islanders seems to be that if one or two lone, unarmed people arrive, they kill them and display or bury them on the beach as a warning. If large groups of "others" arrive, the islanders instead go hide. They only confront and kill trespassers when he trespasser is unarmed and alone. Sounds consistent with predatory behavior instead of protective behavior. The larger groups would be the bigger threat if the islanders feared invasion, and those larger groups would be the ones to stand one's ground against no matter the odds to protect family. But they don't stand against the larger groups. They run away. 

Perhaps that is in accord with North Sentinel Island law. This is probably considered a sovereign nation by our laws as these are indigenous peoples.
Unless you know what constitutes right and wrong according to that way of life or law, you're just comparing their actions to the law as you know it and I don't see where that is relevant.

I’m not talking about law though. I’m talking about morality. If they have a culture that says murder is ok, then their culture is immoral in that regard. There is universal right and wrong that trumps arrogant human opinions. We recognize that fact every day every time we condemn racism, where some cultures such as the old South and the Third Reich embraced racism as morally acceptable and correct. Can’t have it both ways. You can’t appeal to a concerpt of overarching morality when its time to codemn the Germans or old Southerners for the racism they believed was morally acceptable by their own standards and then turn on the moral relativism when it comes to the people living on the island. 

That's an interesting angle, Bullfrog, and one I'll have to give some more thought to.  However, i'm not so quick to declare sovereignty and moral relativism as mutually exclusive.

surfman

Some people are willing to accept some really crazy stuff as normal.

Billy No Mates

tankard said:

It would be funny to go storming in there with a .50 cal....

Yea that would be hilarious to kill a bunch of people for no reason. Totally awesome dude!