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frankfrank Posts: 13,292 AG
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1 & 2 no, if we put these off on business again, it's not going to be good
#3 - he!! No, it's the legislatures role to pass laws, why else elect them, they should do their jobs
4 - Yes, but why not murderers if they served their time,?
5 - Yes, especially the no baggage part
6 - No, victims rights should be addressed, but not with the smorgasbord amendment
7 - Mulling still
9 - No, can't have an ultimatum like that
10 - geez louise another smorgasbord, no
11 - Yes, removal rocks
12 - Sure heh heh
13 - Mulling still

What say you?

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  • cadmancadman Home of the Gators Posts: 33,444 AG
    edited October 2018 #2
    1 no
    2 yes (you may want to reread this one)
    3 no
    4 no, wait until the court case is appeal and let the legislature deal with it. 
    5 no (what baggage, this one is about taxes)
    6 no it is a bundled amendment
    7 no I have no issue with the first responder part, but the rest is too much. Why bundling amendments?
    9 no, another bundled amendment. 
    10) No, another bundled amendment. 
    11) no another bundled amendment
    12) yes
    13) yes

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    I am just here for my amusement. 

  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 11,665 AG
    Just say no!!
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • frankfrank Posts: 13,292 AG
    Just say no!!
    What fun is that?
  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 17,011 AG
    edited October 2018 #5
    WTH is up with the silly bundling?  I think we should offer an amendment that prohibits multi-issue amendments.

    FWIW, here is how I voted and my thoughts on each:
    1. No, we don't need more of a tax break for home ownership, it's already in place, and there's no reason to dig the financial hole of such a funding decrease.
    2. Yes, because I think there should be some limit to tax increases.
    3. Yes, the decision over gambling should be as it was, rather than in the hands of politicians in Tallahassee as it has recently become.
    4. Yes.  If a person has paid their debt to society, they should be able to express their right to vote.  Frankly, I think the amendment hasn't gone far enough, but I'm OK with this as a good compromise.
    5. Yes, but similar to the last issue, I don't think it's gone far enough.  There should be 2/3rds majority for changes to taxes in either direction, IMO.
    6. No.  While I do think that victims rights are important, probably more than most, this was a poor attempt an encoding them.
    7. No, these issues are better left to the normal lawmaking process.
    8. There is no 8.
    9. No, but I really was tempted because I like the idea of no oil drilling.  
    10. No. Although I liked pieces of it, another unnecessary bundle and just not good as a whole.
    11. No. Again, a bundle that I liked a piece of (prohibit retroactive changes), but not enough to override the other parts.
    12. Yes.  Again, it doesn't go nearly far enough, but would be a move to limit the power of politicians and lobbying groups and the revolving door between them.
    13. No.  Let the market decide.  

    For those not well educated on the issues, here's a fair explanation of them:  http://www.floridaleagueofcities.com/docs/default-source/advocacy/summary-of-2018-constitutional-amendments.pdf?sfvrsn=5979d9d5_0


  • mustang190mustang190 Posts: 10,104 AG
    I vote NO  on all amendments. 
    The legislature uses this amendment process to shirk their responsibility. A controversial subject is just tossed to the voters so they can be to blame when things go south. 
    Class size amendment comes to mind. 
  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 12,913 AG
    Glad to see Nos on #3.  It's a blatent first step in removing forms of gambling, not power to the people.

    Captain Todd Approves

  • tagtag Posts: 8,920 Admiral
    I'm voting no on all bundled amendments.
  • Tarpon MonoxideTarpon Monoxide Posts: 566 Officer
    edited October 2018 #9
    "1 & 2 no, if we put these off on business again, it's not going to be good"

    You have it right on 1 to vote no, you have it wrong to vote no on 2.

    The property tax cap on homesteaded property is 3% a year, but non-homesteaded property is capped until January 1, 2019 at 10% a year.

    A "NO" vote on 2 will remove the 10% cap on non-homesteaded property and non-homesteaded property tax increases will have no yearly cap. This can lead to much larger yearly increases than 10% in non-homesteaded property tax that will be passed on from the landlord to the tenant.

    If the non-homesteaded property tax cap comes off that can set up a situation that will be detrimental to the renters some of who can barely afford rent now. Frank if you vote NO on 2 you will be unfairly hurting the very people you claim to want to help.

    10% a year allows for the fair rise in non-homesteaded property tax but a larger not capped increase like 20% or 30% would only be passed on to the tenant.

    So as it stands Frank if you vote no on 2 you will be in favor of passing to the tenant any large increases in the rent to cover the large increase in non-homesteaded property tax.

    Frank your no vote if passed will put #2 off on the tenants many who can barely afford to pay rent now, it is not going to be fair for the people you claim to want to help.

    Vote yes on 2 for fairness.

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  • Fish HaidFish Haid Posts: 8,417 Admiral
    We have enough laws already.  No new ones, and start getting rid of old ones.
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  • sailfish2sailfish2 Posts: 4,318 Captain
    no
    repeat for all...
    Hoping for better luck next time...... and got it.

    WINNING!
  • nuevowavonuevowavo Posts: 6,823 Admin
    Yes on 2
    No on the rest, although I'm on the fence on 4
    3 is backed by Disney and the Seminoles - they don't want anyone else to have casinos
    And why would you bundle offshore drilling with workplace vaping?
    Federales, bring my baby back to me!
  • dave44dave44 Posts: 11,788 AG
    edited October 2018 #13
    Politicians like doing things like that. It allows them to say they offered it and the state voted for, or against it. And they act like it was a stand alone item.
         Depends on what the current agenda is, I guess.
  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 12,913 AG
    nuevowavo said:

    3 is backed by Disney and the Seminoles - they don't want anyone else to have casinos

    I knew it was fishy when I saw the commercial "just like Texas, California, etc".  Sounded like why don't do X because they do in Europe.

    Captain Todd Approves

  • Florida BullfrogFlorida Bullfrog Posts: 3,539 Captain
    Vote “no” on 6. Victims already have statutory rights in Florida. Some of the “rights” being discussed from this amendment will conflict with Federal Constitutional rights of the accused. For instance, victims will receive a right to demand speedy trial. That will conflict with Defendants’ rights concerning their own speedy trials or conversely taking time to prepare their defenses. The Defendant’s rights will win on appeal every time and will cause many convictions to be overturned once these victim rights start being asserted. 

    Ultimately, victims shouldn’t be in the driver’s seat on legal decisions in prosecutions. They don’t know the law or how to prosecute a case. 
  • frankfrank Posts: 13,292 AG
    Someone told me that in six there is something to the effect that death row inmates could only be there five years, have you seen that?
  • Westwall01Westwall01 Posts: 5,453 Admiral
    WTH is up with the silly bundling?  I think we should offer an amendment that prohibits multi-issue amendments.




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  • conchydongconchydong Pompano BeachPosts: 7,425 Admiral
    edited October 2018 #18
    What does vaping have to do with oil drilling? I may be in the minority but I wouldn't mind oil rigs in deeper federal waters. It will keep us less dependent on the A holes in the middle east and might attract some more fish. I would love to see a consistent Yellowfin fishery off of Florida. I also like Greyhound racing. It is the only form of gambling that I ever had any luck at.

    “Everyone behaves badly--given the chance.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  • frankfrank Posts: 13,292 AG
    offshore wind mills would also serve that purpose 
    but I’m voting no on the offshore drilling ban because well technology is always improving and an ultimatum on drilling should not be part of our constitution 
    imo 
  • Florida BullfrogFlorida Bullfrog Posts: 3,539 Captain
    edited October 2018 #20
    frank said:
    Someone told me that in six there is something to the effect that death row inmates could only be there five years, have you seen that?
    Yes. Page 17 of the official amendment list, subsection 10, of the actual text of the amendment. The idea is to speed up the appeals process so that people don’t drag their cases out. I like the sound of that in principle, but in practical application the state would have to massively expand the appellate court system to grind thru appeals faster. That’s money I don’t think the state has. So assuming the appellate courts don’t get a massive expansion, the civil caseload will have to be shelved to give priority to criminal cases. The state would also have to throw massive amounts of money at state attorney’s offices to comply with some of the new victim requirements (although note that most of the “rights” for victims are already conferred and SAOs already comply with them). 

    I’m most concerned about some of the more vague provisions that allow victims or attorneys on victims’ behalf to interject themselves thruout the process to make demands of various kinds of production, as well ad provisions that sound like victims get to dictate to the SAO and the courts what happens with the case. Those provisions are going to be lawsuit city for private attorneys looking to play gotya games for money. 


  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 12,913 AG
    I think I am just going to vote straight NO on all of them.  They come up with theses amendments and then run ads that paint a picture to invoke emotions that make us want to support them.  The commercial subjects may not even have much to do with the amendment.  And we the people do not have time to study these amendments and know what they are truly about, that's why we elect people. 

    I've been duped before .  An amendment to a state constitution that was supposed to give sportsman rights and funds.   They ended up using a lot of money for the arts.  F'n shell game.   Just like the lotto which a % of the funds were supposed to go to the outdoors, that's how it was sold. Then it changed.  I just don't trust these amendments.   They actually feel like a good way to circumvent the legislature and get people to vote for things they regret later when the truth comes out.

    Captain Todd Approves

  • I think your on to something there.
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • frankfrank Posts: 13,292 AG
    What’s a shame is that as Florida Bulldog pointed out, the entire wording of the amendment is not on the ballot for space reasons (?) so unless you look them up online or at your local elections office you don’t know their entirety 
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,592 AG
    Propositions are a form of direct democracy which violates the intent of having a representative government. Vote no on all. Hold representatives responsible for running government.
  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 12,913 AG
    I'd like to vote for 13 if it were actually about closing dog tracks. 

    Captain Todd Approves

  • MRichardsonMRichardson Posts: 10,447 AG
    Propositions are a form of direct democracy which violates the intent of having a representative government. Vote no on all. Hold representatives responsible for running government.
    Not if the gov't doesn't represent. 
    Our state legislature is not influenced by the constituency nearly as much as by the development, agriculture, pharmaceutical and tourism lobbies.  So we have another option.  Used to feel the same way you do, but then I saw Tallahassee up close and personal.
    I have never seen live bones, but I know that they are often used by rich people to decorate the interior.
  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 12,913 AG
    Propositions are a form of direct democracy which violates the intent of having a representative government. Vote no on all. Hold representatives responsible for running government.
    Not if the gov't doesn't represent. 
    Our state legislature is not influenced by the constituency nearly as much as by the development, agriculture, pharmaceutical and tourism lobbies.  So we have another option.  Used to feel the same way you do, but then I saw Tallahassee up close and personal.
    Who do you think pushes these Amendments onto the ballot?

    Captain Todd Approves

  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 17,011 AG
    edited October 2018 #28
    For those of you not aware of the process to amend the Florida constitution:  https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/laws-rules/constitutional-amendments/

    In short, either the people, the legislature, or two nominated committees can propose amendments that are then voted on by voters.
  • MRichardsonMRichardson Posts: 10,447 AG
    What he said
    I have never seen live bones, but I know that they are often used by rich people to decorate the interior.
  • mplspugmplspug Palmetto FloridaPosts: 12,913 AG
    Who are the people?  Your neighbors?  Folks?

    Captain Todd Approves

  • TarponatorTarponator Under a BridgePosts: 17,011 AG
    edited October 2018 #31
    The ones who are enemies of the press, of course!  :)

    No, silly, the ones described here:  https://dos.myflorida.com/media/697659/initiative-petition-handbook-2018-election-cycle-eng.pdf

    Have a nice weekend, MPLS.
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